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[CerberusSoldier]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Paragon = Win

Renegade = Fail

Bioware said so.

crying time again?  How about playing ME 3 before you make assumptions?  And don't say the "but the according to the leak"

   


well in the leak from what I can tell the paragon path makes it easier

[RVallant]

The hell? If you renegade kill someone, don't expect them to pop up again in the future (when they will if you paragon choice them and keep them alive.)

If you renegade someone without killing them, then fair enough I'd expect them to pop up again. That is the entire impact of the choice. You can't have a benefit or consequence from someone who is not there to give you that consequence on account of being dead.

I think really Paragon/Renegade are to serve as a contrast. If the rachni choice is anything to go by either 1) Paragon wins, rachni help and Renegade loses out by being shortsighted or 2) Paragon loses by having to deal with the gits while Renegade wins by not having to deal with them. In both situations, renegades don't see an impact, Paragons will, that's the contrast imo, renegade will usually be an invisible reaction to a choice that nullifies the original action in the first place (if that even makes sense).

Or Paragon wins, renegade fails, whatever.

[AlexXIV]

Tbh Renegades SHOULD BE punished.

[incinerator950]

AlexXIV wrote...

Tbh Renegades SHOULD BE punished.

That's a poor outlook.  Everyone should be punished, the Paradurp concept with the lack of consequences for being morally upgright is non-existant. 

I don't do purist runs because it limits your perspective on how things are.  How Paragons just go on by without a problem, and Renegades just get away with being an ass.  

I'm about to make it a sig referrence that Army of Two and Fable did a better job managing consequences then Mass Effect.   There seems to be a lack of motivation and angles for doing things.  Consequences, repercussions, you know, life lessons that karma is a *****.

[AlexXIV]

incinerator950 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Tbh Renegades SHOULD BE punished.

That's a poor outlook.  Everyone should be punished, the Paradurp concept with the lack of consequences for being morally upgright is non-existant. 

I don't do purist runs because it limits your perspective on how things are.  How Paragons just go on by without a problem, and Renegades just get away with being an ass.  

I'm about to make it a sig referrence that Army of Two and Fable did a better job managing consequences then Mass Effect.   There seems to be a lack of motivation and angles for doing things.  Consequences, repercussions, you know, life lessons that karma is a *****.

I don't mind Paragades or Renegons. One of my Shep is just that. But pure Renegades are jerks per definition. In my Paragade playthrough I am a jerk to some, but not all. I don't see though how someone who is a jerk to everyone should get away with it. If you choose your path in life you also have to accept the consequences. I don't know what kind of people choose renegade path and actually expect it to work out better than paragon. That's just unrealistic. If you are or have been anything of a renegade at any point of your life then you'd know it comes back at you at some point.

[xentar]

Hopefully, failure to follow arbitrary stereotypes is not going to result in punishment from the game designers.

[Descy_]

 I generally decide how I would if I was there.

Im mainly Paragon, but the only real time Im Renegade (Apart from some choices) is during those Renegade options. I will Right trigger you right out of the window.

[incinerator950]

AlexXIV wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Tbh Renegades SHOULD BE punished.

That's a poor outlook.  Everyone should be punished, the Paradurp concept with the lack of consequences for being morally upgright is non-existant. 

I don't do purist runs because it limits your perspective on how things are.  How Paragons just go on by without a problem, and Renegades just get away with being an ass.  

I'm about to make it a sig referrence that Army of Two and Fable did a better job managing consequences then Mass Effect.   There seems to be a lack of motivation and angles for doing things.  Consequences, repercussions, you know, life lessons that karma is a *****.

I don't mind Paragades or Renegons. One of my Shep is just that. But pure Renegades are jerks per definition. In my Paragade playthrough I am a jerk to some, but not all. I don't see though how someone who is a jerk to everyone should get away with it. If you choose your path in life you also have to accept the consequences. I don't know what kind of people choose renegade path and actually expect it to work out better than paragon. That's just unrealistic. If you are or have been anything of a renegade at any point of your life then you'd know it comes back at you at some point.

Indeed, I'm just saying, its foolish that being a pure Paragon should completely reward you.  Instead, from what I've deduced, they merely added Wrex features for people who were terrorists, and gave them important functions to help.  Where people who are more likely to attack you are going to stereotypically help you because of a dire situation. 

xentar wrote...

Hopefully, failure to follow arbitrary stereotypes is not going to result in punishment from the game designers.

Agreed

[GoDLiKe 187x]

my Shepard full Renegade my main

[JukeFrog]

Even though I play mostly Paragade, I believe that the Renegade is the most selfless path (as far as the main choices are concerned). Everything that a Renegade is for the best of the whole rather than a select few. They're willing to be labeled as a "monster" in order to ensure the safety of everyone. It's kind of sad that Renegades get nothing for their sacrifices, while Paragons get to have their cake and eat it, too.

[DJBare]

Both pure renegade and pure paragon should get an absolute kicking in the rump, the first for naivety, the second for being an arse.

[CroGamer002]

DJBare wrote...

Both pure renegade and pure paragon should get an absolute kicking in the rump, the first for naivety, the second for being an arse.

[incinerator950]

Mesina2 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Both pure renegade and pure paragon should get an absolute kicking in the rump, the first for naivety, the second for being an arse.

[AlexXIV]

Mesina2 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Both pure renegade and pure paragon should get an absolute kicking in the rump, the first for naivety, the second for being an arse.

Yeah.

[Dexi]

Ha! Told you.

Thread hijacked? Check.
BW loves Paragon more than Renegade? Check.
Paragon vs Renegade? Check.

[KotorEffect3]

Dexi wrote...

Ha! Told you.

Thread hijacked? Check.
BW loves Paragon more than Renegade? Check.
Paragon vs Renegade? Check.

yup

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Well I am not going to look at the leak just to argue a point but you don't exactly have the most unbiased opinon on this matter so you will excuse me if I don't take your word for it.

Everybody is biased in one way or the other. However most are not as sophisticated as I am.

However the fact that you're telling me not to make "assumptions" while admitting that you have a lot less information than I do is a tad hypocritical.

>Calls himself sophisticated

>Has probably the highest number of insults on BSN

Coming from you, that's quite a laugh, Mr. "Let's insult people through PM's".

Also:

>Visiting that imageboard once
>Thinking you can greentext everywhere afterwards

I mean, seriously? Openly identifying yourself as a member of that community isn't doing your already non-existent credibility any favors.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 03 février 2012 - 11:08 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Dexi wrote...

Ha! Told you.

Thread hijacked? Check.
BW loves Paragon more than Renegade? Fact.
Paragon vs Renegade? Check.

yup

fixed

[N00blet666]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Paragon = Win

Renegade = Fail

Bioware said so.

Even if this is the case, who cares? I like being a jerk in game. I hated the council so I killed them. I killed the Rachni Queen too. Whether or not your statement is true doesn't matter. I won't change any of the decisions I've made because I had a good time making them. Isn't that the point of buying a video game, to have a good time?

Modifié par N00blet666, 05 février 2012 - 09:42 .

[tetrisblock4x1]

Why should either paragon or renegade be free of punishment? Surely people can see how penalizing renegade characters but not paragon is bad for everyone?

[TexasToast712]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Paragon = Win

Renegade = Fail

Bioware said so.

crying time again?  How about playing ME 3 before you make assumptions?  And don't say the "but the according to the leak"

   


well in the leak from what I can tell the paragon path makes it easier

ORLLY?

I know a few Paragon decisions that will bite people in the ass.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Saphra Deden wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

ORLLY?

I know a few Paragon decisions that will bite people in the ass.

DON'T POST SPOILERS!

You'll get KotorEffect3 after you...

Oh, the humanity!

[Exia001]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Why should either paragon or renegade be free of punishment? Surely people can see how penalizing renegade characters but not paragon is bad for everyone?

Holy **** balls! We agree on something.

And surely the solution to this whole Paragon/Renegade thing is just to play the game multiple times