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Notho wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Wonder how William.C.Dietz is taking the news?

If I was him, I'd be pissed off.  His reputation has been trashed for mistakes which are in a large part not his own.  While he could no doubt have done a better job, he's fundamentally reliant on the editing process to pick up on lore goofs before the product is released.

In my opinion, Dietz has no one but himself to blame. As the author of a tie-in novel which will be read mainly by fans, you HAVE to do your research or you get a steaming mess like Deception. It appears that, instead of playing the games and reading the previous three books, Mr. Dietz glanced at a few wiki entries and threw the thing together in a week. (Not disrespecting the wiki guys, they do good work.)

And actually, BioWare shares some of the responsibility. Someone up there had to sign off on it. Lets hope this is a lesson they take to heart and practice some real quality control going forward.

He is Correct, im doing weeks worth of research on the lore and stories for a Mod Story idea im working on for a Different game to tie the mod into a certain universe. Its proven hard but I WANT to get it right. Its something an author should do if they accept to write a book. They should know what it is they are writing ABOUT

[izmirtheastarach]

Hello Man wrote...

What I think they're saying Yuaomon is in the Book And I read the the qoutes and pondered the meaning. But It never says out loud he is gay. I get the subtile hints and clues but that could be confusing for someone. Heck even in the wiki it just says he's hinted. But the majority think he's gay and so he shall be.

Just like any of these things, the issues is avoided easily buy simply looking this stuff up on the wiki.

[Yuoaman]

Seriously, even if Dietz had gone through and said that he was bisexual, I would have been fine - but he just ogles the asari like he's been straight all along.

[eqzitara]

Hello Man wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Bluko wrote...

I can Hackett wrote...

in my opinion Hendel Mitra was never confirmed to be homosexual it was suggestive at best

Yes this. I mean I can understand the flipping out over Gillian's and Nick's age for example, since it is extremely hard to believe years have passed since Retribution. Though none of us also know yet what year ME3 takes place in I believe. And the Batarian Embassy as well, though again we cannot be certain that the Batarians didn't somehow manage to get back an embassy. If the book takes place after Arrival, the idea of the Batarians re-establishing an embassy isn't entirely absurd. They did lose 300,000 of their own people to a seemingly terrorist action. I'd say they'd have plenty of "galactic sympathy" to re-open one.

Now granted it's been several months since I read the other books and I'm sorry if I didn't take notes. But I missed the part where Hendel was explicitly labeled as being strictly homosexual. Yes it was implied, but never outright said. I have not gotten to this part of Deception where  Hendel is apparently hitting on women. Also why is it a problem for Hendel to die?

And as for Gillian's Autism. Okay from what I understand Gillian was never truly autistic to begin with. It was more a side effect of Cerberus drugging her on a constant basis that made her appear to be. Now I think in part due to Overlord, people mistake Grissom Academy as being a place for "special" individuals. Really it's suppose to be a Biotic School more then anything else. So the confusion here is a bit understandable, and something like this should have been clarified better.

Actually, Gillian was confirmed as autistic as a young child, long before she started getting drugged by Cerberus - they only served to exacerbate her condition, not create it.

What I think they're saying Yuaomon is in the Book And I read the the qoutes and pondered the meaning. But It never says out loud he is gay. I get the subtile hints and clues but that could be confusing for someone. Heck even in the wiki it just says he's hinted. But the majority think he's gay and so he shall be.

Its hinted and but the author would def. mention something about the prior suggestions....if he read about it.
I dont think the person who made the character would say something along those lines just for it to be skipped over.

Modifié par eqzitara, 04 février 2012 - 02:57 .

[WhiteKnyght]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yeah, I wonder. They literally had to apologize for his book. No matter how responsible Bioware was in this, that can't look good for Dietz.

Wulfram wrote...

I was him, I'd be pissed off.  His reputation has been trashed for  mistakes which are in a large part not his own.  While he could no doubt have done a better job, he's fundamentally reliant on the editing  process to pick up on lore goofs before the product is released.

Every mistake in this book is his. How do you figure they are not? He himself said on day 2 of of this whole thing that he felt it was his responsibility to read all of the books and play all the game. This is what the man does for a living. If he can't do a good job, then he doesn't deserve that living.

Bioware has to take resposibility, because it's their property. But there is plenty of blame to go around.

I think you all are coming down on him too hard.

He's a writer and he's taking over for someone else's work, he's told what they want to happen and he does as best he can. You cant expect him to be an obsessed living encyclopedia of lore, facts, and petty details like half the people on this forum are.

Also I can think of defenses for several of the complaints about Deceptions.

- The citadel, I could see how it'd resemble a star from a distance. What with the five points and all. It could also be called flower-like.

- As for Gillian's age discrepancy, she just caught S.O.R.A.S, the Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome. Its a small retcon condition that many children on TV from soaps to sitcoms suffer. It's where they are aged to a desired point to serve the plot the writer is trying to make.

- As for the part where Gillian gets her new implants in 'a few hours' in a 'non-medical facility'. Don't forget that Jack in ME2 says she was able to learn how to put in her implants by herself and puts in the Upgrade you can buy apparenly own her own in the dark underbelly of the Normandy.

- As for the complaint about Volus with their faces partially exposed. I remember hearing an advertisement on Illum for therapies that Volus and Quarians can take so they can work on places that don't like exo-suits. It apparently has a %40 success rate or something.

- As for the part about Quarians maintaining a warehouse on Omega. Tali mentions that Quarians have safe drop points where they can leave things and Quarians on pilgrimage will find and deliver for them. A warehouse sounds pretty reasonable and it's not like there are any laws stopping them.

- As for the Quarians not getting an embassy. Keep in mind they are outer space nomads with a conclave and  admiralty board. That's not exactly a government. And they are basicallly drifters and nomads without their real home.

- As for the Asari councilwoman using a culturally incorrect exclaimation when she saw Grayson's body. Don't forget that Tali tells people to "go to hell" more than once despite her people pracicing ancestor worship and not any religion that has a netherworld. Being around Anderson and Udina could have caused some of their phrases and whatnot to rub off on her.

- As for the complaint about Kai Leng using a fake ID to get through C-Sec. Remember in ME2 where you can help two Asari get through C-Sec using forgeries stolen from Harkin's hideout? Cerberus could have been one of his customers before he was shut down and Leng's is one.

- As for Aria working with Cerberus after finding out that they killed her daughter. Have you ever heard of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer? She's likely waiting for a chance to get close to Cerberus then screw them while their backs are turned.

- As for Kai Leng formerly being N6. Have you ever heard of a typo? It's probably misstroke of the keyboard that the Del Rey editors missed or didn't notice because they aren't lore obsessed.

- As for Gillian not having to wait in line to get into Afterlife. Have you ever been to a nightclub? Bouncers often let pretty girls in because they make the club more appealing. And Shepard was always allowed in past the lines even after he met Aria's demand for a meeting. Arguably that perk should have been withdrawn after they had their chat.

- Also seeing as Deception takes place after ME2 ends. The Batarians could have opened an embassy on the Citadel, Chora's Den could have reopened, the Red and Blue wards can very much exist as it's not required by law for all the places to fit into a 'theme' and all of the wards have yet to be revealed, and if you count organized crime and everything that doesn't get into C-Sec reports, I could see why they'd have thousands of deaths every day.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 04 février 2012 - 03:01 .

[izmirtheastarach]

You guys read this?

Leak questions geth role in Citadel battle – Alliance News Network

[Balmung31]

Yuoaman wrote...

Seriously, even if Dietz had gone through and said that he was bisexual, I would have been fine - but he just ogles the asari like he's been straight all along.

I think we can all agree that Dietz knew precisely ZILCH about ANY of the characters he was writing. 

So to me, NOTHING he wrote about them is even remotely relevant, regardless of whatever guidelines Bioware gave him.

Modifié par Balmung31, 04 février 2012 - 02:59 .

[eqzitara]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yeah, I wonder. They literally had to apologize for his book. No matter how responsible Bioware was in this, that can't look good for Dietz.

Wulfram wrote...

I was him, I'd be pissed off.  His reputation has been trashed for  mistakes which are in a large part not his own.  While he could no doubt have done a better job, he's fundamentally reliant on the editing  process to pick up on lore goofs before the product is released.

Every mistake in this book is his. How do you figure they are not? He himself said on day 2 of of this whole thing that he felt it was his responsibility to read all of the books and play all the game. This is what the man does for a living. If he can't do a good job, then he doesn't deserve that living.

Bioware has to take resposibility, because it's their property. But there is plenty of blame to go around.

I think you all are coming down on him too hard.

He's a writer and he's taking over for someone else's work, he's told what they want to happen and he does as best he can. You cant expect him to be an obsessed living encyclopedia of lore, facts, and petty details like half the people on this forum are.

Also I can think of defenses for several of the complaints about Deceptions.

- The citadel, I could see how it'd resemble a star from a distance. What with the five points and all. It could also be called flower-like.

- As for Gillian's age discrepancy, she just caught S.O.R.A.S, the Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome. Its a small retcon condition that many children on TV from soaps to sitcoms suffer. It's where they are aged to a desired point to serve the plot the writer is trying to make.

- As for the part where GIllian gets her new implants in 'a few hours' in a 'non-medical facility'. Don't forget that Jack in ME2 says she was able to learn how to put in her implants by herself and puts in the Upgrade you can buy apparenly own her own in the dark underbelly of the Normandy.

- As for the complaint about Volus with their faces partially exposed. I remember hearing an advertisement on Illum for therapies that Volus and Quarians can take so they can work on places that don't like exo-suits. It apparently has a %40 success rate or something.

- As for the part about Quarians maintaining a warehouse on Omega. Tali mentions that Quarians have safe drop points where they can leave things and Quarians on pilgrimage will find and deliver for them. A warehouse sounds pretty reasonable and it's not like there are any laws stopping them.

- As for the Quarians not getting an embassy. Keep in mind they are outer space nomads with a conclave and  admiralty board. That's not exactly a government. And they are basicallly drifters and nomads without their real home.

- As for the Asari councilwoman using a culturally incorrect exclaimation when she saw Grayson's body. Don't forget that Tali tells people to "go to hell" more than once despite her people pracicing ancestor worship and not any religion that has a netherworld. Being around Anderson and Udina could have caused some of their phrases and whatnot to rub off on her.

- As for the complaint about Kai Leng using a fake ID to get through C-Sec. Remember in ME2 where you can help two Asari get through C-Sec using forgeries stolen from Harkin's hideout? Cerberus could have been one of his customers before he was shut down and Leng's is one.

- As for Aria working with Cerberus after finding out that they killed her daughter. Have you ever heard of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer? She's likely waiting for a chance to get close to Cerberus then screw them while their backs are turned.

- As for Kai Leng formerly being N6. Have you ever heard of a typo? It's probably misstroke of the keyboard that the Del Rey editors missed or didn't notice because they aren't lore obsessed.

- As for Gillian not having to wait in line to get into Afterlife. Have you ever been to a nightclub? Bouncers often let pretty girls in because they make the club more appealing. And Shepard was always allowed in past the lines even after he met Aria's demand for a meeting. Arguably that perk should have been withdrawn after they had their chat.

- Also seeing as Deception takes place after ME2 ends. The Batarians could have opened an embassy on the Citadel, Chora's Den could have reopened, the Red and Blue wards can very much exist as it's not required by law for all the places to fit into a 'theme' and all of the wards have yet to be revealed, and if you count organized crime and everything that doesn't get into C-Sec reports, I could see why they'd have thousands of deaths every day.

In Mass Effect 2, it is revealed that after the Battle of the Citadel,
Chora's Den never reopened for business. It is replaced by the Dark Star Lounge in the Zakera Ward.
By the way thats alot of tabs.... to address all the mistakes listed in the compendium. You need around a couple hundred more.

Modifié par eqzitara, 04 février 2012 - 03:01 .

[izmirtheastarach]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I think you all are coming down on him too hard.

It this is the case, then why did Bioware just publicaly apologize for the errors and promise to re-edit the book?

Either way, we can all come up with plenty of explanations. That's not the point, though. Dietz provides no explanations. I want to be able to read the book without having to stop every two pages and think long and hard about how I can get it to make sense. It should make sense on the page, should it not? If there is an explanation needed, it should be provided there in the text.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 04 février 2012 - 03:02 .

[Balmung31]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

You guys read this?

Leak questions geth role in Citadel battle – Alliance News Network

Could be one of the CDN reports that'll start 2 weeks before the game launches.

Which, actually, I'd almost forgotten about.  Better make a reminder to boot up ME2 in about 2 weeks.

[WhiteKnyght]

eqzitara wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yeah, I wonder. They literally had to apologize for his book. No matter how responsible Bioware was in this, that can't look good for Dietz.

Wulfram wrote...

I was him, I'd be pissed off.  His reputation has been trashed for  mistakes which are in a large part not his own.  While he could no doubt have done a better job, he's fundamentally reliant on the editing  process to pick up on lore goofs before the product is released.

Every mistake in this book is his. How do you figure they are not? He himself said on day 2 of of this whole thing that he felt it was his responsibility to read all of the books and play all the game. This is what the man does for a living. If he can't do a good job, then he doesn't deserve that living.

Bioware has to take resposibility, because it's their property. But there is plenty of blame to go around.

I think you all are coming down on him too hard.

He's a writer and he's taking over for someone else's work, he's told what they want to happen and he does as best he can. You cant expect him to be an obsessed living encyclopedia of lore, facts, and petty details like half the people on this forum are.

Also I can think of defenses for several of the complaints about Deceptions.

- The citadel, I could see how it'd resemble a star from a distance. What with the five points and all. It could also be called flower-like.

- As for Gillian's age discrepancy, she just caught S.O.R.A.S, the Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome. Its a small retcon condition that many children on TV from soaps to sitcoms suffer. It's where they are aged to a desired point to serve the plot the writer is trying to make.

- As for the part where GIllian gets her new implants in 'a few hours' in a 'non-medical facility'. Don't forget that Jack in ME2 says she was able to learn how to put in her implants by herself and puts in the Upgrade you can buy apparenly own her own in the dark underbelly of the Normandy.

- As for the complaint about Volus with their faces partially exposed. I remember hearing an advertisement on Illum for therapies that Volus and Quarians can take so they can work on places that don't like exo-suits. It apparently has a %40 success rate or something.

- As for the part about Quarians maintaining a warehouse on Omega. Tali mentions that Quarians have safe drop points where they can leave things and Quarians on pilgrimage will find and deliver for them. A warehouse sounds pretty reasonable and it's not like there are any laws stopping them.

- As for the Quarians not getting an embassy. Keep in mind they are outer space nomads with a conclave and  admiralty board. That's not exactly a government. And they are basicallly drifters and nomads without their real home.

- As for the Asari councilwoman using a culturally incorrect exclaimation when she saw Grayson's body. Don't forget that Tali tells people to "go to hell" more than once despite her people pracicing ancestor worship and not any religion that has a netherworld. Being around Anderson and Udina could have caused some of their phrases and whatnot to rub off on her.

- As for the complaint about Kai Leng using a fake ID to get through C-Sec. Remember in ME2 where you can help two Asari get through C-Sec using forgeries stolen from Harkin's hideout? Cerberus could have been one of his customers before he was shut down and Leng's is one.

- As for Aria working with Cerberus after finding out that they killed her daughter. Have you ever heard of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer? She's likely waiting for a chance to get close to Cerberus then screw them while their backs are turned.

- As for Kai Leng formerly being N6. Have you ever heard of a typo? It's probably misstroke of the keyboard that the Del Rey editors missed or didn't notice because they aren't lore obsessed.

- As for Gillian not having to wait in line to get into Afterlife. Have you ever been to a nightclub? Bouncers often let pretty girls in because they make the club more appealing. And Shepard was always allowed in past the lines even after he met Aria's demand for a meeting. Arguably that perk should have been withdrawn after they had their chat.

- Also seeing as Deception takes place after ME2 ends. The Batarians could have opened an embassy on the Citadel, Chora's Den could have reopened, the Red and Blue wards can very much exist as it's not required by law for all the places to fit into a 'theme' and all of the wards have yet to be revealed, and if you count organized crime and everything that doesn't get into C-Sec reports, I could see why they'd have thousands of deaths every day.

In Mass Effect 2, it is revealed that after the Battle of the Citadel,
Chora's Den never reopened for business. It is replaced by the Dark Star Lounge in the Zakera Ward.
By the way thats alot of tabs.... to address all the mistakes listed in the compendium. You need around a couple hundred more.

Deception takes place after Mass Effect 2. Chora's Den could have been reopened in a new location. It's not like that kind of situation never happens.

Also I don't have time to address every discrepancy the ME Zealots have nitpicked.

[swphreak]

Requested a refund from Amazon, and got it an hour later. They don't even want the book back.

[AVPen]

Ok, I've actually just started reading Ascension and I gotta say, I am literally laughing my ass off at not just the far better prose of Karpyshyn over Dietz, but at just how different (and correct to his portrayal in ME2) the Illusive Man is shown between both novels:

Ascension:

As a man of vision, he understood this. Without Cerberus, humanity was doomed to an existence of groveling subservience at the feet of alien masters. Still, there were those who would call what he did criminal. Unethical. Amoral. History would vindicate him, but until it did he and his followers were forced to exist in hiding, working toward their goals in secret.

Deception:

“Yes, you did,” the Illusive Man agreed, as he flicked ash into a tray made of black oynx. “But you may recall that we were forced to leave Grayson’s body behind as we fled the space station. That allowed David Anderson and Kahlee Sanders to preserve the corpse and use it as part of a presentation to the Citadel Council. And in spite of Anderson and Sanders’s efforts to warn the Council members about the Reapers, they blame Cerberus for what took place. I don’t like that. Our credibility is at stake.”

Modifié par AVPen, 04 février 2012 - 03:08 .

[CELL55]

 Hey thanks! I think I'll buy the re-edited edition just to show my appreciation, even though I already have a copy. For the record, I don't think it was a bad story, it just had a lot of holes in the canon. Heh, 'canon holes'.

[izmirtheastarach]

Best line of the book. I WILL ADVANCE THE CAUSE OF HUMANITY AS ANY COST.

Oh wait, my credibility is at stake? Well that's upsetting.

[WhiteKnyght]

swphreak wrote...

Requested a refund from Amazon, and got it an hour later. They don't even want the book back.

Rather than burn the book out of hate. You should donate it to your local library. Somebody who doesn't care about some inaccuracies could get some enjoyment out of it.

[izmirtheastarach]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

swphreak wrote...

Requested a refund from Amazon, and got it an hour later. They don't even want the book back.

Rather than burn the book out of hate. You should donate it to your local library. Somebody who doesn't care about some inaccuracies could get some enjoyment out of it.

Maybe a 3rd grader.

[Yuoaman]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yeah, I wonder. They literally had to apologize for his book. No matter how responsible Bioware was in this, that can't look good for Dietz.

Wulfram wrote...

I was him, I'd be pissed off.  His reputation has been trashed for  mistakes which are in a large part not his own.  While he could no doubt have done a better job, he's fundamentally reliant on the editing  process to pick up on lore goofs before the product is released.

Every mistake in this book is his. How do you figure they are not? He himself said on day 2 of of this whole thing that he felt it was his responsibility to read all of the books and play all the game. This is what the man does for a living. If he can't do a good job, then he doesn't deserve that living.

Bioware has to take resposibility, because it's their property. But there is plenty of blame to go around.

I think you all are coming down on him too hard.

He's a writer and he's taking over for someone else's work, he's told what they want to happen and he does as best he can. You cant expect him to be an obsessed living encyclopedia of lore, facts, and petty details like half the people on this forum are.

Also I can think of defenses for several of the complaints about Deceptions.

- The citadel, I could see how it'd resemble a star from a distance. What with the five points and all. It could also be called flower-like.

- As for Gillian's age discrepancy, she just caught S.O.R.A.S, the Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome. Its a small retcon condition that many children on TV from soaps to sitcoms suffer. It's where they are aged to a desired point to serve the plot the writer is trying to make.

- As for the part where Gillian gets her new implants in 'a few hours' in a 'non-medical facility'. Don't forget that Jack in ME2 says she was able to learn how to put in her implants by herself and puts in the Upgrade you can buy apparenly own her own in the dark underbelly of the Normandy.

- As for the complaint about Volus with their faces partially exposed. I remember hearing an advertisement on Illum for therapies that Volus and Quarians can take so they can work on places that don't like exo-suits. It apparently has a %40 success rate or something.

- As for the part about Quarians maintaining a warehouse on Omega. Tali mentions that Quarians have safe drop points where they can leave things and Quarians on pilgrimage will find and deliver for them. A warehouse sounds pretty reasonable and it's not like there are any laws stopping them.

- As for the Quarians not getting an embassy. Keep in mind they are outer space nomads with a conclave and  admiralty board. That's not exactly a government. And they are basicallly drifters and nomads without their real home.

- As for the Asari councilwoman using a culturally incorrect exclaimation when she saw Grayson's body. Don't forget that Tali tells people to "go to hell" more than once despite her people pracicing ancestor worship and not any religion that has a netherworld. Being around Anderson and Udina could have caused some of their phrases and whatnot to rub off on her.

- As for the complaint about Kai Leng using a fake ID to get through C-Sec. Remember in ME2 where you can help two Asari get through C-Sec using forgeries stolen from Harkin's hideout? Cerberus could have been one of his customers before he was shut down and Leng's is one.

- As for Aria working with Cerberus after finding out that they killed her daughter. Have you ever heard of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer? She's likely waiting for a chance to get close to Cerberus then screw them while their backs are turned.

- As for Kai Leng formerly being N6. Have you ever heard of a typo? It's probably misstroke of the keyboard that the Del Rey editors missed or didn't notice because they aren't lore obsessed.

- As for Gillian not having to wait in line to get into Afterlife. Have you ever been to a nightclub? Bouncers often let pretty girls in because they make the club more appealing. And Shepard was always allowed in past the lines even after he met Aria's demand for a meeting. Arguably that perk should have been withdrawn after they had their chat.

- Also seeing as Deception takes place after ME2 ends. The Batarians could have opened an embassy on the Citadel, Chora's Den could have reopened, the Red and Blue wards can very much exist as it's not required by law for all the places to fit into a 'theme' and all of the wards have yet to be revealed, and if you count organized crime and everything that doesn't get into C-Sec reports, I could see why they'd have thousands of deaths every day.

-But it's never fully open, it's always about half open, it doesn't look like a star at all.

-That's not a valid defense for a series with continuity, it's bull****.

-That's gameplay and story segregation, first of all, and who's to say that Mordin didn't perform that surgery - he is a very skilled physician.

-It is a government, their officials are elected and the system has been stable for centuries, the asari government is more unstable.

-Except every asari has always used the phrase "By the Goddess" in the past, none have used "My God".

-You were just changing their credentials, you weren't giving them new identities.

-Except Invasion would have made reference to the events, it does not.

-Except the Bioware editors should have caught it.

-Gillian has never been described as particularly attractive, and there was never mention of any security.

-They hadn't opened an embassy by the time of Retribution, and if they had only just opened one it would have warranted comment, and having more deaths on the Citadel than any country on earth is ****ING RIDICULOUS.

[AVPen]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

swphreak wrote...

Requested a refund from Amazon, and got it an hour later. They don't even want the book back.

Rather than burn the book out of hate. You should donate it to your local library. Somebody who doesn't care about some inaccuracies could get some enjoyment out of it.

Which library? A middle school library? I can tell you that they have far better written and more engaging sci-fi novels there than what "Mass Effect: Deception" is. <_<

[izmirtheastarach]

The young adult novel Eragon, written by a 19 year old, contains better writing then this Deception.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 04 février 2012 - 03:15 .

[WhiteKnyght]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Best line of the book. I WILL ADVANCE THE CAUSE OF HUMANITY AS ANY COST.

Oh wait, my credibility is at stake? Well that's upsetting.

Well I can see why the Illusive Man doesn't want his dirty laundry being made public.

Cerberus wants to be known as Pro-Human. Seeing what they did to Paul Grayson would sour human opinion of them. Even if the Alliance labels them as terrorists, plenty of humans, like their sponsors, think they wouldn't do something like that to one of their own.

The truth of it is, Mr Jack Harper doesn't want people to know that his real goal is to put himself on top of the galaxy and to hell, or worse, with anybody who gets in his way. He'd probably rather see humanity burn with the rest of the galactic community than see humanity rise with someone else as their leader Like Commander Shepard, a natural leader who can inspire people to follow him without a big fat checkbook.

[Yuoaman]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

The young adult novel Eragon, written by a 19 year old, contains better writing then this Deception.

Eragon is actually one of my guilty pleasure books - and yeah, even its ridiculously cliched writing is much better than Deception.

[Yuoaman]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Best line of the book. I WILL ADVANCE THE CAUSE OF HUMANITY AS ANY COST.

Oh wait, my credibility is at stake? Well that's upsetting.

Well I can see why the Illusive Man doesn't want his dirty laundry being made public.

Cerberus wants to be known as Pro-Human. Seeing what they did to Paul Grayson would sour human opinion of them. Even if the Alliance labels them as terrorists, plenty of humans, like their sponsors, think they wouldn't do something like that to one of their own.

The truth of it is, Mr Jack Harper doesn't want people to know that his real goal is to put himself on top of the galaxy and to hell, or worse, with anybody who gets in his way. He'd probably rather see humanity burn with the rest of the galactic community than see humanity rise with someone else as their leader Like Commander Shepard, a natural leader who can inspire people to follow him without a big fat checkbook.

Exept previous portrayals of the man have shown him to care more for the long term - he wouldn't care if Cerberus was made to look bad at the moment if it would further the cause of humanity, he's a dedicated guy.