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[incinerator950]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

No, but 3 lefts do.

Again, why are you singling ME out?

RK for the win. FOR THE WIN!


Sorry, you're just the easiest to disprove:devil:.

You are now forced to sing the Nappa edition of the Ghost busters song.

[AgitatedLemon]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

No, but 3 lefts do.

Again, why are you singling ME out?

RK for the win. FOR THE WIN!


Sorry, you're just the easiest to disprove:devil:.

You can disprove an opinion?

[Lotion Soronarr]

royard wrote...
Also, if you save DA, you get this line from Hackett in Arrival: "It took two fleets and the Destiny Ascension to take down Sovereign, and he was just one Reaper."  Which means DA participated in the Sovvy fight. 

No, it doesn't mean anything..unless Bio is aiming for a retcon again.
In ME1, the DA was damaged, fleeing and described as "dead in the water". Nothing, ever, at any poitn suggested it was capable or willing to join the fight.

[AgitatedLemon]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

You can disprove an opinion?

Saying all of the Quarians want to kill all of the Geth isn't opinion. It's objective, either supported by the game or not supported.

I said earlier that it can be inferred.

Unless an inference is the same thing as stating a fact.

edit: has anyone besides me noticed the OP put "Pargon" instead of "Paragon"?

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 08 février 2012 - 08:33 .

[incinerator950]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

You can disprove an opinion?

Saying all of the Quarians want to kill all of the Geth isn't opinion. It's objective, either supported by the game or not supported.

I think I need to patent Durp Loops cereal.

Also, derailer time. 

Modifié par incinerator950, 08 février 2012 - 08:33 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Geth are bastards and need to die.

Nothing can justify killing 99% of the Quarians AND killing off ANY organic they come across for 300 years.
Now I hate the qaurians too, since they are morons..but geth are bigger morons.

[GodWood]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I said earlier that it can be inferred.

How can it be inferred? We know the quarians have a variety of views among them, we know they love to argue and debate and we know nothing of them sharing some kind of collective consciousness.

Assuming they all wanted to kill the geth (or had any say in it) is illogical. What's likely is some higher ups made the call.

[incinerator950]

Saphra Deden wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

You don't seem to understand the proposition that you put through.  Self Defense, to counter someone elses Self-defense, which really was a prevention of slaves learning the meaning of revolution.

Which is still self defense. The quarians are not obligated to lay down and die as a people for machine freedom.

The geth were dangerous, this was proven.

So in light of that how can you condemn the quarians for trying to avoid that danger?

I don't condemn or condone their actions.  I accept that it happened in the lore and they need to take responsibility for the matter.

[AgitatedLemon]

GodWood wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I said earlier that it can be inferred.

How can it be inferred? We know the quarians have a variety of views among them, we know they love to argue and debate and we know nothing of them sharing some kind of collective consciousness.

Assuming they all wanted to kill the geth (or had any say in it) is illogical. What's likely is some higher ups made the call.

Have you overheard civilian talk on the flotilla? Or spoken to Tali? or Han'Gerrel?

They seem pretty friggin "Damn the geth!" to me.

[GodWood]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Have you overheard civilian talk on the flotilla? Or spoken to Tali? or Han'Gerrel?

They seem pretty friggin "Damn the geth!" to me.

......

That's because this is 300 years later, after the geth slaughtered billions of non-combatants, kicked them off their homeworld and have been slaughtering anyone who so much as comes near them for 300 years.

Your claim was they as an entire species (which is wrong even now) hated the geth 300 years ago and collectively decide to terminate them.

Modifié par GodWood, 08 février 2012 - 08:41 .

[shepard1038]

The Quarian-Geth conflict was a mistake, the Quarians overreacted because the Geth became sentient and tried
to shot them down. And the Geth Killed the Quarians because they saw that as an attack.

Modifié par shepard1038, 08 février 2012 - 08:42 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...


Define "greater".

The continuation of the human race in a new form. One that isn't still hampered by a thousand millenia old instincts, just a fraction of a step above the animals.

This is Glorious

[DragonRageGT]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Coming from the person who believes Cerberus is good in execution and that humanity would benefit from becoming a Reaper.

This seems more like an ad-hominem than actual defense of your beliefs.

Not surprising though considering there is no defense for what you've advocated.

How it got so one-sided in your head is a mystery to me. Even Bioware doesn't push it this far.

How can you damn the quarians so severely for their actions but give the geth a total pass?

She's a cylon agent trying to defend what the Cylon did to the twelve colonies! ME was just some video game they played at that time. haha

[WizenSlinky0]

It was mutual paranoia. The geth were quite "young" in their development at the time and were just considering the idea they they might be able to choose for themselves. So their very first interaction with organics after beginning to become sentient was the execution and deletion of their platforms. Since their programs are re-purposed they maintain fresh memories of what happened. In that way its not even a case of "we can't blame them for what happened to our ancestors", because they *are* their ancestors.

Really, both the Quarians and Geth acted like complete morons in a lot of ways.

[Hunter of Legends]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...


Define "greater".

The continuation of the human race in a new form. One that isn't still hampered by a thousand millenia old instincts, just a fraction of a step above the animals.

This is Glorious

More like madness.

All 10 of my Shepards would use the cutscene pistol of justice on his ass.




And by ass I mean head.

[GodWood]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
The continuation of the human race in a new form. One that isn't still hampered by a thousand millenia old instincts, just a fraction of a step above the animals.

This is Glorious

More like madness.

All 10 of my Shepards would use the cutscene pistol of justice on his ass.




And by ass I mean head.

You're so hardcore.

[Hunter of Legends]

GodWood wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
The continuation of the human race in a new form. One that isn't still hampered by a thousand millenia old instincts, just a fraction of a step above the animals.

This is Glorious

More like madness.

All 10 of my Shepards would use the cutscene pistol of justice on his ass.




And by ass I mean head.

You're so hardcore.

You're so absolute.

[Rip504]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

royard wrote...
Also, if you save DA, you get this line from Hackett in Arrival: "It took two fleets and the Destiny Ascension to take down Sovereign, and he was just one Reaper."  Which means DA participated in the Sovvy fight. 

No, it doesn't mean anything..unless Bio is aiming for a retcon again.
In ME1, the DA was damaged, fleeing and described as "dead in the water". Nothing, ever, at any poitn suggested it was capable or willing to join the fight.

So the entire council fleet was waiting in orbit for Saren and the Geth fleet to try and invade the Citadel.
When the Geth jumped into Citadel Space what? You assume the DA just sat there and was disabled?
I would assume it was disabled during a fight with the Reaper and Geth fleet.

Fighting back,ya know "self-defense". By the time Sovereign's shields were down,who knows maybe the DA (the biggest ship in Citadel space.) had gotten some of it's weapons back online and fired from distance.

I would assume the DA did something other then just sit there and get disabled. It was not a surprise attack,the council were waiting for them.

Other then that. I fully agree with Saphra opinions on why the Geth took it to far. At what point does it no longer become self-defense? The Geth definitely passed this point, and became the aggressor. Also killing every organic ship entering Geth space in the last 300 years,wouldn't suggest much peace could be made.