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[Hunter of Legends]

incinerator950 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You know what I find funny.

Renegades complained about the whole Rachni Queen ordeal in ME3 yet they would still **** if by their actions there were no Rachni in ME3.

So basically Bioware can't win.

You're just figuring this out now?  Its why I've been stating for two years, don't cave in to the mass complaint appeal. 

Which is why I'm glad Bioware went the route they did with ME3 and will finish strong.

Screw the haters/can't be pleasers.

[WizenSlinky0]

incinerator950 wrote...

Can I have a cupcake?

You may!

Last Vizard wrote...

I'd rather we die then bend to alien will.

Indeed, so would I. But can I say I'll kill my family too rather than let them bend? Is that my choice to make?

People
are not balanced. That's why we try to balance it with society. Society
attempts to strike a balance by placing the logical against the
emotional to find a healthy medium.

Unless they liked my cupcakes. In which case, I'd ask politely for a job as their personal chef. Excuse me Mr. Reaper, does employment come with indocrination insurance? I'd rather not go loco.

[incinerator950]

DJBare wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
How would you react to having a civilian of signifcance?  You've used this statement to throw a wedge at people, yet you've never replied to it.

It would not matter whether I was intimate with the hostages or not, I'd still let Balak go.

So then you let him go, and he decides to relay an FTL warp bomb into a civilian location with your significant family/persons of interest.  Now what?

My significant objective if the hostage was mine wouldn't be saving Terra Nova, it would be a rescue operation. 

Honestly the plot reeks of Metagaming.

Modifié par incinerator950, 06 février 2012 - 07:16 .

[incinerator950]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You know what I find funny.

Renegades complained about the whole Rachni Queen ordeal in ME3 yet they would still **** if by their actions there were no Rachni in ME3.

So basically Bioware can't win.

You're just figuring this out now?  Its why I've been stating for two years, don't cave in to the mass complaint appeal. 

Which is why I'm glad Bioware went the route they did with ME3 and will finish strong.

Screw the haters/can't be pleasers.

I want to photoshop a Collector riding a Thresher Maw into the distance like a cowboy, with Haters gonna hate on it.  

[Hunter of Legends]

incinerator950 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
How would you react to having a civilian of signifcance?  You've used this statement to throw a wedge at people, yet you've never replied to it.

It would not matter whether I was intimate with the hostages or not, I'd still let Balak go.

So then you let him go, and he decides to relay an FTL warp bomb into a civilian location with your significant family/persons of interest.  Now what?

I personally would live with the repercussions of my actions and vow to do better next time.

Just like a paragon shep would.

[Last Vizard]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You know what I find funny.

Renegades complained about the whole Rachni Queen ordeal in ME3 yet they would still **** if by their actions there were no Rachni in ME3.

So basically Bioware can't win.

You can't just make general statements like that, I want paragon and renegade choices to have punishments for the player.  your told during the choice that the Rachni Queen is the last one and if you kill her, that species is gone forever....  They should be dead, I can't wait to see how the Geth consensus choice plays out in ME3.

[incinerator950]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
How would you react to having a civilian of signifcance?  You've used this statement to throw a wedge at people, yet you've never replied to it.

It would not matter whether I was intimate with the hostages or not, I'd still let Balak go.

So then you let him go, and he decides to relay an FTL warp bomb into a civilian location with your significant family/persons of interest.  Now what?

I personally would live with the repercussions of my actions and vow to do better next time.

Just like a paragon shep would.

I really need to get my edits in faster.  However, I understand too.  My first attempt was actually letting him go, believe it or not.

[BlueMagitek]

DJBare wrote...

Kill Balak and there are plenty more to take his place, of course you could ride around the galaxy killing other innocents to get at those replacements.

Let Balak go, and they all know that all they need to do to secure their safety is take a human hostage; the first human Spectre folded like a cheap space-suit.

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You know what I find funny.

Renegades
complained about the whole Rachni Queen ordeal in ME3 yet they would
still **** if by their actions there were no Rachni in ME3.

So basically Bioware can't win.

I don't know about you, but I would have loved if dead Rachni Queen = no Rachni.  More War Assets from the lack of Rachni attacks (Paragons can get back 80% of lost War Assets by doing mission and finding a way to protect further Rachni from indoctrination).  Everybody wins.

[WizenSlinky0]

If you let go the original problem you don't exactly have (New Terrorists + 1). Terrorists also have different ideas about how to accomplish the same goals, just like everyone else. So they have a tendency to interfere with each other as well.

Honestly, I don't think either decision is the *right* decision, just a decision. People are unpredictable. Either decision could lead to unpredictable results in real-life.

[Hunter of Legends]

Last Vizard wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You know what I find funny.

Renegades complained about the whole Rachni Queen ordeal in ME3 yet they would still **** if by their actions there were no Rachni in ME3.

So basically Bioware can't win.

You can't just make general statements like that, I want paragon and renegade choices to have punishments for the player.  your told during the choice that the Rachni Queen is the last one and if you kill her, that species is gone forever....  They should be dead, I can't wait to see how the Geth consensus choice plays out in ME3.

Well, I won't say much because of spoilers but that is essentially what happens without removing content for the player.

But renegades are going to **** regardless because that is what BSN does best. No-one here will appreciate what Bioware is/was until it's gone. Then when it's gone you'll remind yourself of the good old days and how Bioware used to make good games.

I should know. Bungie used to be an amazing developer.

Then they made ODST and Reach.

[Last Vizard]

Femlob wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

So basically Bioware can't win.

This is the BSN - of course they can't win.

... because theres so many different opinions, all they have to do is follow player choices logically instead of the Paragon is best because the natural world bends to their niceness

[DJBare]

incinerator950 wrote...

So then you let him go, and he decides to relay an FTL warp bomb into a civilian location with your significant family/persons of interest.  Now what?

Then I screwed up, big time.

[Hunter of Legends]

BlueMagitek wrote...

I don't know about you, but I would have loved if dead Rachni Queen = no Rachni.  More War Assets from the lack of Rachni attacks (Paragons can get back 80% of lost War Assets by doing mission and finding a way to protect further Rachni from indoctrination).  Everybody wins.

Perhaps YOU will but other Renegades will ****.

I'd rather Bioware tell a good story than try to please every fanwank out there.

[Hunter of Legends]

Last Vizard wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

So basically Bioware can't win.

This is the BSN - of course they can't win.

... because theres so many different opinions, all they have to do is follow player choices logically instead of the Paragon is best because the natural world bends to their niceness

Renegades can still get the "golden" happy ending with a renegade twist...you are just gonna have to REALLY work hard for it instead of just work hard if you were paragon.

The same is true for Paragon players reversed. They will have to REALLY work for the worst ending.

[Yuoaman]

incinerator950 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
How would you react to having a civilian of signifcance?  You've used this statement to throw a wedge at people, yet you've never replied to it.

It would not matter whether I was intimate with the hostages or not, I'd still let Balak go.

So then you let him go, and he decides to relay an FTL warp bomb into a civilian location with your significant family/persons of interest.  Now what?

My significant objective if the hostage was mine wouldn't be saving Terra Nova, it would be a rescue operation. 

Honestly the plot reeks of Metagaming.

You can't know that, there are too many variables. He could be stabbed to death ten minutes later by someone else on his team who didn't sign up to destroy colonies, at the time you have no way of knowing and have to do what you feel is right.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Saving the collector base:

[BlueMagitek]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Perhaps YOU will but other Renegades will ****.

I'd rather Bioware tell a good story than try to please every fanwank out there.

See, now you're just generalizing.  It's as bad as me saying that every Paragon is fine with how the imports are handled, with Renegade imports being basically a default ME game, or how any shipper rabidly hates all other LI's.

Then they shouldn't have given you the choice to spare or eliminate the "last" rachni queen?  Or, if you did, give a hint that there may have been another out there to give themselves an out.

[Last Vizard]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You know what I find funny.

Renegades complained about the whole Rachni Queen ordeal in ME3 yet they would still **** if by their actions there were no Rachni in ME3.

So basically Bioware can't win.

You can't just make general statements like that, I want paragon and renegade choices to have punishments for the player.  your told during the choice that the Rachni Queen is the last one and if you kill her, that species is gone forever....  They should be dead, I can't wait to see how the Geth consensus choice plays out in ME3.

Well, I won't say much because of spoilers but that is essentially what happens without removing content for the player.

But renegades are going to **** regardless because that is what BSN does best. No-one here will appreciate what Bioware is/was until it's gone. Then when it's gone you'll remind yourself of the good old days and how Bioware used to make good games.

I should know. Bungie used to be an amazing developer.

Then they made ODST and Reach.

... are you even talking to me or generalising about BSN as a whole again lol

[Arppis]

Well people do what they do. I don't think you should just pick one option and get the same benefits. You should be thinking abit about the long term effects your actions have. That said, I don't mind if some paragon choices backfire.

I've tried my best there, if it isn't enough, it isn't. You move on.

[Dave of Canada]

I don't see how ignoring most decisions or punishing them while rewarding one side completely, in addition to indoctrinating every non-"good" character is focusing on a good story.

[incinerator950]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You know what I find funny.

Renegades complained about the whole Rachni Queen ordeal in ME3 yet they would still **** if by their actions there were no Rachni in ME3.

So basically Bioware can't win.

You can't just make general statements like that, I want paragon and renegade choices to have punishments for the player.  your told during the choice that the Rachni Queen is the last one and if you kill her, that species is gone forever....  They should be dead, I can't wait to see how the Geth consensus choice plays out in ME3.

Well, I won't say much because of spoilers but that is essentially what happens without removing content for the player.

But renegades are going to **** regardless because that is what BSN does best. No-one here will appreciate what Bioware is/was until it's gone. Then when it's gone you'll remind yourself of the good old days and how Bioware used to make good games.

I should know. Bungie used to be an amazing developer.

Then they made ODST and Reach.

I liked ODST.  It was refreshing to get away from Spartans, had they done a better job of not coypasta'ng the game mechanics, I would like it more.

Reach I'll agree with, but at that point thats Microsoft using someone else to milk that franchise. 

I prefer looking back at Lucas Arts, and then realizing now that its gone, and it will never be the same.  

[Hunter of Legends]

BlueMagitek wrote...



Then they shouldn't have given you the choice to spare or eliminate the "last" rachni queen?  Or, if you did, give a hint that there may have been another out there to give themselves an out.

They give plenty of hints why the Rachni won't go away.

Too valuable of shock troops.

[incinerator950]

Yuoaman wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
How would you react to having a civilian of signifcance?  You've used this statement to throw a wedge at people, yet you've never replied to it.

It would not matter whether I was intimate with the hostages or not, I'd still let Balak go.

So then you let him go, and he decides to relay an FTL warp bomb into a civilian location with your significant family/persons of interest.  Now what?

My significant objective if the hostage was mine wouldn't be saving Terra Nova, it would be a rescue operation. 

Honestly the plot reeks of Metagaming.

You can't know that, there are too many variables. He could be stabbed to death ten minutes later by someone else on his team who didn't sign up to destroy colonies, at the time you have no way of knowing and have to do what you feel is right.

Unfortunately some jackass leaked the plot for me again with Balak.  Which is why I take these discussions with more than a grain of salt.  Hence the metagaming.  I kill him as a prefference to my beliefs, people like that need to go away.  

[Arppis]

incinerator950 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You know what I find funny.

Renegades complained about the whole Rachni Queen ordeal in ME3 yet they would still **** if by their actions there were no Rachni in ME3.

So basically Bioware can't win.

You can't just make general statements like that, I want paragon and renegade choices to have punishments for the player.  your told during the choice that the Rachni Queen is the last one and if you kill her, that species is gone forever....  They should be dead, I can't wait to see how the Geth consensus choice plays out in ME3.

Well, I won't say much because of spoilers but that is essentially what happens without removing content for the player.

But renegades are going to **** regardless because that is what BSN does best. No-one here will appreciate what Bioware is/was until it's gone. Then when it's gone you'll remind yourself of the good old days and how Bioware used to make good games.

I should know. Bungie used to be an amazing developer.

Then they made ODST and Reach.

I liked ODST.  It was refreshing to get away from Spartans, had they done a better job of not coypasta'ng the game mechanics, I would like it more.

Reach I'll agree with, but at that point thats Microsoft using someone else to milk that franchise. 

I prefer looking back at Lucas Arts, and then realizing now that its gone, and it will never be the same.  

I love the ODST too.

They brought back a lot of the good things from first Halo game, which was a good thing. Not to mention they brought back the old health system, which was way superior to the regen hp. And to be honest, the ODST could take more hits than Chief could in Halo 2 & 3, which actualy was bit funny.

Modifié par Arppis, 06 février 2012 - 07:29 .

[Last Vizard]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

So basically Bioware can't win.

This is the BSN - of course they can't win.

... because theres so many different opinions, all they have to do is follow player choices logically instead of the Paragon is best because the natural world bends to their niceness

Renegades can still get the "golden" happy ending with a renegade twist...you are just gonna have to REALLY work hard for it instead of just work hard if you were paragon.

The same is true for Paragon players reversed. They will have to REALLY work for the worst ending.

did you mean work for the best? Paragon = everone species lives Renegade = only Humans live
either Paragons betray their own race for their goal or I'm really not sure what to expect...