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[KotorEffect3]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Great let's bring the undead into Mass Effect to appease the whiney renegades.

Are you an idiot? They want to be NOTICED, not bring the dead back to life.

Someone doesn't understand sarcasm

[Phaedon]

Saphra Deden wrote...
If the Council is dead, why can't I meet the new one? (even if they are just going to give me the finger)

You will.

[Lotion Soronarr]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Saphra as much as you complain about it you are still going to play the game.  You would not be posting here on a daily basis if you had no intention of playing.  and reading or hearing about something is not the same as experiencing it.  So no you don't know the paragon experience.

If she was the only onecomplaning, you might have a point..MIGHT.
But she isn't. Plenty of others, with both Paragon, Renegade, Renagon and Paragade playtroughs feel the same.

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Great let's bring the undead into Mass Effect to appease the whiney renegades.

Nobody suggested that, you twit.

If Shiala is dead why can't I meet Elizabeth Baynham?

If Giana is dead, why can't I meet Lorik Quin?

If the Council is dead, why can't I meet the new one? (even if they are just going to give me the finger)

I can give you the finger if it makes you happy

[KotorEffect3]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Saphra as much as you complain about it you are still going to play the game.  You would not be posting here on a daily basis if you had no intention of playing.  and reading or hearing about something is not the same as experiencing it.  So no you don't know the paragon experience.

If she was the only onecomplaning, you might have a point..MIGHT.
But she isn't. Plenty of others, with both Paragon, Renegade, Renagon and Paragade playtroughs feel the same.

You haters are in the vast minority.  A loud whiney and irritating minority, but still a minority.  I am more excited for this game than I have ever been for a game.

[Lotion Soronarr]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

SykoWolf wrote...

BSN is for people who like Mass Effect, not rip on it!

I don't recall reading that anywhere in the EULA or whatever.

At this point haters like you Saphra are here to troll.  You people have b!tched and made yourselves heard you are just sticking around to get under the skin of people that are actual fans.

Ah yes...the "True Fan" fallacy.

There's nothing sadder then people thumping their chests and expressing their fanboyism....

[KotorEffect3]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

SykoWolf wrote...

BSN is for people who like Mass Effect, not rip on it!

I don't recall reading that anywhere in the EULA or whatever.

At this point haters like you Saphra are here to troll.  You people have b!tched and made yourselves heard you are just sticking around to get under the skin of people that are actual fans.

Ah yes...the "True Fan" fallacy.

There's nothing sadder then people thumping their chests and expressing their fanboyism....

Oh is that so Mr "I am never wrong about anything"

[Unpleasant Implications]

Rip504 wrote...

Obviously I disagree. When I kill something in ME, I am done with it. No I don't want to be bothered by some random NPC that knows nothing of the Rachni Queen, telling me about how I killed it.
Really? How pointless is that?

3 mins of unresolved content is not Bioware tailoring to the Paragon IMO. Sorry,but no Paragon choice has greatly effected the game & left the Renegades at a disadvantage. Anything else is speculation.
Paragon/Renegade is not about reward or content,but rather choice & outcome.

And I don't want to have to walk around a hub world with a bunch of fools trying to talk to me about how they reformed. Seriously, I can ignore them, but it gets grating after awhile.

How pointless is that?

It's about having the choice mean something instead of just being forgotten and tossed to the side.

[Collider]

The problem is that Renegades get less content. They kill people, yes, and those people shouldn't appear again, but they want that to be noticed just as much as if the people had been spared. It's more about equality amongst choices.

That's exactly it.

Some paragons/whatever argue that content from killing people off is nonsensical or impractical.
I don't think it's truly that hard to think of content for the renegade decisions.

In most cases someone would notice that x person/thing was killed and/or that person/thing could conceivably be replaced (as they did Wrex with Wreave).

The Council, for example, always knows and finds out about what Shepard did with the rachni. There could be a conversation in ME2 where the Council discusses that and Shepard gets to respond. I imagine, for example, that the killing of the rachni may look especially bad now that Shepard's with a human supremacist group.

And here's a list of renegade decisions that gave no content in ME2:

1. I don't believe there is a distinction in ME2 (besides maybe the text scroll at the start) between concentrating on sovereign (which gives both paragon and renegade points and thus can be said to be the "neutral" option) and letting the council die (which gives only renegade points).

2. Killing the Rachni Queen.

3. Not saving the hostages in the Bring Down the Sky DLC. The game acts in the same manner as a Shepard that didn't do the DLC at all. Even if you left Balak to the Alliance.

4. Keeping the geth data for the Alliance instead of giving the data to Tali. The game doesn't register this action and thus it's the same thing as not even doing the sidequest. When from a roleplaying standpoint, it really isn't. How Bioware could have implemented denying Tali the data is obvious.

5. Shooting Toombs but sparing the Cerberus scientist/Letting Toombs shoot the scientist without persuasion/Shooting both the scientist and Toombs.

6. Killing the biotic terrorists.

7. Killing the blackmailer in Dr. Michel's quest.

8. Killing Chorban. Shepard could conceivably be contacted by Jahleed instead, as you can scan for Jahleed.

9. Killing Rana Thanoptis. They could have had a replacement. Or, they could have had something like the research and results done on Korlus being weaker or different somehow from Rana's absence.

10. Having Talitha shot.

11. The Negotation quest, no matter how you do it.

12. Killing Fist.

13. Killing Finch.

[Phaedon]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Why did I have to wait for ME3?

So that only people that chose the paragon choice could complain about the Council not believing them. I am not being sarcastic. To play the "I saved your lives and you still don't believe me" and "I made you Councilors and you still don't believe me" cards in the same game is a poor choice.

Albeit, from what I know

Exactly.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Oh is that so Mr "I am never wrong about anything"

Hey, man. You are a nice guy with some good arguments. Don't fall to his level.

Modifié par Phaedon, 05 février 2012 - 12:56 .

[Unpleasant Implications]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Great let's bring the undead into Mass Effect to appease the whiney renegades.

Are you an idiot? They want to be NOTICED, not bring the dead back to life.

Someone doesn't understand sarcasm

You are an idiot. Using sarcasm on the internet is foolish.

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I can give you the finger if it makes you happy

I'd be a lot happier with an intelligent argument but I know I won't get one.

You get what you give

[Phaedon]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Great let's bring the undead into Mass Effect to appease the whiney renegades.

Are you an idiot? They want to be NOTICED, not bring the dead back to life.

Someone doesn't understand sarcasm

You are an idiot. Using sarcasm on the internet is foolish.

So, uh, did you just use sarcasm to answer to your sarcasm of his sarcasm?

[CroGamer002]

Mesina2 wrote...

Paragon = diplomatic hero that wants to save all with less sacrifices possible
Renegade = aggressive anti-hero that doesn't mind to leave destructive path behind to save what can be saved


So I prefer to combine those 2 elements.
You know, to play true pragmatic Shepard not one that pretends to be one.

Gonna add this.

Pure Paragon deserves to get the worst ending for being naive fool.
Same for pure Renegade for being a complete ahole and thinking he/she is pragmatic.

[Phaedon]

Mesina2 wrote...
Gonna add this.

Pure Paragon deserves to get the worst ending for being naive fool.
Same for pure Renegade for being a complete ahole and thinking he/she is pragmatic.

Aye, laddie.

[Exia001]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Saphra as much as you complain about it you are still going to play the game.  You would not be posting here on a daily basis if you had no intention of playing.  and reading or hearing about something is not the same as experiencing it.  So no you don't know the paragon experience.

If she was the only onecomplaning, you might have a point..MIGHT.
But she isn't. Plenty of others, with both Paragon, Renegade, Renagon and Paragade playtroughs feel the same.

You haters are in the vast minority.  A loud whiney and irritating minority, but still a minority.  I am more excited for this game than I have ever been for a game.

Well Good for you...Now I don't agree with more things SD says, in fact sometimes I think hes a complete fool. But you have no right what so ever to get on a horse that high, Asking for a set of replacement NPCs based on context is a small request. No fan is an actual fan, if you play the game and like it...Fan, if you critisize it in a respectable manner...Still a Fan

[KotorEffect3]

Phaedon wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Why did I have to wait for ME3?

So that only people that chose the paragon choice could complain about the Council not believing them. I am not being sarcastic. To play the "I saved your lives and you still don't believe me" and "I made you Councilors and you still don't believe me" cards in the same game is a poor choice.

Albeit, from what I know

Exactly.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Oh is that so Mr "I am never wrong about anything"

Hey, man. You are a nice guy with some good arguments. Don't fall to his level.

Eh I probably just need to give the BSN a break.  Been getting cranky lately.

[Rip504]

If you kill Fist on the Citadel,your Shepard should be in jail. Consider it an unfair advantage.
Paragons have to worry about Fist killing more innocents while obeying the law.
Renegades shoot Fist dead & walk off. No worries. Shepard is NOT a Spectre at this point in ME.
Just a Soldier killing an unarmed defenseless man.

But you feel as if Bioware should throw a party in ME2 over it?
I agree,I also wanted to meet the human council.

[Chewin]

Mesina2 wrote...
Gonna add this.

Pure Paragon deserves to get the worst ending for being naive fool.
Same for pure Renegade for being a complete ahole and thinking he/she is pragmatic.

You should credit the one who posted that first.

Modifié par Chewin3, 05 février 2012 - 01:00 .