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The endings I've read in the script. Kinda suck, but meh... Whatever. It'll do, I guess.

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MegaBadExample wrote...

The endings I've read in the script. Kinda suck, but meh... Whatever. It'll do, I guess.


hey walters is alot better than diez.. like i said it could alway be worse.


( not saying mac is a bad writter) just making a example

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Total Biscuit wrote...

Billions of people are dead, civilisations are left so badly damaged or flat out ended that no one is going to be singing Happy Happy Joy Joy by the end credits. Although 'Earth is surprisingly fine' does seem to be a reward for getting enough war assets, I think.

No, it's the overal ME universe that really suffers. The 1st and 3rd endings I mention kill the ME universe effectively, we won't be able to get a game anything like these from a sequel based on those endings, and the second really isn't going to solve anything, and looks like the ending most likely to prevent any happy ever after with your chosen LI.


why would you post this?


I feel better after reading this, Human survival is the most important outcome from my 200 hundred hours gameplayImage IPB

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Chewin3 wrote...

Total Biscuit wrote...Which is probably the root of the problem; these endings seem to be aimed squarely at the people who don't like Mass Effect. Everyone who's whinged and moaned and wanted grim dam misery's being rewarded, while those of us who have loved the way it's played out so far, loved the fact you can get everyone out of the suicide mission alive, or can generally just act like an awesome hero, the fans who just love ME for being ME, are getting shafted.

I don't see how an ending what you are referring to automatically means that the endings are aimed at people who don't like ME.
And you shouldn't speak of the majority when it comes to "fairy tail" endings. Sure, there should be a possibilty for people who want that, but personally I found the idea ludicrous, considering the circumstances we are in. But as I said, that's my personal opinion.

Actually the majority of people (80%+) really do prefer overwhelmingly happy endings, as every study done into people's taste in fiction I've ever seen has shown. Even amongst miserably angsty teens, the percentage who like downer endings is only a couple above adults, and less than 10%.

And I personally don't want a sunshine and butterflies ending, where everyone's fine and Shepard rides off on a unicorn made of wishes to live happily ever after. I want a hard won victory that I know I had to work my arse off to earn, but I still want to end knowing I won, and saved the galaxy.
Mass effect is a series built on choice, to deny the majority of casual players the ending they'd like is bad enough, but to force everyone to only have endings that kick you square in the bollocks and force you  to feel unsatisfied and miserable just to appeal to the small number of vocal complainers is enough to ruin the entire series, even if it was awesome up to that moment.

Modifié par Total Biscuit, 03 février 2012 - 11:22 .


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DJBare wrote...

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If those endings are set in stone and no amount of side questing will help, then that's bulls***. That's all I'll say until I've actually gone through the game once.

- If Garrus isn't standing with me on piles of burning Reaper corpses at the end, then it sucks. That is all.

Then I suggest you brace yourself, I don't think we are coming out of this fight without loss, and I think Bioware are certainly going to be targeting LI's, they are gong to be pushing Shepards resolve to the limit, at least I hope they are, this is desperate last stand and should be reflected as such.


Nah, Garrus is my bro. If Ashley & Garrus aren't standing with me, etc. etc.

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The only concern I have about those endings if they're accurate, is they seem to be geared towards perhaps leaving the Reapers around and alive for future game series against them.

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There's multiple endings to ME3, so there's no telling. At this point I don't care how they chose to end it (Shepard dies, Reapers win, Humans/Galaxy barely wins, Stalemate)... I just want to finish the story.

The only time I'd be angry with an ending is if it didn't make sense (like Paragon favoritism).

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I can't wait until the mods see some of the spoiler posts ITT, they're going to have kittens. I foresee possible bans being handed out. I'm in no rage over reading them, but I'm not a mod.

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Icinix wrote...

The only concern I have about those endings if they're accurate, is they seem to be geared towards perhaps leaving the Reapers around and alive for future game series against them.


Agreed, if the Reapers aren't destroyed by the time the credits roll I will be extremely disappointed. 

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True Zarken wrote...

Icinix wrote...

The only concern I have about those endings if they're accurate, is they seem to be geared towards perhaps leaving the Reapers around and alive for future game series against them.


Agreed, if the Reapers aren't destroyed by the time the credits roll I will be extremely disappointed. 


Pretty much the same - I might be content with how choices affected the game or whatever - but there will be that disappointment hanging over it.

I don't care if two thirds of the galaxy is wiped out - as long as I know, that at least in one ending - the Reapers are wiped out - and the vast majority of races can still live on and rebuild - knowing that the Reapers will never EVER be a threat again.

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Because its the last in the trilogy I'm hoping on multiple endings.
I can live with disliking one of them.

But if there is no way to kill the reapers off for good, I'll admit to being a little angry.

Modifié par Fossa_, 03 février 2012 - 11:55 .


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I don't really want the 'perfect ending'. My first ME2 playthrough, everyone survived the suicide mission and it just felt unrealistic. I'd considered sabotaging subsequent playthroughs and getting a couple of squadmates killed just for drama, but then I'd probably miss out on content in ME3. I'm hoping that a few characters DO die, the galaxy gets pretty significantly wrecked and and it actually feels like a war.

As for the spoilers - I haven't read the leak besides one dialogue between two squadmates that my mate thought was amusing. I read Biscuit's post however, and you know, it probably isn't as bad as it sounds. I'm sure the context of the entire game will justify the ending. Don't freak out until you've played it.

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HadesNexus wrote...

I don't really want the 'perfect ending'. My first ME2 playthrough, everyone survived the suicide mission and it just felt unrealistic. I'd considered sabotaging subsequent playthroughs and getting a couple of squadmates killed just for drama, but then I'd probably miss out on content in ME3. I'm hoping that a few characters DO die, the galaxy gets pretty significantly wrecked and and it actually feels like a war.

As for the spoilers - I haven't read the leak besides one dialogue between two squadmates that my mate thought was amusing. I read Biscuit's post however, and you know, it probably isn't as bad as it sounds. I'm sure the context of the entire game will justify the ending. Don't freak out until you've played it.


So when we do play it and aren't impressed, what do you say then?Image IPB

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If they pull a lol reapers didn't really die

mass effect 4

then i will rage

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Gabey5 wrote...

If they pull a lol reapers didn't really die

mass effect 4

then i will rage


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I know BioWare said they changed things in Mass Effect 3 after receiving a lot of backlash on the leak (which I'm only aware of is three endings, basically deus ex machina button pressing to choose either one, the Reapers' motivations are shoddy and even in the "perfect ending", the Reapers win.) but what I'm concerned about is this.

Are those parts of the leak still in the game or did BioWare listen and give us a much more satisfying pay off? They've listened to fans after ME1 and made some big improvements in ME2 (though that's a matter of perception) and have since shown some bigger improvements in ME3 after receiving feedback. Was the rage on the leak mostly about the ending and are BioWare acting on that? If I can just have that matter put to rest, then I won't be skeptical.

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Total Biscuit wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

Total Biscuit wrote...Which is probably the root of the problem; these endings seem to be aimed squarely at the people who don't like Mass Effect. Everyone who's whinged and moaned and wanted grim dam misery's being rewarded, while those of us who have loved the way it's played out so far, loved the fact you can get everyone out of the suicide mission alive, or can generally just act like an awesome hero, the fans who just love ME for being ME, are getting shafted.

I don't see how an ending what you are referring to automatically means that the endings are aimed at people who don't like ME.
And you shouldn't speak of the majority when it comes to "fairy tail" endings. Sure, there should be a possibilty for people who want that, but personally I found the idea ludicrous, considering the circumstances we are in. But as I said, that's my personal opinion.

Actually the majority of people (80%+) really do prefer overwhelmingly happy endings, as every study done into people's taste in fiction I've ever seen has shown. Even amongst miserably angsty teens, the percentage who like downer endings is only a couple above adults, and less than 10%.

And I personally don't want a sunshine and butterflies ending, where everyone's fine and Shepard rides off on a unicorn made of wishes to live happily ever after. I want a hard won victory that I know I had to work my arse off to earn, but I still want to end knowing I won, and saved the galaxy.
Mass effect is a series built on choice, to deny the majority of casual players the ending they'd like is bad enough, but to force everyone to only have endings that kick you square in the bollocks and force you  to feel unsatisfied and miserable just to appeal to the small number of vocal complainers is enough to ruin the entire series, even if it was awesome up to that moment.


The majority of the BSN are a bunch of vocal complainers.  Excuse my writing, I just woke up a little while ago. 

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Last Vizard wrote...

HadesNexus wrote...

I don't really want the 'perfect ending'. My first ME2 playthrough, everyone survived the suicide mission and it just felt unrealistic. I'd considered sabotaging subsequent playthroughs and getting a couple of squadmates killed just for drama, but then I'd probably miss out on content in ME3. I'm hoping that a few characters DO die, the galaxy gets pretty significantly wrecked and and it actually feels like a war.

As for the spoilers - I haven't read the leak besides one dialogue between two squadmates that my mate thought was amusing. I read Biscuit's post however, and you know, it probably isn't as bad as it sounds. I'm sure the context of the entire game will justify the ending. Don't freak out until you've played it.


So when we do play it and aren't impressed, what do you say then?Image IPB


I'm not saying that I am going to love the ending with absolute certainty - who knows, maybe I'll loathe it - but I'd rather play the whole game and see everything in context before I make any decision about whether it was a good way of capping off the trilogy.  If you play the game and still hate the ending then at least you'll be able to back up your opinion with a well-rounded knowledge of the other circumstances of the plot, rather than it being a knee-jerk reaction to what may be incomplete information.

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roflchoppaz wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

If they pull a lol reapers didn't really die

mass effect 4

then i will rage


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"Shepard gave his life, the lives of most of his species and half the galaxy to kill the reapers"

"Now their back with a VENGENCE"

Mass Effect 4: Reapers Revenge

This time its personal

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Gabey5 wrote...

"Shepard gave his life, the lives of most of his species and half the galaxy to kill the reapers"

"Now their back with a VENGENCE"

Mass Effect 4: Reapers Revenge

This time its personal


The only way I would accept that is if Morgan Freeman says it. If not I will cry :mellow:

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HadesNexus wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

HadesNexus wrote...

I don't really want the 'perfect ending'. My first ME2 playthrough, everyone survived the suicide mission and it just felt unrealistic. I'd considered sabotaging subsequent playthroughs and getting a couple of squadmates killed just for drama, but then I'd probably miss out on content in ME3. I'm hoping that a few characters DO die, the galaxy gets pretty significantly wrecked and and it actually feels like a war.

As for the spoilers - I haven't read the leak besides one dialogue between two squadmates that my mate thought was amusing. I read Biscuit's post however, and you know, it probably isn't as bad as it sounds. I'm sure the context of the entire game will justify the ending. Don't freak out until you've played it.


So when we do play it and aren't impressed, what do you say then?Image IPB


I'm not saying that I am going to love the ending with absolute certainty - who knows, maybe I'll loathe it - but I'd rather play the whole game and see everything in context before I make any decision about whether it was a good way of capping off the trilogy.  If you play the game and still hate the ending then at least you'll be able to back up your opinion with a well-rounded knowledge of the other circumstances of the plot, rather than it being a knee-jerk reaction to what may be incomplete information.


Of course, its just that it sorta reminds me of a certain DA2 where everyone yelled at me "wait and see" and I saw,  not saying that ME3 will be that bad or even bad overall however the BSN people sitting on their high horse calling others whingers and such were attacking me and others for doubting DA2 team.

Nothing wrong with doubting Devs, infact I encourage people to doubt everything you hear especially from governments.

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Could someone PM me the endings?

I is curious.

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Normally a trilogy is like a tower, you start by constructing the foundations with the first third of the story. Then you keep building on top of what you already have with the following two thirds of the story, finishing the tower this way. It's logic to assume you already have a plan of how the construction will work, and what type of environment/situations you're dealing with.

All this discussion just gives me a reason to believe Bioware didn't think this through.
Why the **** does it look like they start over with each game, instead of just continuing from the pre-established work? It doesn't look like they knew where they were headed, Mass Effect is just a big improvisation.

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Comments withdrawn. Still holding out hope...

Modifié par Kasen13, 03 février 2012 - 07:01 .


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Khran1505 wrote...

I know BioWare said they changed things in Mass Effect 3 after receiving a lot of backlash on the leak (which I'm only aware of is three endings, basically deus ex machina button pressing to choose either one, the Reapers' motivations are shoddy and even in the "perfect ending", the Reapers win.) but what I'm concerned about is this.

Are those parts of the leak still in the game or did BioWare listen and give us a much more satisfying pay off? They've listened to fans after ME1 and made some big improvements in ME2 (though that's a matter of perception) and have since shown some bigger improvements in ME3 after receiving feedback. Was the rage on the leak mostly about the ending and are BioWare acting on that? If I can just have that matter put to rest, then I won't be skeptical.

  


so far reading the previews the leaked script is the same one thats in the game .