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The Grey Nayr wrote...

Well I can see why the Illusive Man doesn't want his dirty laundry being made public.

Cerberus wants to be known as Pro-Human. Seeing what they did to Paul Grayson would sour human opinion of them. Even if the Alliance labels them as terrorists, plenty of humans, like their sponsors, think they wouldn't do something like that to one of their own.

The truth of it is, Mr Jack Harper doesn't want people to know that his real goal is to put himself on top of the galaxy and to hell, or worse, with anybody who gets in his way. He'd probably rather see humanity burn with the rest of the galactic community than see humanity rise with someone else as their leader Like Commander Shepard, a natural leader who can inspire people to follow him without a big fat checkbook.


Did you read the book? He's upset because the council believes that he's a bad guy. At no point in ME2 did that ever concern him at all.

EDIT: Yuoman, why do you keep doing this to me?

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 04 février 2012 - 03:20 .


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Is it just me or is their one person who keeps arguing against everything everyone says...

I am done lol.

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izmirtheastarach wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Well I can see why the Illusive Man doesn't want his dirty laundry being made public.

Cerberus wants to be known as Pro-Human. Seeing what they did to Paul Grayson would sour human opinion of them. Even if the Alliance labels them as terrorists, plenty of humans, like their sponsors, think they wouldn't do something like that to one of their own.

The truth of it is, Mr Jack Harper doesn't want people to know that his real goal is to put himself on top of the galaxy and to hell, or worse, with anybody who gets in his way. He'd probably rather see humanity burn with the rest of the galactic community than see humanity rise with someone else as their leader Like Commander Shepard, a natural leader who can inspire people to follow him without a big fat checkbook.


Did you read the book? He's upset because the council believes that he's a bad guy. At no point in ME2 did that every concern him at all.

EDIT: Yuoman, why do you keep doing this to me?

Nor did he read the comics.

I am gonna write its dark outside and he will argue it.

Modifié par eqzitara, 04 février 2012 - 03:22 .


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AVPen wrote...
Deception:

“Yes, you did,” the Illusive Man agreed, as he flicked ash into a tray made of black oynx. “But you may recall that we were forced to leave Grayson’s body behind as we fled the space station. That allowed David Anderson and Kahlee Sanders to preserve the corpse and use it as part of a presentation to the Citadel Council. And in spite of Anderson and Sanders’s efforts to warn the Council members about the Reapers, they blame Cerberus for what took place. I don’t like that. Our credibility is at stake.”


Hey, did this one get written down in the dock? TIM says "we" fled the space station. Now that's true when it came to how Paul escaped, but TIM wasn't involved when Leng "lefted the body behind" at the Biotic School.

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The Grey Nayr wrote...

- As for the complaint about Volus with their faces partially exposed. I remember hearing an advertisement on Illum for therapies that Volus and Quarians can take so they can work on places that don't like exo-suits. It apparently has a %40 success rate or something.


This one is really funny. Yes, quarians can take off their suits (and get nasty infection), because they live in same PRESSURE like humans, turians etc. Volus wearing pressure suits and when you make even a small hole in pressure suit, it lost pressure. Volus will probaly end like deepsea fish caught by fisherman - in better case will "only" die on decompression, in worst exploded.

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Yeah, I'm not sure what the point is in arguing with this, now that Bioware has publicly acknowledged to validity of the argument we were making.

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Honestly, I'm pleasantly surprised that they've made a public statement.

I'd say the magnitude of this ****storm certainly warranted it; but I figured Bioware would stick to policy and just hunker down and wait for it to pass.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 04 février 2012 - 03:25 .


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izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yeah, I'm not sure what the point is in arguing with this, now that Bioware has publicly acknowledged to validity of the argument we were making.


EXACTLY. 

As I said, nothing Dietz wrote is relevant anymore. 

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Never mind having post errors here just a sec.

Modifié par Genshie, 04 février 2012 - 03:26 .


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izmirtheastarach wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Well I can see why the Illusive Man doesn't want his dirty laundry being made public.

Cerberus wants to be known as Pro-Human. Seeing what they did to Paul Grayson would sour human opinion of them. Even if the Alliance labels them as terrorists, plenty of humans, like their sponsors, think they wouldn't do something like that to one of their own.

The truth of it is, Mr Jack Harper doesn't want people to know that his real goal is to put himself on top of the galaxy and to hell, or worse, with anybody who gets in his way. He'd probably rather see humanity burn with the rest of the galactic community than see humanity rise with someone else as their leader Like Commander Shepard, a natural leader who can inspire people to follow him without a big fat checkbook.


Did you read the book? He's upset because the council believes that he's a bad guy. At no point in ME2 did that ever concern him at all.

EDIT: Yuoman, why do you keep doing this to me?


It's either chance or sabotage, take your pick.

:devil:

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Balmung31 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yeah, I'm not sure what the point is in arguing with this, now that Bioware has publicly acknowledged to validity of the argument we were making.


EXACTLY. 

As I said, nothing Dietz wrote is relevant anymore. 


I agree with you assesment of the situation.

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Just correcting errors isn't enough to fix this problem. 

They should go further and change the story so that it has no
significant effect on canon whatsoever.

Namely,  the final canon version of Dietz's novel shouldn't be killing off any major characters.
  You can only revise the novel so much and its never going to be of
sufficient quality to suffice as a satisfactory conclusion for these
character's story arcs.

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Genshie: Without going into major spoiler territory, the Adjutants have nothing to do with the Grayson/Reaper tech experiment in Retribution or Cerberus's plan to make "an army of Graysons" which is discussed at the end of Deception.

Modifié par AVPen, 04 février 2012 - 03:32 .


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Bluko wrote...

I can Hackett wrote...

in my opinion Hendel Mitra was never confirmed to be homosexual it was suggestive at best


Yes this.

Now granted it's been several months since I read the other books and I'm sorry if I didn't take notes. But I missed the part where Hendel was explicitly labeled as being strictly homosexual. Yes it was implied, but never outright said. I have not gotten to this part of Deception where  Hendel is apparently hitting on women. Also why is it a problem for Hendel to die?

Kahlee said/thought to herself he was gay and not interested in women at least 4 times in the first half of the novel.

- She tells herself when a girl is talking to Hendel that the girl is wasting her time.
- She laughs when her boyfriend suggests her and Hendel were together at some point.
- Then she says she's not Hendel's type... but her boyfriend might be.
- She is amused when Gillian says she wants Hendel to marry her and says he wouldn't want that.

And Kahlee knew him very well (and probably tried to get with him due to her personality) at the time of Ascension. Drew would have not said he was only interested in men if it weren't true.

It was not suggested. It was outright stated.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 04 février 2012 - 03:32 .


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So long as the revisions aren't done by Dietz, I'm okay with this. At least until we see the revisions. Oh, and Dietz needs to give back any money he was paid to write this book.

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Just correcting errors isn't enough to fix this problem. 

They should go further and change the story so that it has no significant effect on canon whatsoever.

Namely,  the final canon version of Dietz's novel shouldn't be killing off any major characters.   You can only revise the novel so much and its never going to be of sufficient quality to suffice as a satisfactory conclusion for these character's story arcs.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 04 février 2012 - 03:32 .


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I thought two of the points of the book itself was to explain where these Adjutants came from making it sound that Grayson was the proto type for them also why Cerberus maybe doing what they are doing in ME3 (can't go into details but if you read the recent demo reviews you get a general idea) : Image IPB

Modifié par Genshie, 04 février 2012 - 03:33 .


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Genshie wrote...

I thought two of the points of the book itself was to explain where these Adjutants came from making it sound that Grayson was the proto type for them also why Cerberus maybe doing what they are doing in ME3 : Image IPB

Read my previous post.

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so they will be remaking deception...what did we really achieve?

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Hellbound555 wrote...

so they will be remaking deception...what did we really achieve?


We got an admission of the fact that there were big problems with it. That's all we get. They can't really fix it, but they are making an effort. That's what counts,

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AVPen wrote...

Genshie: Without going into major spoiler territory, the Adjutants have nothing to do with the Grayson/Reaper tech experiment in Retribution or Cerberus's plan to make "an army of Graysons" which is discussed at the end of Deception.

I read all the books and comics. And unless you read the unofficial leaked script how do you know for certain? And that is not really fair to the writers at all if you are pulling info from something that isn't already released. If anything this was fail misinterpretation between the writer and Bioware itself.

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Hellbound555 wrote...

so they will be remaking deception...what did we really achieve?


Actualy I think that we achieved more then remake of Deception. We showed them that we didn't accept half-maded book, with high probability erased Dietz from ME authors and Bioware will be now more careful with choosing freelancers and editing their work. Result of our achieving is investment to future book.

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Yuoaman wrote...

-But it's never fully open, it's always about half open, it doesn't look like a star at all.

-That's not a valid defense for a series with continuity, it's bull****.

-That's gameplay and story segregation, first of all, and who's to say that Mordin didn't perform that surgery - he is a very skilled physician.

-It is a government, their officials are elected and the system has been stable for centuries, the asari government is more unstable.

-Except every asari has always used the phrase "By the Goddess" in the past, none have used "My God".

-You were just changing their credentials, you weren't giving them new identities.

-Except Invasion would have made reference to the events, it does not.

-Except the Bioware editors should have caught it.

-Gillian has never been described as particularly attractive, and there was never mention of any security.

-They hadn't opened an embassy by the time of Retribution, and if they had only just opened one it would have warranted comment, and having more deaths on the Citadel than any country on earth is ****ING RIDICULOUS.


- It's close enough.

- Plenty of shows with continuity have done it. Also keep in mind that a game series driven by player's choice doesn't have much of a canon.

- Jack specifically mentions that she learned how to do it herself because of her situations. That's not gameplay vs story because it's not some mechanic that can be applied to every character. It's personal to her. I wouldn't see Jack trusting anybody enough to let them screw around inside her head after her upbringing. Mordin is no exception.

- It could also be an excuse because they really just don't like Quarians.They carry some stigma for creating the Geth. And that confronation between Lia'Vael and the volus shows that there is some dislike and mistrust of Quarians.

- To assume that every Asari would use the phrase because all the ones you've seen thus far have is racial profiling. You cant judge everybody the same way. People talk the way they want to talk. Or the Asari councilwoman might be an athiest and not believe in her culture's goddess. Meaning she is free to use any exclaimations she wishes.

- Except that Harkin was able to give Sidonis a whole new identity. One that C-Sec apparently didn't catch. And he wasn't the first. "Fade" was able to pull it off because he knew how C-Sec's protocols and software work.

- I cant tell what you're talking about Invasion making references to. ME Invasion is like 30 years before the main  series so I don't see how it relates to anything happening other than explaining how T.I.M got his eyes and got the idea for his organization.

- It's a one character typo. The Dragon Age novel The Calling actually made Cailan four years older than he actually was and nobody caught it until after it was released. Not to mention other discrepancies that people pay no mind to because it's petty!

- Gillian looks very attractive on the cover of the book. She grew up hot. Or are you going to start bashing the artwork now and make Bioware/DelRey change that too?

- Deception also takes place chronologically after Retribution. Also why would they mention it? Unless it's relevant to the plot or what's going on, it'd just be a waste of space. There very well could be a Batarian Embassy in ME3. We wont know until we play it.

- Also careful. Use of strong language(like the s-word and the f-bomb) is against forum rules. Even censoring it is still not really allowed.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 04 février 2012 - 03:52 .


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JamesFaith wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

so they will be remaking deception...what did we really achieve?


Actualy I think that we achieved more then remake of Deception. We showed them that we didn't accept half-maded book, with high probability erased Dietz from ME authors and Bioware will be now more careful with choosing freelancers and editing their work. Result of our achieving is investment to future book.

You can also say that this has improved the relations between Bioware and its fanbase showing that both sides care for a specific franchise.

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The Grey Nayr wrote...

- Also careful. Use of strong language(like the s-word and the f-bomb) is against forum rules. Even censoring it is still not really allowed.


Not to nitpick, but trolling and putting up posts that take up half a page are also against the rules. 

You are insisting on having an argument about an issues that has already been settled.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 04 février 2012 - 03:42 .