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[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

It's not judgement it's common sense.

You shoot people and bully your way to...

Hold on, I never did any of this. Shepard did.

So why are you punishing me? I'm the player, remember? You want me to keep buying your games?

Well guess what, genius? I'm not buying your next game.

That's your choice.

I'm glad Bioware remembered this is the real world were running around acting like a jackass will get you exactly that back.

[Bleachrude]

I think the "be a Renegade" option works better in fantasy settings since there's less likely to be blowback from being one.

Fantasy settings, I think, work better with the "individual" hero since it is easier to conceive that this jerk is the destined one. For example, "A grey warden" has to be the one to slay the archdemon so no matter how much of a jerk you are to random people (be it nobles or common), they have to work with you.

For science fiction settings, how does being a jerk actually work? Even if you only go "renegade" at the hard decision points, it still would get around that you are the type willing to burn down the orphanage to save the city and people should be VERY wary around you and frankly want nothing to do with you...

I stand by my belief that Dragon age franchise should've been the stroy of the Warden while ME was the story of a new character in every new game...

[Hunter of Legends]

BlueMagitek wrote...

I hate to break this to you, Hunter, but both Paragon & Renegade Shepards are going to shoot people. Pure Neutral Shepards are going to shoot people.

And between the two of them, Renegade Shepard isn't the one claiming every store on the Citadel is in fact his favorite store on the Citadel.

Paragon shepard doesn't kill innocent people, rough up young Mouse or let injured Salarians and a feeble girl stranded on a planet die FOR ABSOLUTELY no reason.

I am loving my renegade shep playthrough right now but you renegade players are sadly niave to think there would be no rammifications for your actions.

Terribly ignorant on how this would go down.

[incinerator950]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

It's not judgement it's common sense.

You shoot people and bully your way to...

Hold on, I never did any of this. Shepard did.

So why are you punishing me? I'm the player, remember? You want me to keep buying your games?

Well guess what, genius? I'm not buying your next game.

That's your choice.

I'm glad Bioware remembered this is the real world were running around acting like a jackass will get you exactly that back.

Yes, and in the real world, people tell kids to throw grenades at the cars of soldiers who gave them money or food.  In the Real world, people will kill you for being nice.  In the real world, if you do nice things, you don't always get nice things back to you.

Karma isn't a 100% exchange system for equal treatment.  Some things in life are really vile, somethings just happen because.

Modifié par incinerator950, 05 février 2012 - 05:21 .

[Hunter of Legends]

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...

[quote]Hunter of Legends wrote...

That's your choice.

I'm glad Bioware remembered this is the real world were running around acting like a jackass will get you exactly that back.
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They seem a bit selective here.

You know what else will bite you in ass?

[quote] Setting biohazard's free, snubbing your only allies,[/quote] You snub them either way, so that's a no go

[quote] sabotaging your own best chances at victory [quote] And that is? Letting Cerberus have the Station...a bad idea since such a thing would elad to more indoctinated[/quote]
[quote] letting dangerous terrorists walk free,[/quote]We already discussed this, and even in the real world you don't always get the bad guy
[quote] and going on killing sprees to satisfy your buddy's blood-lust so you can lecture him about how bad it is to kill people out of anger. [/quote]You mean killing Mercs you were doing illegal activities and harboring potentially dangrous fugitives and murderors; even terrorist like Balak.


[quote]Here I was thinking Mass Effect was a game with no real right or wrong and not some teaching tool meant to lecture me. [/quote]No, it's a realisticly written game that follows more real world logic and narrative.

[quote] Jump off a cliff, fool.

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The only fool here is the one that is narrow minded enough to believe Renegade was the only way to play the game and that acting like a jackass to the galaxy was a good idea.

Many more lesson on morality and behavior you need I think.

Modifié par Hunter of Legends, 05 février 2012 - 05:26 .

[DPSSOC]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

I hate to break this to you, Hunter, but both Paragon & Renegade Shepards are going to shoot people. Pure Neutral Shepards are going to shoot people.

And between the two of them, Renegade Shepard isn't the one claiming every store on the Citadel is in fact his favorite store on the Citadel.

Paragon shepard doesn't kill innocent people, rough up young Mouse or let injured Salarians and a feeble girl stranded on a planet die FOR ABSOLUTELY no reason.

Hey that's not fair.  There was a perfectly good reason to rough up Mouse, he was being an uncooperative little s*** and you are running on a time limit.  Not entirely getting what the second reference is, apologies poor memory but is that a side mission I missed or...

Hunter of Legends wrote...
I am loving my renegade shep playthrough right now but you renegade players are sadly niave to think there would be no rammifications for your actions.

Terribly ignorant on how this would go down.

Ok here's what you need to get there is a break, a very important break, between punishing Shepard (the character) and punishing the player.  Punish Shepard all you want, but punishing the player by denying them content is not ok.  If you make one path noticeably superior for the player you are doing it wrong.

[BlueMagitek]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Paragon shepard doesn't kill innocent people, rough up young Mouse or let injured Salarians and a feeble girl stranded on a planet die FOR ABSOLUTELY no reason.

I am loving my renegade shep playthrough right now but you renegade players are sadly niave to think there would be no rammifications for your actions.

Terribly ignorant on how this would go down.

Innocent?  Like Fisk?  Like Balak?  Like that Asari Murderess on Illium?  What about those Batarians who are murdering every human they come across on Omega?  And, as many who have played Arrival have pointed out, both Shepards kill something along the lines of 300,000 "innocent" people and destroy a Mass Relay, which is certainly the greater crime.  

Rammifications for putting down a terrorist, a murderer, a thug?  For destroying a species that nearly destroy the Citadel species an untold time ago?  For deciding that taking Legion's at his word is a bad idea, and that having a way to deal with the Geth is a good idea?  Or how about actually telling the Quarians what their precious admiral was up to?  Maybe the Quarians could salvage something from the mess (as Xen implies she has).

Yes, so horribly ignorant.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I am loving my renegade shep playthrough right now but you renegade players are sadly niave to think there would be no rammifications for your actions.

Terribly ignorant on how this would go down.

Consequences for Shepard =/= consequences for the player.

Let Shepard suffer the consequences of his actions, but don't punish the player. Let the player have fun.

If you are going to go down this road then I think you need to be punished and "suffer the rammifications" of your dimwitted, naive, thoughtless choices.

I will be tought something with the Rachni queen.

Youa re a very narrowminded person aren't you?

[Hunter of Legends]

DPSSOC wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

I hate to break this to you, Hunter, but both Paragon & Renegade Shepards are going to shoot people. Pure Neutral Shepards are going to shoot people.

And between the two of them, Renegade Shepard isn't the one claiming every store on the Citadel is in fact his favorite store on the Citadel.

Paragon shepard doesn't kill innocent people, rough up young Mouse or let injured Salarians and a feeble girl stranded on a planet die FOR ABSOLUTELY no reason.

Hey that's not fair.  There was a perfectly good reason to rough up Mouse, he was being an uncooperative little s*** and you are running on a time limit.  Not entirely getting what the second reference is, apologies poor memory but is that a side mission I missed or...

Hunter of Legends wrote...
I am loving my renegade shep playthrough right now but you renegade players are sadly niave to think there would be no rammifications for your actions.

Terribly ignorant on how this would go down.

Ok here's what you need to get there is a break, a very important break, between punishing Shepard (the character) and punishing the player.  Punish Shepard all you want, but punishing the player by denying them content is not ok.  If you make one path noticeably superior for the player you are doing it wrong.

Then you aren't playing the game right. A full renegade Shepard would love a human dominated galaxy with just humans.

If you find issue with your shepard perhaps you should make consistent decisions?

[Dave of Canada]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I will be tought something with the Rachni queen.

Trust and love will keep you together?

And Renegade =/= Pro Human.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 février 2012 - 05:30 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I will be tought something with the Rachni queen.

I doubt it.

Hunter of Legend wrote...

Youa re a very narrowminded person aren't you?

No, I'm just impatient with slow people.

You must get very impatient with your inner thoughts.

[Hunter of Legends]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I will be tought something with the Rachni queen.

Trust and love will keep you together?

Not always.

Sometimes, as I've said before you gotta know when to fold em. Not folding with the queen hurts.

[Hunter of Legends]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I will be tought something with the Rachni queen.

Trust and love will keep you together?

And Renegade =/= Pro Human.

Full Renegade has to, with the conversation choices given.

I'm not assuming for every variable; we could have any number of situations.

Again then I would tell you to be a more consistent choice maker if you find issue with the shepard you've created.

[royard]

Saphra Deden wrote...

royard wrote...

I, for one, think this is the correct way of handling things:

Well that's retarded.

You know why? It completely undoes the import feature. It means that only one morality has anything to import.

So a Renegade is getting a lot less out of the game.

Look, whether you like it or not, the theme of the game is "saving the galaxy."  If Shep risks his butt to save some random human that he doesn't know about, then he has some paragon in him. 

So why does paragon has more content?  Because that's the theme/premise of the game!

[Bleachrude]

incinerator950 wrote...



Yes, and in the real world, people tell kids to throw grenades at the cars of soldiers who gave them money or food.  In the Real world, people will kill you for being nice.  In the real world, if you do nice things, you don't always get nice things back to you.

Karma isn't a 100% exchange system for equal treatment.  Some things in life are really vile, somethings just happen because.

While doing ncie things won't always reward you with nice things, doing vile things ALSO won't always reward you with nice things. 

A renegade shepard can literally be the vilest person in the ME universe yet is there ANY blowback towards Shepard? Does he get charged more or not allowed to do anything? Indeed, if anything, humanity is rewarded by having Shepard the jerk be the face of humanity?

[Hunter of Legends]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Paragon shepard doesn't kill innocent people, rough up young Mouse or let injured Salarians and a feeble girl stranded on a planet die FOR ABSOLUTELY no reason.

I am loving my renegade shep playthrough right now but you renegade players are sadly niave to think there would be no rammifications for your actions.

Terribly ignorant on how this would go down.

Innocent?  Like Fisk?  Like Balak?  Like that Asari Murderess on Illium?  What about those Batarians who are murdering every human they come across on Omega?  And, as many who have played Arrival have pointed out, both Shepards kill something along the lines of 300,000 "innocent" people and destroy a Mass Relay, which is certainly the greater crime.  

Rammifications for putting down a terrorist, a murderer, a thug?  For destroying a species that nearly destroy the Citadel species an untold time ago?  For deciding that taking Legion's at his word is a bad idea, and that having a way to deal with the Geth is a good idea?  Or how about actually telling the Quarians what their precious admiral was up to?  Maybe the Quarians could salvage something from the mess (as Xen implies she has).

Yes, so horribly ignorant.

None of those choices do any good for anyone, sans the Balak situation. Killing Morinth is commen sense; renegade option allows her to live.

Again, you decided to take these actions. It helps if you set your shepard out first and make consistent decisions.

[Dave of Canada]

royard wrote...

So why does paragon has more content?  Because that's the theme/premise of the game!

Then it's a poor theme and reeks of a writer's agenda.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You must get very impatient with your inner thoughts.

Good one, Forest, did you're mother teach you that one?

Wow, a Forest Gump joke.

I hadn't heard one of those since the 90's.

As I already stated I can see why you are the way you are. You are incredibly short sighted and ignorant.

[Dave of Canada]

Bleachrude wrote...

While doing ncie things won't always reward you with nice things, doing vile things ALSO won't always reward you with nice things. 

A renegade shepard can literally be the vilest person in the ME universe yet is there ANY blowback towards Shepard? Does he get charged more or not allowed to do anything? Indeed, if anything, humanity is rewarded by having Shepard the jerk be the face of humanity?

I don't speak for everyone but most people I tend to agree with and fall onto the "renegade" camp want consequences and rewards for both sides, not just one side being labeled the correct path and the other labeled the failure.