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[BentOrgy]

I love how people are still trying to act "Cool," and "Mature," by calling us nitpickers and entitled babies.

The official Wiki issued a "Please make it go away," letter, then Bioware officially apologized for this pedestrian filth Dietz called a "Novel."

Doesn't that tell you something?

EDIT: Ohey, top of page, don't I feel special.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 04 février 2012 - 09:37 .

[creiGn]

It's obvious that Dietz did not give a damn about this book. What more worrying is that Bioware does not care about it either.

I'm still unable to understand how could they let this "thing" be published. A little editing or an overhaul will definitely not be enough. Deception should be discarded completely and a new book should be written by Drew Karpyshyn. Wish he was still working on Mass Effect, not on TOR.

[Demigod]

The sad mess that is this book shows the wisdom of Lucas Arts in having a lore guru, and both Core cannon and an expanded universe. While many Starwars books are junk of the first order they dont in fact impinge on the core cannon (which junkiness is debatable but I still love Starwars)

If Bioware want to maintain the Mass effect universe they need a lore guru to check the books comics and yes games. While not as immediately necessary the game devs are to busy to check everything they need someone who can look over their shoulder to make sure cannon isnt broken by a simple mistake. As has been shown by this disgrace of a book they need one for the expanded universe to make sure the authors know what they are writing about and not let enthusiasm for the subject (or payday) disguise the fact that they know nothing other than the briefing doc they got when the signed on to write the book.

It could be argued Casey or Mac should fill this role, but I cant see them having the time. But Bioware needs a lore guru, perhaps for all their games to make sure things like this don't happen again. I cant see Del Ray making more than cosmetic changes, too much needs changing in this book. It needs a rewrite and that would be very costly for a game tie in, it wouldn't be economical. Until we have an official message saying more than "we are listening" and a "number of changes" will be made, I will be very skeptical that anything meaningful will be changed.
I know that cant happen though, for them to actually say we will be changing x but not y would tank the sales of the book and any rewrite along with it. It would be nice to know what is being changed but to be honest I cant see anything other than a rewrite making a difference to much needs changing. 

Yes some may say its only a tie in book and not important but Bioware needs to show respect for its own universe, and without meaning to sound parsimonius, respect for its fans. The many errors in this book shows those at bioware who did read it could not have had time to do so properly or the many many obvious mistakes should not have come through.

Modifié par Demigod, 04 février 2012 - 09:58 .

[alex90c]

Funny how everyone is hating on Bioware, and then the moment they send some vague apology, a whole session of arse-kissing begins.

[Airell]

So when will they re release the updated verison? With all the corrections. I will read it then:)

[Esbatty]

Lore Guru... Continuity Editor... BW you need one of these.

[LPPrince]

From Kotaku-

TempestBlast wrote...

Wait, how does the "patch" work? I have read the list of errors on that Google website and the mess that was made is more in the plot/story/continuity area. The mistakes are not really grammar or spell check related.

There really is no video game equivalent of the same type of mistake that this book has made. (Unless you count the many Bible revisions that have been made, but that is a different story) The best thing they can do at this point is just call "Deception" fan-fiction so it could not be connected to the canon of the Mass Effect Universe.

[CroGamer002]

^I guess Bioware wanted events of Deception that happen to have some connection for ME3, only Dietz screw it up so they'll need to redo it.

Modifié par Mesina2, 04 février 2012 - 10:18 .

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Wow that’s more replies than I have the time to deal with.
I’ll just reply to the first few ppl every1, and reply to the rest tomorrow. =P

[NOD-INFORMER37]

@Yuoaman I understand the value of money just fine, my point is; it was *only 8 bucks*. Compared to most other books it could've been alot worse.

You’re right I'm sure not everyone was able to find about it until afterwards but still if they found the book was bad themselves(which is a few pages into the book appereantly) and/or looked into the reviews at all, theres still time to return it.

Many book stores I know of do returns. Even without the receipt you can still get a store credit at least, the only exceptions I can think of is buying digital or ordering it overseas.

Listing the all the problems big and small I understand, but some of them (like the ones I mentioned) dont even seem like problems. Just seems like someone didnt like how it sounded and decided to throw it in with the real problems, which makes me wonder if many things anti-fans say are really legit.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

@jreezy Ok, Chris Priestly *said* it would be fixed. “We are currently working on a number of changes that will appear in future editions of the novel.“

Its sure better than ignoring everyone dont you think? Most companies wouldn’t even acknowledge the problem.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

@Phaedon I completely agree, all flaws are flaws (especially many little ones) and its good ppl address them but I think you guys are missing my point. I understand the book was severely messed up but some flaws like the ones I mentioned aren’t really flaws at all. The author’s gotta have some ingenuity,if he makes up a new slang word for a certain race or if he extends the universe biotics a little bit then whats the big deal? Saying stuff like that is part of the problem only distracts from what the real problems are.

Anyways hopefully Dietz will learn from his mistakes so we’ll have better books in the future.

[LPPrince]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

Anyways hopefully Dietz will learn from his mistakes so we’ll have better books in the future.

Lemme correct that for you-

Anyways hopefully Dietz will learn from his mistakes so HE'LL have better books in the future.

Cause I'd rather he never work on a Mass Effect product ever again.

[NPH11]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

@Phaedon I know there are serious errors in the book, but some ppl just attack every last detail of it, almost as if they do it just for the sake of bashing Dietz hard work, even if it is flawed. Like the "asari air kisses", (where Gillian and another asari cause the air around them to crackle with biotic energy) or that derogatory term used on quarians, why is stuff like that a huge deal? Lots of books based on franchises add little things like that, cant a guy use his imagination? That doesnt excuse the major errors no, but still.

Well, yeah. Of course people are attacking basically every detail. This book, as it stands, really has no redeemable qualities. Lore errors aside, it's simply not that good (and that's me being generous).

The stuff you mentioned obviously isn't a big deal. That's why the deception topic was focused on the major issues and not the minor nitpicks. Generally, however, if you're working on a book with an established canon, it's best not to deviate from that canon. I really don't care about Quarians being called "gas-suckers" or "asari-style air kisses", but they were unnecessary additions. When you're already getting so much wrong, it's hard to accept the author throwing something new in.

Point is, somebody dropped the ball here. And that ball proceeded to roll off a cliff. I'm glad Bioware is making some effort to remedy the situation, but that doesn't help those who already bought the book, a book that should've been done correctly the first time. Also, as I said before, it would take almost a complete rewrite and reworking of the plot to put Deception on par with the Karpyshyn novels.

Modifié par NPH11, 04 février 2012 - 10:52 .

[McAllyster]

I hope all of us who bought the Kindle edition acquires the updated version for free.

[1483749283]

 It's unfortunate that so much stress was placed on the canonical errors and so little stress was placed on the way the beloved characters from previous novels were literally and figuratively  butchered. 

The first can be fixed easily, but the second cannot without rewriting the whole book from scratch. 

While we can always hope that the rewriting will take place, more than likely what will happen is that x% of the google docs will be fixed without tackling the larger thematic malaise of the novel. 

I hope I'm wrong. I'm willing to give bioware the benefit of the doubt, but my wager is still on someone having a fatal encounter with a toothbrush. God, I wish I could wash that scene from my mind. 

[ZLurps]

JamesFaith wrote...

Lasien wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Lasien wrote...

Just wondering, as I haven't read the book. Does the book say you can see their faces, or does it say their faces are uncovered? Because you could make a pressurized suit with a see-through headpiece made of pressurized plactic or glass.

I found this quote.

Hobar's facial expression if any was hidden by the mask which covered most of his face. 
 

It sounds like the majority of the errors were a result of someone who wasn't very familiar with the ME universe writing on a tight deadline and lax proofreading. In other words - the book was pushed through with a leaning towards speed rather than quality - to coincide with release.

Actually was deadline changed two or three times. If I remember correct this book was originally planned on end of summer or such, so DIetz got about more 4, 5 months. But I also know that he work on book from his own universe which was release on November, so he maybe neglected ME prior to it, but this is only my opinion.

It was supposed to be released October 2011, same time Invasion comic #1 was published.

That Deception makes somethings in Invasion practically impossible to happen is one of the screw ups that made me certain that there were huge issues in how this all were handled. Also, why in the world would Walters let something written by outsider contradict his own work.

[ZLurps]

McAllyster wrote...

I hope all of us who bought the Kindle edition acquires the updated version for free.

Time will tell but even I would get revised edition for free I'm going to check reviews before reading it. For me it looks like it's very difficult to make this novel even decent by just editing.

[Merchant2006]

GREAT SUCCESS.

I feel so happy.

[roflchoppaz]

Luc0s wrote...

I don't understand why so many people are happy with this news.

I'm not happy until BioWare confirms that they're going to rewrite this piece of garbage with a new author. Or BioWare simply declaring this novel as non-canon so a completely new book can be written (NOT by Dietz) would be fine too.

Same here, actually. I wouldn't say I'm 'happy'.

I'm just glad that they finally acknowledged it sucks, that they listened. Most companies just ignore ****ty reception and move along.

[reeot]

First of: Thank you Mr. Priestly for responding.

An important matter to me are the localized versions of "Mass Effect: Deception".
Since my native language is german it would be "Mass Effect: Blendwerk" to me.
It'll be released on the 13th of february and I assume that its already been printed and ready to ship. So I'm curious what Bioware and Panini Comics will do under this new circumstances.

Furthermore i look forward to the new version of deception.
After the many, many errors the fanbase had found, a rewrite from ground up would be appropriate.
And if they don't, I hope they take a look in this exquisite Google Doc.

Let's face it. This should never had happend. At least the guys at Bioware are able to apologize.
*thumbs up*

One last thing to say. Its my own opinion and others don't have to agree with it:
Better wait till Drew got time do it, than publish such a "lore meltdown" (quality over quantity!)

Modifié par reeot, 04 février 2012 - 11:38 .

[BentOrgy]

Demigod wrote...

*Snip to avoid possible pyramids*

The idea of a "Lore Guru," is brilliant. You think Bioware would have caught the idea themselves, considering ever since 2007 they've talked about how many "White boards," of notes and plot lines they've had to create, just to keep everything in check.

So:

Dear Bioware; employ someone (From the wiki, preferably.) as a lore guru, so that shameless fiascoes such as this never, ever, happen again.