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[Rip504]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I would assume...

Don't. You have no proof or reason to believe the DA did anything since it isn't even seen after you save it.

They were waiting for the Geth to attack...

Projectiles are flying in from all over,and if we saved it,well it's still at the Citadel somewhere doing something.
I would say it is safe to assume that the DA helped out in some way. Before or After,either way it still helped in the fight.
Also "saving" the DA implies it is in better shape then letting it be destroyed.
Since you "seen" the DA,did it look as if it was in no shape to fight? (While the Normandy flies by.) Does DA look as if it is on the brink of death? IDK.

Modifié par Rip504, 09 février 2012 - 06:13 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

The DA wasn't in any shape to do much of anything (otherwise it would've kept moving and trying to escape)...

And why the Council didn't eject (along with why no one offered to save the Ascension... or even report that they couldn't save them)... is beyond me.

[Rip504]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

They were waiting for the Geth to attack...

Projectiles are flying in from all over,and if we saved it,well it's still at the Citadel somewhere doing something.
I would say it is safe to assume that the DA helped out in some way. Before or After,either way it still helped in the fight.
Also "saving" the DA implies it is in better shape then letting it be destroyed.
Since you "seen" the DA,did it look as if it was in no shape to fight? (While the Normandy flies by.) Does DA look as if it is on the brink of death? IDK.

You have no reason to believe the DA did anything after you saved it because it wasn't even shown in a cinematic after it was saved.

So don't assume.

Yes at the end,but there is a scene in which the DA is in battle. Admiral Hackett claiming the DA helped is 100% fact. Thank you for clearing that up for me,your right I shouldn't assume.

Even if the DA only helped stop the Geth from gaining entry,either as a decoy or killing a few Geth ships,it still helped.

One of the purposes of the DA being there,was to "HELP" defend the Citadel. From? Oh the Geth and Sovereign! Which is what Admiral Hackett states.

(Edit: and if Hackett states this,then it is Bioware stating the DA played a part in the defense of the Citadel & the destruction of the Reaper. Bioware writes the story,after they tell you the DA helped,why say it didn't?)

Modifié par Rip504, 09 février 2012 - 06:39 .

[Rip504]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Yes at the end,but there is a scene in which the DA is in battle.

No there isn't. After you save the DA you don't see it again.

LoL in the scene when* you are saving it,what is it doing?
Oh it's in battle.

Modifié par Rip504, 09 février 2012 - 06:41 .

[Rip504]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Did it help? Yes

I'm glad we agree,now that's 2 things we agree on !

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Hackett's statements about the DA in Arrival are ambiguous.

Would be kinda funny if it was just a blanket statement he had to say countless times in the media to cover up the fact that all the DA did was try and get the heck outta there.

[RiouHotaru]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

This is true, but as Legion points out they just wanted to be left alone...

That they did, but guess what? They don't live in this galaxy alone. Apathy comes with a cost and that cost is mistrust.

Other things cause mistrust as well you know...

Like lying.
Misleading others.
Shirking responsibility.
Handwaving personal blame.

[RiouHotaru]

GodWood wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Have you overheard civilian talk on the flotilla? Or spoken to Tali? or Han'Gerrel?

They seem pretty friggin "Damn the geth!" to me.

......

That's because this is 300 years later, after the geth slaughtered billions of non-combatants, kicked them off their homeworld and have been slaughtering anyone who so much as comes near them for 300 years.

Your claim was they as an entire species (which is wrong even now) hated the geth 300 years ago and collectively decide to terminate them.

Do we know the Geth started "slaughtering billions of non-combatant" for a fact?  Because I don't recall that figure EVER coming up.

[JeffZero]

Saphra Deden wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Do we know the Geth started "slaughtering billions of non-combatant" for a fact?  Because I don't recall that figure EVER coming up.

So what do you think happened to all those billions of quarians who didn't wind up on the Migrant Fleet?

They revived Commedia dell Arte.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Do we know the Geth started "slaughtering billions of non-combatant" for a fact?  Because I don't recall that figure EVER coming up.

So what do you think happened to all those billions of quarians who didn't wind up on the Migrant Fleet?

It's called friendly fire and collateral damage.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

It's called friendly fire and collateral damage.

Right.

Call it what you want but the Geth didn't want to eradicate the Quarians.

The Quarians wanted to eradicate the Geth.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

It takes on hell of a narrow mind to be able to fit your head up your own ass this far, Hunter.

You really need to listen to your own words carefully. They are far more fitting for you.

It's acceptable because the QUARIANS themselves were never going to cease their eradication of the Geth. The Geth simply wanted to be left alone. It is genecide when the stated goal is to eradicate a group or species. The Geth goal was to cease hostilities and survive. By letting Quarians who were clearly set in stone that they were to die live they would never be left alone.

If the geth wanted Genocide they'd still hunt the Quarians down. They don't.


But who am I kidding? You're head is so far up your ass you couldn't hear an air horn let alone understand simple facts. You are so foolish and absolute you could never understand the world or the universe.

I'm honestly glad Me3 is ruined for you. You don't deserve such a game or an ending  you fool.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

It's acceptable because the QUARIANS themselves were never going to cease their eradication of the Geth.

Clearly the geth were never going to cease their eradication of the quarians either so how can you blame the quarians?

You are sick.

That was the Quarians fault for shooting first and asking questions later.

This is coming from the fool who thinks becoming a Reaper is "better" for us all you narrow minded tool.

I also like how you ignored the rest of my post because it destroyed your whole argument.

Fool.

Modifié par Hunter of Legends, 10 février 2012 - 01:27 .

[incinerator950]

Chocolate for all.

[Hunter of Legends]

incinerator950 wrote...

Chocolate for all.

Only for those who aren't illogical jackasses.

[Nashiktal]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

That was the Quarians fault for shooting first and asking questions later.

The quarians had no choice. The geth were an anomaly and their rising intelligence was a freak accident. A.I. is dangerous enough when you create it under controlled circumstances. This was an A.I. that was developing on its own and on a massive scale.

It was too dangeorus to just sit there and do nothing. Shutting the geth down was the safest course of action. It wasn't fair to the geth, but it was fair to the quarians and it is the quarians that the quarians should be chiefly concerned about.

You lose whatever moral highground you are claiming, Hunter, when you then go further and justify the geth genocide against the quarians.

You are either lacking in empathy or imagination if you can't understand just how huge in scale this genocide was. It makes the genocides of the 20th century (and the ongoing ones of the 21st) look like harmless child's play.

Hunter wrote...

I also like how you ignored the rest of my post because it destroyed your whole argument.

Fool.

It would take an extremely well thought out and constructed argument to destroy my own, Hunter. I'm afraid that is something you could do never even hope to do.

Not to mention the quarians are not nearly as unified in purpose as the geth. I am willing to bet the vast majority of th quarians were unware of the geth attacks until after a select few (probably military personel, or maybe factory overseers, as the geth were everything from personal house servants to military weaponry to factory workers) tried to shut down their units

Its not nearly as black and white as people want it to be, and even the geth recognize how horrible the war was if you care to believe legion.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

That was the Quarians fault for shooting first and asking questions later.

The quarians had no choice. The geth were an anomaly and their rising intelligence was a freak accident. A.I. is dangerous enough when you create it under controlled circumstances. This was an A.I. that was developing on its own and on a massive scale.

It was too dangeorus to just sit there and do nothing. Shutting the geth down was the safest course of action. It wasn't fair to the geth, but it was fair to the quarians and it is the quarians that the quarians should be chiefly concerned about.

You lose whatever moral highground you are claiming, Hunter, when you then go further and justify the geth genocide against the quarians.

You are either lacking in empathy or imagination if you can't understand just how huge in scale this genocide was. It makes the genocides of the 20th century (and the ongoing ones of the 21st) look like harmless child's play.

Hunter wrote...

I also like how you ignored the rest of my post because it destroyed your whole argument.

Fool.

It would take an extremely well thought out and constructed argument to destroy my own, Hunter. I'm afraid that is something you could do never even hope to do.

There is no need to justify the Geth actions because it was genocide; a fool like yourself can't even understand simple definitions.

Self Defense and Preservation =/= Genocide.

None of your arguments are deep or intellectual in nature. Not only are your deffinitions just flat WRONG your entire premise is one of emotion and feelings not logic and reasoning. I only need remind you you are a king of fools to destroy ANY words you manage to string together to  look like some sort of convincing argument that is in fact a bunch of nonsensical emotion driven talk.

But please; continue the delusions. I often wonder how such idiotic people continue believing they have some sort of "intellecutal drive" when they lack even basic understand of simple concepts.