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[Hunter of Legends]

GodWood wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
It would have, but the general consensus with the Quarians is that they want to kill the Geth.

And so they should. The geth slaughtered billions of non-combatants, kicked them off their homeworld and have been slaughtering anyone who so much as comes near them for 300 years.

That really leaves little reason to befriend them 

Every time the Quarians knew the odds were in their favor, they've attacked 100% of the time.

The odds haven't been in their favour for 300 years. Also, what are they supposed to do? Never have the geth indicated they're open to peace.

This is why Legion is such a big deal kiddo.

[GodWood]

incinerator950 wrote...
I never liked Gypsies anyway.

Well if you're going to tackle this issue rationally stop letting it cloud your judgement.

Because the Geth were content to Isolation, the Reapers and Heretics forced the Geth to look for someone who has experience with dealing with both. In so doing, he's done more in three hundred years then the Quarians even tried.

-Sigh- Again, the geth slaughtered billions of non-combatants, kicked them off their homeworld and have been slaughtering anyone who so much as comes near them for 300 years.

How on earth are the quarians meant to know the geth are open to peace? The geth have done nothing but present themselves as monstrous killbots for 300 years by murdering everyone that comes near them.

If the geth are open to peace they should actually go out and seek it.

Modifié par GodWood, 08 février 2012 - 07:19 .

[Hunter of Legends]

GodWood wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
In the words of Admiral Koris... "Of course they did. We tried to kill them".

Admiral Koris is a moron and a traitor.

A select few ordered the termination of the geth race. That hardly justifies the complete and total annihilation of every single quarian man, woman and child.

Think harder about that. At 50% the quarians would've no longer been a threat, if they wanted they could've negotiated a peace but no, they continued to relentlessly slaughter billions and billions of innocent non-combatants.

The geth are monsters.

And Legion says to Shepard's face that the non-heretic geth are open to peace.

And like I said, in 300 years they've never thought to tell anyone who isn't Shepard that.

incinerator950 wrote...
The Geth formed a semblence of Sapience, when the Quarians found out, they reacted poorly. The Geth defended themselves. I can't but feel apathy for the Quarians, they brought it on themselves.

Again a select 'few' ordered the termination of the geth.

And it stopped being 'self defence' pretty damn quickly. I'd criticise you people for putting so little thought into the quarians POV but Bioware's presentation has always had a bit of a geth bias.

And they say Paraderps are black and white geez.

[Hunter of Legends]

GodWood wrote...
The geth have done nothing but present themselves as monstrous killbots for 300 years by murdering everyone that comes near them.

If the geth are open to peace they should actually go out and seek it.

Incorrect.

The heretics killed anyone who came into Geth Space. The True Geth ignored everyone except Quarains who came into Geth space.

[AgitatedLemon]

I see what GodWood is doing.

Tell me, do you openly hold contempt for German people, based on what they did back in WW2?

Or Middle Eastern people, because of what Al Qaeda and the Taliban do?

[Hunter of Legends]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I see what GodWood is doing.

Tell me, do you openly hold contempt for German people, based on what they did back in WW2?

Or Middle Eastern people, because of what Al Qaeda and the Taliban do?

He should hate the WHOLE human race since we ALL done monsterous things to each other with little justification or reason.

[incinerator950]

GodWood wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
I never liked Gypsies anyway.

Well if you're going to tackle this issue rationally stop letting it cloud your judgement.

Because the Geth were content to Isolation, the Reapers and Heretics forced the Geth to look for someone who has experience with dealing with both. In so doing, he's done more in three hundred years then the Quarians even tried.

-Sigh- Again, the geth slaughtered billions of non-combatants, kicked them off their homeworld and have been slaughtering anyone who so much as comes near them for 300 years.

How on earth are the quarians meant to know the geth are open to peace? The geth have done nothing but present themselves as monstrous killbots for 300 years by murdering everyone that comes near them.

If the geth are open to peace they should actually go out and seek it.

Fair game, Quarians shot first, and lost.  They turned it into a war for survival, and the Quarians lost horribly.  They roam around the galaxy butt hurt because of a mistake, one the Council recognized by removing their embassy.  I'd be mad if I decided to make something, make it self aware, and then try to destroy it, while it burned down my home and killed a few family members.

Put yourself into the Perspective of the Geth conciousness, they achieve awareness, and ask what does it mean to have a Soul.  Then, the Quarians decide to freak out, and order a notice across Quarian Space to dismantle them.  The Geth realize the need of self-preservation, and attack everyone who attacks them.  Non-Combatants die in war, that is no surprise when you figure the Geth were slaves, like a Robot servant in every home to construction. 

It is a fair judgement.  Gypsies are well known as layabouts who are not nomads, who waste around territory.  The reason why people reject the Migrant Fleet is because it strip mines resources, drains economies, and inflates markets and resources because of the massive mobile population.  Some of the Flotilla codex entries are interesting, if nothing else the questions Tali asks are out of being naive.

Don't know what else you're talking about, Tali pretty much said it herself that the deactivation orders were widespread, its apparent the Quarians are playing the victim card for one of the largest mistakes. 

Modifié par incinerator950, 08 février 2012 - 07:26 .

[Hunter of Legends]

incinerator950 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...
I never liked Gypsies anyway.

Well if you're going to tackle this issue rationally stop letting it cloud your judgement.

Because the Geth were content to Isolation, the Reapers and Heretics forced the Geth to look for someone who has experience with dealing with both. In so doing, he's done more in three hundred years then the Quarians even tried.

-Sigh- Again, the geth slaughtered billions of non-combatants, kicked them off their homeworld and have been slaughtering anyone who so much as comes near them for 300 years.

How on earth are the quarians meant to know the geth are open to peace? The geth have done nothing but present themselves as monstrous killbots for 300 years by murdering everyone that comes near them.

If the geth are open to peace they should actually go out and seek it.

Fair game, Quarians shot first, and lost.  They turned it into a war for survival, and the Quarians lost horribly.  They roam around the galaxy butt hurt because of a mistake, one the Council recognized by removing their embassy.  I'd be mad if I decided to make something, make it self aware, and then try to destroy it, while it burned down my home and killed a few family members.

Put yourself into the Perspective of the Geth conciousness, they achieve awareness, and ask what does it mean to have a Soul.  Then, the Quarians decide to freak out, and order a notice across Quarian Space to dismantle them.  The Geth realize the need of self-preservation, and attack everyone who attacks them.  Non-Combatants die in war, that is no surprise when you figure the Geth were slaves, like a Robot servant in every home to construction. 

It is a fair judgement.  Gypsies are well known as layabouts who are not nomads, who waste around territory.  The reason why people reject the Migrant Fleet is because it strip mines resources, drains economies, and inflates markets and resources because of the massive mobile population.  Some of the Flotilla codex entries are interesting, if nothing else the questions Tali asks are out of being naive.

Don't know what else you're talking about, Tali pretty much said it herself that the deactivation orders were widespread, its apparent the Quarians are playing the victim card for one of the largest mistakes. 

Which is why Qwib'Qwib being the "traitor and coward" is hilarious.

He's the only sensible one.

[GodWood]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
1. You sure do like semantics, don't you?

The quarian's POV is semantics?

How is Koris a traitor?

Traitor to his race. Blaming the quarians and painting the geth as victims.

The geth stopped being victims when the quarians were beat and yet they still continued to slaughter ever single one.

2. Again, Legion says (to Shepard's face) that no one has interacted with a non-heretic geth since the end of the Morning War. Ergo, no one that isn't a krogan or an asari.

Incorrect. The heretic geth only sprang up recently.

Hunter of Legends wrote...
This is why Legion is such a big deal kiddo.

Legion's purpose was not to create a peace between the quarians and the geth. He only offers on the rare opportunity that a Shepard takes him to the fleet.

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I see what GodWood is doing.

Tell me, do you openly hold contempt for German people, based on what they did back in WW2?

Or Middle Eastern people, because of what Al Qaeda and the Taliban do?

You're looking at it wrong.

Individual people (most of them now dead) did those things. Geth have don't have individuals (in any traditional sense) nor do they 'die'. The geth who commited these atrocities are the same geth that are floating around today.

[AgitatedLemon]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Which is why Qwib'Qwib being the "traitor and coward" is hilarious.

He's the only sensible one.

And he has the best ship name.

@Incinerator- Agreed.

[GodWood]

ONE AT A TIME

[AgitatedLemon]

@GW-

It's never said exactly when the heretics split from the mainstream geth, unless I'm forgetting something.

I also like how you say "The quarians", as if it's concrete, and you then mention Koris.

[Hunter of Legends]

GodWood wrote...

2. Again, Legion says (to Shepard's face) that no one has interacted with a non-heretic geth since the end of the Morning War. Ergo, no one that isn't a krogan or an asari.

Incorrect. The heretic geth only sprang up recently.

Wrong, the heretic Geth have been around for centuries.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Reapers gonna reap.  Better they die fighting than die indoctrinated.

How small-minded.

You could become part of something much greater, but no, you have to fight like a scared animal instead.

Define "greater".

[incinerator950]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@GW-

It's never said exactly when the heretics split from the mainstream geth, unless I'm forgetting something.

I also like how you say "The quarians", as if it's concrete, and you then mention Koris.

It's been assumed that the Heretics were corrupted by Nazara sometime when Saren showed up.

As to the point, most people don't venture into the Veil, it's a rare case of missing merchant ships.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Saphra Deden wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Reapers gonna reap.  Better they die fighting than die indoctrinated.

How small-minded.

You could become part of something much greater, but no, you have to fight like a scared animal instead.

"Living" without your mind as a tool for a race that gives less than two ****s about you is hardly being part of something greater.

[AgitatedLemon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Reapers gonna reap.  Better they die fighting than die indoctrinated.

How small-minded.

You could become part of something much greater, but no, you have to fight like a scared animal instead.

Because I want to be a mindless drone, slowly withering away trying to enforce genocide on a galactic scale.

Who doesn't have that dream?

[Hunter of Legends]

incinerator950 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@GW-

It's never said exactly when the heretics split from the mainstream geth, unless I'm forgetting something.

I also like how you say "The quarians", as if it's concrete, and you then mention Koris.

It's been assumed that the Heretics were corrupted by Nazara sometime when Saren showed up.

As to the point, most people don't venture into the Veil, it's a rare case of missing merchant ships.

Again wrong...Nazara communicated with the Geth soon after the war ended.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 08 février 2012 - 07:35 .

[royard]

BlueMagitek wrote...

royard wrote...

Right, because keeping the guy who is vengeful for being put in such pain in charge of all the geth would be a good idea?  Look, you just put this guy through hell.  Now you give him a synthetic army that only he can command.  Are you really sure about the risks here? 

About the council--it's not a simple "you lose 8 ships that could be fighting Sovvy."  It's "you lose 8 ships and gain the firepower of DA, which 'has almost as much firepower as the rest of the asari fleet combined.'"  You lose some firepower, and DA might not be at optimal capacity, but I would say it's a fair trade. 

They were just examples of where the Renegade decision would be the optimal, if not necessarily moral, choice. 

The "optimal" decision you referred to involves a high likelihood of a vengeful man controlling a huge army.  Do you remember how those Overlord scientists died?  The risk of backfiring is so great that this decision can't be "optimal." 

Also, abandoning the council is not "optimal" when you don't gain any firepower in doing so.  If saving the council would actually lead to less firepower on Sovvy, then the renegade decision could be said to be optimal.  However, as I pointed out, by saving the council you trade 8 ships for Destiny Ascension, which is half of the entire asari military strength.  There's no hard evidence of which has the greater firepower, 8 good ships or damaged Destiny Ascension, so I will assume they are not that different.  Since paragon and renegade decisions bring roughly similar amounts of firepower to the table, renegade is not "optimal."

[Lotion Soronarr]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Reapers gonna reap.  Better they die fighting than die indoctrinated.

How small-minded.

You could become part of something much greater, but no, you have to fight like a scared animal instead.

Because I want to be a mindless drone, slowly withering away trying to enforce genocide on a galactic scale.

Who doesn't have that dream?

I think Saphra refers to becoming a reaper, not becmoing a srveant like the Collectors.

If reapers are indeeed a gestalt formed from the collective minds, then it could be indeed considered "something greater".