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[Vulcan101]

 I was first introduced to the mass effect games via ME2 and the introduction of a morality system deeply impressed me ( it has so much potential!) in any case here is some of my views.

How I will play ME3 after two games of renegade  choices

After letting the council die and saving the base for IM and after all those innocent deaths after arrival, I was thinking how all this would effect the psychology of Shep.

In my canon shep, ME3 will be a redemption mission, especially because of the upcoming trial ( my prediction is guilty) and war with the reapers. Shepard seeks to right the wrong of her past decisions.
So it will be a change from full on renegade to paragon. 



Renegade choice and letting the council die.

When I was given the choice in the interactive comic the first time I played the game decided to let the council die ( there can always be a new one.) my reasoning was that Sovereign was a greater risk and top priory was to stop it not save the council. The Consequence of human dominance was an unintended afterthought. At the time it seemed like a rational choice.  During my current playthrough

Giving IM the Base.

A tough one, since there is no ( apparent benefits) and clearly you cannot trust IM.
Reasoning: In theory there are benefits from acquiring and studying technology. And Collector technology would surely be useful in some department. However, I also rationalised the choice by thinking that Shepard may have felt a debt to IM for Bringing her back from the dead and giving her the crew and the Normandy. ( Feeling of debt can cause irrational choices.) finally I would see it as a last resort. The alliance would not dare operate in the Terminus systems or go beyond the Omega 4 relay, so only the 
im and Cerberus could do it.

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Paragon = Win

Renegade = Fail

Bioware said so.

crying time again?  How about playing ME 3 before you make assumptions?  And don't say the "but the according to the leak"

[Dexi]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Paragon = Win

Renegade = Fail

Bioware said so.

crying time again?  How about playing ME 3 before you make assumptions?  And don't say the "but the according to the leak"

It's just Saphra Den... He'll turn this thread into a paragon vs renegade discussion ( in which he will brilliantly show how renegades are are defavorized ) and hijack it, as he always does... 

[ddv.rsa]

Dexi wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Paragon = Win

Renegade = Fail

Bioware said so.

crying time again?  How about playing ME 3 before you make assumptions?  And don't say the "but the according to the leak"

It's just Saphra Den... He'll turn this thread into a paragon vs renegade discussion ( in which he will brilliantly show how renegades are are defavorized ) and hijack it, as he always does... 

He's right, though.

[KotorEffect3]

Dexi wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Paragon = Win

Renegade = Fail

Bioware said so.

crying time again?  How about playing ME 3 before you make assumptions?  And don't say the "but the according to the leak"

It's just Saphra Den... He'll turn this thread into a paragon vs renegade discussion ( in which he will brilliantly show how renegades are are defavorized ) and hijack it, as he always does... 

I know but the OP is talking about changing up his Shepard's perspective which is an interesting thought process though the first two games did encourage the player to keep their morality consistent if you wanted to get the best results.  Despite what Saphra thinks renegades have never really been punished. 

[DJBare]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Paragon = Win

Renegade = Fail

Bioware said so.

Bioware also stated there is no win for the reapers.

OP, I'm doing the same with a paragade, I think it will make for a more interesting story than straight up paragon/renegade.

[BiO]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

crying time again?  How about playing ME 3 before you make assumptions?  And don't say the "but the according to the leak"

So far nothing in the leak has been wrong.

You don't like it? Tough. Stop complaining about my complaining.

Really, you're a paragon in the games? Could've fooled me...

[KotorEffect3]

So far renegades have been able to have the same amount of success paragons have had. If anyone has a right to complain it is the paragades and renegons since playing the middle of the road might make some persuasion checks harder to get (though that playstyle arguably makes the game more interesting)

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

crying time again?  How about playing ME 3 before you make assumptions?  And don't say the "but the according to the leak"

So far nothing in the leak has been wrong.

You don't like it? Tough. Stop complaining about my complaining.

Stop making idiotic assumptions without proof. 

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Despite what Saphra thinks renegades have never really been punished. 

Punished isn't the right word. More like... overlooked.

ME3 seems to be outright punishing them though.

Well I am not going to look at the leak just to argue a point but you don't exactly have the most unbiased opinon on this matter so you will excuse me if I don't take your word for it.

[CptData]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Paragon = Win

Renegade = Fail

Bioware said so.

Not sure. Some paragon decisions seem to backfire in ME3 while some renegade decisions might help you.

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Stop making idiotic assumptions without proof. 

I have proof. It's called the Leak. Bioware made a big deal about it when it happened, remember?

Here's a suggestion: stop being such a brown-noser. Bioware doesn't like you. They don't care about you. You don't owe them anything.

You do not need to defend them at every turn.

And we aint going to use the leak here period, because while I glanced at the damn thing unfortunatley at least I had the sense not to look at the details and I don't need any spoilers posted here.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 03 février 2012 - 09:29 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Well I am not going to look at the leak just to argue a point but you don't exactly have the most unbiased opinon on this matter so you will excuse me if I don't take your word for it.

Everybody is biased in one way or the other. However most are not as sophisticated as I am.

However the fact that you're telling me not to make "assumptions" while admitting that you have a lot less information than I do is a tad hypocritical.

>Calls himself sophisticated

>Has probably the highest number of insults on BSN

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 03 février 2012 - 09:34 .

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Well I am not going to look at the leak just to argue a point but you don't exactly have the most unbiased opinon on this matter so you will excuse me if I don't take your word for it.

Everybody is biased in one way or the other. However most are not as sophisticated as I am.

However the fact that you're telling me not to make "assumptions" while admitting that you have a lot less information than I do is a tad hypocritical.

Maybe but you are downright fanatical in your renegade bias so any discussion with you about how renegades are treated in ME 3 is going to be tainted by your fanaticism.

[SykoWolf]

My shepard makes his decisions based on experience, I chose to save council in my canon playthrough as I saw the consequence of killing them, I also destroyed the collector base because it was immoral to keep it I mean come on, melted humans?!

[DJBare]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I have not seen any evidence of this what-so-ever.

I thought there was a statement somewhere, that sometimes a positive or seemingly harlmless decision could backfire resulting in the loss of a squad mate.

I personally hope my paragon gets a kick in the rump for some of the decisions made in ME2, good deeds backfiring and all that jazz.

[TexasToast712]

You can play Renegade but go Paragon on most big decisions. Basically my Shep is a dick to everyone but his crew and helpless people.

[CroGamer002]

Paragon = diplomatic hero that wants to save all with less sacrifices possible
Renegade = aggressive anti-hero that doesn't mind to leave destructive path behind to save what can be saved


So I prefer to combine those 2 elements.
You know, to play true pragmatic Shepard not one that pretends to be one.