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[DJBare]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DON'T POST SPOILERS!

You'll get KotorEffect3 after you...

Even though I recognize your sarcasm, I fully expect my pure paragon to bitten on the arse because some choices were just purely naive, anyway, I'm pretty sure I can see a halo beginning to appear above her head, that's definitely gotta go!

[Rip504]

I don't understand why & how renegades justify cold blooded murder and expect rewards?

If you kill something,it is dead & gone. The lack of it,is your content. No story to be told when it is no longer there.

Renegades & Paragons have a very similar amount of content.
They are considered playstyles. Based on how you feel,to expect rewards is wrong.
It's about choice and you should expect outcomes. Which Bioware has delivered.

[KotorEffect3]

Rip504 wrote...

I don't understand why & how renegades justify cold blooded murder and expect rewards?

.

It is an overblown sense of entitlement.

[KotorEffect3]

Luc0s wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Despite what Saphra thinks renegades have never really been punished. 

Punished isn't the right word. More like... overlooked.

ME3 seems to be outright punishing them though.

Well I am not going to look at the leak just to argue a point but you don't exactly have the most unbiased opinon on this matter so you will excuse me if I don't take your word for it.

I vouch for Saphra. He's right.

Well that is a big f'n suprise.  Cerberus looks out for their own eh?

[KotorEffect3]

And I thought I posted here too much

[Exia001]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I don't understand why & how renegades justify cold blooded murder and expect rewards?

*deep breath*

Don't you get it? IT'S A GAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!

I'm not going out and murdering real people and expecting a reward! I'm not even murdering people in-game and expecting a reward for Shepard! I'm expecting a REWARD FOR THE PLAYER FOR PLAYING THE GAME AND IMPORTING FROM ONE GAME TO THE NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looking past the rage anf not taking sides, kind kind of rewards are you expecting?

[elarem]

In ME I liked to invest in Intimidate but chose Paragon options when push came to shove. It was fun getting people to do things not because of Shepard's charm but because s/he intimidated them. My Shepards ended up Paragades and that satisfied me.

In ME2 it was more difficult to be Paragade because of the squad mate arguments if you wanted to keep both of them loyal, and at what stage of the game the conflicts arose. Instead of being a spontaneous occurrence it became something that I had to plan ahead of time, although sometimes I chose what I really wanted irrespective of possible ME3 consequences because it was in character for that Shepard at that time.

If what was said about mixing up the renegade and paragon actions in ME3 for the best possible result is true then I will be happy, because it lends itself to a more natural response and decision making experience - for me.

As for Renegades being evil - I thought Bioware initially said that Renegades weren't. If BW writers are favouring the Paragons, because they are 'nearer to the angels', then that seems unfair. In war terrible decisions have to be made in order to ensure the survival of your side. Renegades may have more experience in that regard than pure Paragons, who never seems to want to leave anyone unhappy let alone wounded or dead. 'That's just my opinion though, ....'

[Rip504]

Both parties receive rewards for imports.
Your comment makes little to no sense.

Damn I forgot ME was a game. Thanks for the reminder.
Who spends 24/7 on BSN claiming to be sophisticated?

Shepard is the player. 50,000 plus in minerals & 200,000 plus credits.
Not enough reward for your import?
And yes both Paragon & Renegades choices have outcomes.
So what exactly is your complaint?

[Jynthor]

Any hope for Renegade badassery disappeared when Cerberus put on their black cloaks and decided to be evil. Personally I'm a Renagon(Paragade? Whatever) Couldn't imagine playing the game any other way, I'd feel like some stupid drone.

[Icinix]

Really I think you're all looking at this wrong.

ME3 isn't punishing Renegades or Paragons.

Its punishing everyone who played ME1 and ME2.

[Unpleasant Implications]

Rip504 wrote...

Both parties receive rewards for imports.
Your comment makes little to no sense.

Damn I forgot ME was a game. Thanks for the reminder.
Who spends 24/7 on BSN claiming to be sophisticated?

Shepard is the player. 50,000 plus in minerals & 200,000 plus credits.
Not enough reward for your import?
And yes both Paragon & Renegades choices have outcomes.
So what exactly is your complaint?

The problem is that Renegades get less content. They kill people, yes, and those people shouldn't appear again, but they want that to be noticed just as much as if the people had been spared. It's more about equality amongst choices.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Well I am not going to look at the leak just to argue a point but you don't exactly have the most unbiased opinon on this matter so you will excuse me if I don't take your word for it.

Everybody is biased in one way or the other. However most are not as sophisticated as I am.

However the fact that you're telling me not to make "assumptions" while admitting that you have a lot less information than I do is a tad hypocritical.

>Calls himself sophisticated

>Has probably the highest number of insults on BSN

You are not the one to talk SWM.....

[KotorEffect3]

Great let's bring the undead into Mass Effect to appease the whiney renegades.

[Unpleasant Implications]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Great let's bring the undead into Mass Effect to appease the whiney renegades.

Are you an idiot? They want to be NOTICED, not bring the dead back to life.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Icinix wrote...

Really I think you're all looking at this wrong.

ME3 isn't punishing Renegades or Paragons.

Its punishing everyone who played ME1 and ME2.

[Exia001]

He wasnt looking to revive dead Characters, he wants replacements based on context.

[Phaedon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I don't understand why & how renegades justify cold blooded murder and expect rewards?

*deep breath*

Don't you get it? IT'S A GAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!

I'm not going out and murdering real people and expecting a reward! I'm not even murdering people in-game and expecting a reward for Shepard! I'm expecting a REWARD FOR THE PLAYER FOR PLAYING THE GAME AND IMPORTING FROM ONE GAME TO THE NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wrong in your case, right in the case of others.

You have tried justifying renegade actions and remarked it as the "smart move", the one that should be rewarded.

[Rip504]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Both parties receive rewards for imports.
Your comment makes little to no sense.

Damn I forgot ME was a game. Thanks for the reminder.
Who spends 24/7 on BSN claiming to be sophisticated?

Shepard is the player. 50,000 plus in minerals & 200,000 plus credits.
Not enough reward for your import?
And yes both Paragon & Renegades choices have outcomes.
So what exactly is your complaint?

The problem is that Renegades get less content. They kill people, yes, and those people shouldn't appear again, but they want that to be noticed just as much as if the people had been spared. It's more about equality amongst choices.

Obviously I disagree. When I kill something in ME, I am done with it. No I don't want to be bothered by some random NPC that knows nothing of the Rachni Queen, telling me about how I killed it.
Really? How pointless is that?

3 mins of unresolved content is not Bioware tailoring to the Paragon IMO. Sorry,but no Paragon choice has greatly effected the game & left the Renegades at a disadvantage. Anything else is speculation.
Paragon/Renegade is not about reward or content,but rather choice & outcome.