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[wright1978]

My main Shepherd despises the Alliance now. I'm clinging to Casey's words that you can roleplay against the Alliance.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Yes. He should be in charge of Cerberus. The Systems Alliance is too weak.

*insert dramatic badass political speech here*

[seirhart]

I'll sacrifce the alliance in a heartbeat to save the human colonies that refuse to be part of the alliance and to save the rest of the galaxy

[turian councilor Knockout]

Screw the alliance i just hope we can go to war with the shadow broker ship:)

[CptData]

Shinobu wrote...

For those of you who relish being reinstated, a hypothetical question: if Admiral Mikhailovich comes on board the Normandy and orders your Shep to clear out the aliens (or some other nonsensical thing of your choice), would you do it? Or would you politely show him the airlock?

As long as the Alliance doesn't mess with my Shepard's team and gives her useful things to do, no problem. But if they hamper the war effort with political BS she's taking off with her squad.

Doubt Mikhailovich is going to do that in ME3. But just in case he does: get off my ship!
Oh, and my Shep will pull his Spectre card.

Loyal towards the Alliance? Yes. 
Loyal towards Admiral Hackett? Yes, since he didn't turn his back on Shepard in ME2.
Loyal towards Admiral Anderson? Yes, since he's a good friend and mentor.
Loyal towards Rear Admiral Mikhailovich? Unless he f*cks with my team, he's okay.

'nuff said.

[Ieldra]

I agree somewhat with the OP's sentiment. My main Shepard doesn't feel any particular loyalty to the Alliance, and I wish I can express that in the game in a way that has consequences. He's grown beyond any particular faction and can see merit in the Alliance, Cerberus or other factions but he can't be loyal to any one any more.

However, he is loyal to humanity, *and* his priority is to stop the Reapers. As in ME2 with Cerberus, he'll do what it takes and ally with whomever will help in order to do that (even the krogan. Which is *really* galling).

So for now he's playing nice with the Alliance. What I'd ultimately wish for is an organization with Cerberus' drive for advancing humanity and pushing the envelope in science and technology without the attached atrocities. If ME3 gives me an end where this kind of thinking emerges pre-emiment and Shepard and LI have a reasonably happy end, then it's very much OK for me. Whether the Alliance changes its stance or moderate remnants of Cerberus come to gain influence, I'm not stuck on names.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 février 2012 - 10:14 .

[Stardusk78]

It's not about Shepard being a god, it's about him having done more than just about any individual to protect the galaxy and yet you still need to kowtow to Alliance knobs.

[Arbitorius]

Han Shot First wrote...

Great post Arbitorious, and Semper Fidelis.

Well said, on all counts.

Oorah, man. Thanks for the compliment

Han Shot First wrote...

Drone223 wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

To clarify, I'm not saying Shepard ought to be 100% Alliance-loyal or anything and really, he'll probably be very much independent and in charge of the show in ME3 despite whatever his "official" ties are.


All I'm saying is that of all reasons for one not to want to work for the Alliance, the mentality of "I'm THEE Shepard, I shouldn't have to answer to anyone!" is one that's completely out-of-touch because up to this point, he has NOT done it all by himself (as many would like to think). And with an even tougher enemy on the way in ME3, there's no reason to think he will now either.

If you really think that Shepard needs no ties to any organized military group or high-ranking political figures/military leaders to defeat the Reapers, you're pretty much putting Shepard on demi-god status.

People as usual have huge ego's about Shepard

People forget that Shepard isn't dragonborn, or a Jedi, or some other mystical or magical human being with powers beyond mere mortals.

I don't know, man. My biotics are ****in' top notch. Come on, L5n, oorah!

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AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO LIKES THE ALLIANCE?!

Here is my reasoning for it.

I know a lot of you are civilians, but you have to understand loyalty is a hard thing to break.

Some points to put out, related to various comments in this thread:

1) The Alliance did not abandon Shepard. Remember, Cerberus got there first, and took his body for the Lazerus Project. The Alliance did go search the wreckage of the Normandy SR1, and they retrieved as many bodies as they could. That's how they confirmed the deaths of military personnel such as Navigator Pressley. So to be disloyal to the Alliance because you think they left him behind is a little bogus

2) There is no reason to hate the Alliance in favor of the human colonies in the Terminus Systems. Reason? Look at what the Alliance was doing on Horizon in ME2. Ops Chief Williams was there attempting to install anti-air defense cannons to PROTECT the colonies, and foster better relations with them (human affairs ****...not really my thing. I was a Tanker in the Corps). The Alliance isn't some gargantuan political power seeking to gain power for itself and screw everybody else. REMEMBER, your decisions in ME1 can determine how the Alliance is perceived by the council races, as well as non-council races like Krogan, Drell, Batarians, Quarians, etc etc etc. Especially that interview scene. I made the mistake of making the Alliance look like a bunch of asses by using the red renegade speech options. I won't ever do that again should I play through ME1 again. The Alliance is a collaboration of countries from the planet Earth that gained a lot of power so became a national face for humanity. They seek to be on good terms with the Council, and expand its colonies, and they do go to great lengths to protect their colonies, and later in ME2, even Terminus Systems colonies, ones independant from the Alliance. So in conclussion, they are a super power just looking to stomp on the little guys

3) Point 3 is a reason why I think Shepard (at least...MY Shepard) wouldn't hate the Alliance - he's a military man to the core. Every starting option has him enlisting at a young age. ENLISTING. He started as a Private, a paygrade of E1. And now he's an O4, a Lieutenant Commander. That's 12 ranks higher. As Earthborn he enlists to get away from gangs, as Colonist his family is killed on Mindeor (wrong spelling, sorry), and as a Spacer, his parents were military. I have strong connections to the military through family, so I know what it's like (I regret being out of the actual Corps). I could never betray the Corps were I in a position like Shepard.

4) The Alliance didn't betray Shepard in ME2. They wouldn't support him, and instances occured like Ambassador/Admiral Anderson not being able to tell him about Ops Chief Williams because he was working with/for Cerberus, a splinter cell (I don't know if you all ever read the Codex entries or did as many side quests as I did, but Cerberus used to be an Alliance funded reasearch project). At that point in time, Shepard was faced with defeating the Collectors. He did not have a choice but to work with or for Cerberus, so the Alliance COULDN'T trust him. It's a chain of command thing. It just wasn't allowed. It would be like if a soldier in the US Army was in the Intelligence MOS field, and then joined a contracting company. Say America gets attacked, and that intel soldier was some sort of war hero. he can't just walk back in and say "i'm here to help, tell me classified information". He's working for a PMC now, he doesn't rate that information or knowledge. Nor would he rate support from the Army. He would only rate support from his company, whether he wanted to work for them or not, he would have a job to do.

5) Remember why the Alliance was formed - to protect human colonies during the First Contact War agains the Turians. Well, it gained a lot of power at that time at least. They aren't bad. Yes, there are beaurocratic morons involved, like Udina, but that doesn't mean that the military side is bad. Look at all the honorable soldiers serving in the Alliance: Ashley Williams, Anderson, Pressley, Joker, Hackett, Chief William's family, Shepard's family if you were a Spacer. In war, politics and military might do not mix, and I would assume that there is no negotiating with a Reaper anyway...so in Mass Effect 3...

I will be there to serve the Alliance as an Alliance N7 Marine Sentinel. OORAH!

sorry for the long post

[Arbitorius]

last point of interest:

THE ALLIANCE *NEEDS* SHEPARD. HE HAS EXPERIENCE AGAINST THE REAPERS, THE GETH, THE COLLECTORS. HE IS A MEDAL OF HONOR RECIPIENT, AND A WAR HERO. HE IS THE FIRST HUMAN SPECTRE.

If nothing else...Shepard is an icon that troops can rally behind in the coming struggle against the Reapers. See you all on multiplayer

*whipsers* i'll be running a Turian named Arbitorius. I am so pumped

[Drone223]

@Arbitorious

I like this human he/she understands

[Arbitorius]

ALL PRAISE THE HUMAN WHO UNDERSTANDS!!

It's he, by the way

lol, thanks man. Found this forum right after bootcamp and just re-found. I had forgotten how awesome it is

Modifié par Arbitorius, 03 février 2012 - 11:00 .

[Sgt Bilko]

@Arbitorious

Nice post, i agree completely

[Labrev]

Stardusk78 wrote...

It's not about Shepard being a god, it's about him having done more than just about any individual to protect the galaxy and yet you still need to kowtow to Alliance knobs.

You miss the point.

1.) Nothing that he's done up to this point in the series was done without a large amount of help from authority above him. The council gave him his leads in ME1, and TIM did all the planning for him in ME2. He's proven very much the opposite of independent to date.
2.) I don't buy that the Alliance will have any more than minimal command over him in ME3, if even that. Seems to me that he's calling all the shots from the moment Anderson reinstates him.

[Funkcase]

He needs a ship, resources, a crew, ect. He needs the Alliance or any military organisation.

[Stardusk78]

Why exactly is the VS elevated to Spectre status?

[WhiteKnyght]

Stardusk78 wrote...

I just find the Alliance such a limiting organisation. Sure for the VS, it makes sense but Shepard is beyond that, he is about getting the job done with whatever resources he might have at hand, not going through Alliance orders to get his business done. It's kind of annoying that he even NEEDS to go back to Earth in this regard.

The Alliance is the human government, not an organization.

Also considering the tensions between humans and batarians, it's likely that the Alliance would bring Shepard in one way or another just to avoid a war with them. Not to mention if  the Citadel council found out that Shepard was really on a covert mission at the request of Admiral Hackett, humanity could lose their seat on the Council.

What I'm curious about is how anybody knows that it was Shepard who caused the incident. Arguably anybody who saw his face and could identify him was killed and the only people who knew are the Normandy crew and Admiral Hackett.

So my guess is that Hackett made Shepard the lamb of the slaughter to save his own ass, or Shepard has a traitor in his ranks.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 03 février 2012 - 07:14 .

[Wrathra]

Arbitorius wrote...
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AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO LIKES THE ALLIANCE?!

Nope. I'm with you. Agree with you 100%.

[jtav]

I'll be doing everything I can to see the Alliance crippled with as many casualties as possible. Every Alliance officer who can be killed will be killed. Earth will be left a smoking crater if I can manage it.

[Funkcase]

jtav wrote...

I'll be doing everything I can to see the Alliance crippled with as many casualties as possible. Every Alliance officer who can be killed will be killed. Earth will be left a smoking crater if I can manage it.

Someone loves humanity..

[Wrathra]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Why exactly is the VS elevated to Spectre status?

Why wouldn't they be? They are both competent, intelligent, effective soldiers. 

[CroGamer002]

jtav wrote...

I'll be doing everything I can to see the Alliance crippled with as many casualties as possible. Every Alliance officer who can be killed will be killed. Earth will be left a smoking crater if I can manage it.

I don't like Alliance either, but that's a bit extreme.

[jtav]

What can I say? ME humans annoy me. When I want to be sympathetic, I play DA.

[khevan]

(quoted for pure awesome)

Arbitorius wrote...

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO LIKES THE ALLIANCE?!

Here is my reasoning for it.

I know a lot of you are civilians, but you have to understand loyalty is a hard thing to break.

Some points to put out, related to various comments in this thread:

1) The Alliance did not abandon Shepard. Remember, Cerberus got there first, and took his body for the Lazerus Project. The Alliance did go search the wreckage of the Normandy SR1, and they retrieved as many bodies as they could. That's how they confirmed the deaths of military personnel such as Navigator Pressley. So to be disloyal to the Alliance because you think they left him behind is a little bogus

2) There is no reason to hate the Alliance in favor of the human colonies in the Terminus Systems. Reason? Look at what the Alliance was doing on Horizon in ME2. Ops Chief Williams was there attempting to install anti-air defense cannons to PROTECT the colonies, and foster better relations with them (human affairs ****...not really my thing. I was a Tanker in the Corps). The Alliance isn't some gargantuan political power seeking to gain power for itself and screw everybody else. REMEMBER, your decisions in ME1 can determine how the Alliance is perceived by the council races, as well as non-council races like Krogan, Drell, Batarians, Quarians, etc etc etc. Especially that interview scene. I made the mistake of making the Alliance look like a bunch of asses by using the red renegade speech options. I won't ever do that again should I play through ME1 again. The Alliance is a collaboration of countries from the planet Earth that gained a lot of power so became a national face for humanity. They seek to be on good terms with the Council, and expand its colonies, and they do go to great lengths to protect their colonies, and later in ME2, even Terminus Systems colonies, ones independant from the Alliance. So in conclussion, they are a super power just looking to stomp on the little guys

3) Point 3 is a reason why I think Shepard (at least...MY Shepard) wouldn't hate the Alliance - he's a military man to the core. Every starting option has him enlisting at a young age. ENLISTING. He started as a Private, a paygrade of E1. And now he's an O4, a Lieutenant Commander. That's 12 ranks higher. As Earthborn he enlists to get away from gangs, as Colonist his family is killed on Mindeor (wrong spelling, sorry), and as a Spacer, his parents were military. I have strong connections to the military through family, so I know what it's like (I regret being out of the actual Corps). I could never betray the Corps were I in a position like Shepard.

4) The Alliance didn't betray Shepard in ME2. They wouldn't support him, and instances occured like Ambassador/Admiral Anderson not being able to tell him about Ops Chief Williams because he was working with/for Cerberus, a splinter cell (I don't know if you all ever read the Codex entries or did as many side quests as I did, but Cerberus used to be an Alliance funded reasearch project). At that point in time, Shepard was faced with defeating the Collectors. He did not have a choice but to work with or for Cerberus, so the Alliance COULDN'T trust him. It's a chain of command thing. It just wasn't allowed. It would be like if a soldier in the US Army was in the Intelligence MOS field, and then joined a contracting company. Say America gets attacked, and that intel soldier was some sort of war hero. he can't just walk back in and say "i'm here to help, tell me classified information". He's working for a PMC now, he doesn't rate that information or knowledge. Nor would he rate support from the Army. He would only rate support from his company, whether he wanted to work for them or not, he would have a job to do.

5) Remember why the Alliance was formed - to protect human colonies during the First Contact War agains the Turians. Well, it gained a lot of power at that time at least. They aren't bad. Yes, there are beaurocratic morons involved, like Udina, but that doesn't mean that the military side is bad. Look at all the honorable soldiers serving in the Alliance: Ashley Williams, Anderson, Pressley, Joker, Hackett, Chief William's family, Shepard's family if you were a Spacer. In war, politics and military might do not mix, and I would assume that there is no negotiating with a Reaper anyway...so in Mass Effect 3...

I will be there to serve the Alliance as an Alliance N7 Marine Sentinel. OORAH!

sorry for the long post

I think I can forgive you for being a Marine.   I'm former Army, myself, but the Marines in the sector south of us in Baghdad were a'ight.    That said, your post was spot on.  I do have an alternate Shepard who has some issues with the Alliance, but most of my Shepards are much like you, pro-Alliance all the way.  I personally had to come to the BSN to even think that someone could view the Alliance in a negative light. 

Don't get me wrong, I personally feel the Alliance is a flawed governmental system...but so is every governmental system on Earth.  The USA government has flaws you could drive a battleship through, but I'll support it to the best of my ability because the alternatives are worse in my opinion.  Would I like to see changes?  Certainly, but I can't be anti-American (government.)

The same with my Shep.  She sees places she like changes to be made, but she's a military gal core-deep, and that ain't gonna change.

[Hyrist]

So you want to screw humanity?

I've eight different replies depeninding on my Sheppards.

Ranging from "Me? Never!"

To
"Only all the pretty ones, the rest the reaper can have." 

To
"Sure, I'll save... some... of you... maybe."

[Ryzaki]

...I only have *one* Shep who would actively try to destroy the alliance.


...That said he'd try to destroy everyone and everything. He's a bit loco. He saves people only because he has nothing better to do.

If there was a "become a Reaper." ending he'd take it in a heartbeat.

But really I don't have any faithful to the alliance Shep's at this point. The one that was somewhat faithful lost that faith after ME2. Those are just my Sheps though. All of them only joined because they had little choice (my colonists) /had to deal with parental pressure (my spacer).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 février 2012 - 08:15 .