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[ZLurps]

The PLC wrote...

Bioware shouldn't waste any more time on this book. Just leave it. If people want to read it, they should read it. If people don't want to read it, they shouldn't read it. I'd much rather see Bioware moving on. They admitted that they ****ed up, and that is all what I/and many other people, were asking for.

It's pretty clear that this book exists just so that Bioware could get rid of a lot of the characters from the novels, before ME3 is released. Bioware should just move on to the comics, and take a break from the tie-in novels until a new ME3 trilogy/game is announced.

It could also be that there was a contract for 4 books with the publisher and Deception was done just to fulfill EA/BioWare's part of contract. With this 4th. book they saw an opportunity to get rid of certain characters and they decided to use it.

What comes to victories, I'm with James Faith who wrote earlier that this incident will probably lead to better Q&A process regarding tie-in products. I don't believe anyone in the industry wants to be an international joke, brand values and all concidered.

Modifié par ZLurps, 04 février 2012 - 11:39 .

[Hel]

So basically; those of us who already own the first edition would have to cash out again to get the (supposedly decent) second edition? Great, let me just dig up my pot of gold so I can throw more money your way, BioWare.

I'm never one to voice complaints openly, but this just irritates me beyond measure. If you as a company truly care enough about the quality of your product(s), then at least bother with doing quality control! Bah, these Deception-topics upset me more than they should.

[XXIceColdXX]

Bioware getting a lore guru would be a smart thing for them to do. Completely agree with this.

[Dave of Canada]

I don't see why you're all placing the blame on Dietz, he wasn't solely responsible.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 février 2012 - 12:31 .

[flexxdk]

I highly doubt that the revised edition will be any good.

Chances are that I'm still not going to buy it. Especially if they don't fix Kai Leng the cereal killer and the toothbrush murder.

Heck, I'm not even gonna buy the 1st edition just because it's going to be a rare collector item soon (as some people have been suggesting). Not worth the 10 euro's.

It's more like a marketing move. The books is going to be revised. This means that the first book (which is filled with errors) is going to be "non-canon" (sorf of). This means that the book is going to be a rare collector item. Which means collectors will scour the internet to get their copy so that they have something "unique" on their bookshelves. And BioWare still gets their money.

Well played, BioWare.

Modifié par Whacka, 04 février 2012 - 01:37 .

[Ryo Bondiko]

So yeah, finished the book just now and ... uhm... "dissappointed" doesn't really cut it.

I am not that deep in the lore, so I did not notice all but the most obvious lore-screw-ups (though those I noticed were severe), but the story alltogether was bad. It kinda made all the previos books meaningsless.

So we have a very powerful and autistic (Mr. Dietz, you might want to wiki that word or read the prequels to your story at least...) girl whose story was build up just so she could be cut down (by a toothbrush...) now after going on a meaning- and useless revenge spree. I for one didn't need another reason to hate Kail Leng and kill him as painfully as possible in ME3, and he really didn't need another perfect victory.
The same goes for Nick and Hendel, they were important once and good characters, but now they are literally snuffed out in about 10 pages. On top of that, the "You killed my one true love (who I have met a few days earlier), may you rot in hell bastard (who has cared for me over years in the Academy)!" was nearly ridiculous.

I can accept that some characters have to die for a plot to develop, but cutting 3/5 of the original novel characters down in such rapid succession (seemingly Mr. Dietz run out of paper...) and without any true reason or meaning, is disrespecting the previous novels (which the author didn't read at all, I guess) and the readers of those.

So I don't really think a simple lore-correction will suffice here. We need a new book, from a different and better author. There are so many talents around who deserve a chance, just give it to them. Maybe start a writing contest like with Asunder.

Modifié par Ryo Bondiko, 04 février 2012 - 12:40 .

[BentOrgy]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't see why you're all placing the blame on Dietz, he wasn't solely responsible.

Not all of us are.

That being said, most of the blame should - and is - placed on him; because it was his responsibility to craft a story that fit within the franchise's established theme and feel, (So no gyrocycles, or rickshaws. Wards actually being named, and not "Blue," or "Red," etc.) and adhere to the previous novel's continuity.

He failed, miserably, and here we are.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 04 février 2012 - 12:41 .

[jmood88]

Helekanalaith wrote...

So basically; those of us who already own the first edition would have to cash out again to get the (supposedly decent) second edition? Great, let me just dig up my pot of gold so I can throw more money your way, BioWare.

I'm never one to voice complaints openly, but this just irritates me beyond measure. If you as a company truly care enough about the quality of your product(s), then at least bother with doing quality control! Bah, these Deception-topics upset me more than they should.

If buying another copy of this book hurts you that much financially, then you should not be buying games. I do agree that Bioware should've caught these errors but the thing is $8, you wouldn't need to dig up a "pot of gold" to buy it again. 

[BentOrgy]

jmood88 wrote...

Helekanalaith wrote...

So basically; those of us who already own the first edition would have to cash out again to get the (supposedly decent) second edition? Great, let me just dig up my pot of gold so I can throw more money your way, BioWare.

I'm never one to voice complaints openly, but this just irritates me beyond measure. If you as a company truly care enough about the quality of your product(s), then at least bother with doing quality control! Bah, these Deception-topics upset me more than they should.

If buying another copy of this book hurts you that much financially, then you should not be buying games. I do agree that Bioware should've caught these errors but the thing is $8, you wouldn't need to dig up a "pot of gold" to buy it again. 

I don't think its a matter of how financially breaking it is; more of a "Really? You're going to milk how much more out of me?" kind of thing.

The principle, if you will.

[Terror_K]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't see why you're all placing the blame on Dietz, he wasn't solely responsible.

Yeah. He definitely should have done far more research than he clearly did. But at the same time, BioWare shouldn't have let something so riddled with such glaring issues through. It's a mix of him not doing his homework and the powers that be seeming to just rabber stamp it through without even giving it a good going-over.

Still, he's an awful writer, lore inconsistencies aside. It shocks me that he's a professional given how absolutely terrible he is. I've commonly heard people saying, "it reads like a bad fan fiction" but I'll take that a step further and say I've read more fanfics that are better than this than ones that aren't. Not just Mass Effect, but across the board. Though perhaps I'm bias in that regard, as the writer of an ME fanfic myself (which, everybody, feel free to give a go, btw! ).

[IST]

Two things brightened my day today - and reinforced my faith in my No. 1 gaming franchise:
1. The admission from Bioware (didn't think they would to be honest, nice surprise!) and
2. The save game announcement - keep your save game for 'hopefully' the next installment to go from, most likely in the meantime mucho DLC/

Now, regarding Deception : would you guys recommend leaving out reading this prior to ME3 due to the lore/mass fails as it currently stands and wait till post ME3 release to read,.. or is it still worth it to get it out of the way prior to playing ME3, to tie up the Anderson/Gillian etc story arc..?

cheers in advance!

[Terror_K]

Well... the thing is, aren't the current version of Deception pretty much now, officially, non-canon? I mean, if the rewritten version is going to replace them, they've essentially been kicked out of the lore, right? So, even if you DID read it, it pretty much officially is no longer part of ME lore.

[BentOrgy]

Its an abysmal read, even without the errors; its a fairly amateurish attempt at mainstream fiction. I wrote more compelling stories when I was in highschool.

Its characterization is bland and shallow, its plot plagued by bizarre logic and lack of any emotional attachment, its action sequences are brief, poorly choreographed and dull, and it fails in anyway to come across as more than an Alternate Universe Fanfiction.

That's my opinion anyway.

EDIT: And yes, I believe its safe to say Deception is now non-canon. By the way, Terror_K, I just started your story, Digression, and I have to say; I'm only one chapter in, and feel like you could easily replace Dietz as writer. Cheers.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 04 février 2012 - 01:20 .

[DnVill]

Good to know bioware responded and apologized for the book. Though I'll just have to wait a while and see if the new version is worth buying.

[Phaedon]

Terror_K wrote...

Well... the thing is, aren't the current version of Deception pretty much now, officially, non-canon? I mean, if the rewritten version is going to replace them, they've essentially been kicked out of the lore, right? So, even if you DID read it, it pretty much officially is no longer part of ME lore.

The very basic plot they send to Dietz to write is of course canon, however a few plot details and a lot of the details in the descriptions is non-cannon.

[nitefyre410]

Terror_K wrote...



*snip*
Still, he's an awful writer, lore inconsistencies aside. It shocks me that he's a professional given how absolutely terrible he is. I've commonly heard people saying, "it reads like a bad fan fiction" but I'll take that a step further and say I've read more fanfics that are better than this than ones that aren't. Not just Mass Effect, but across the board. Though perhaps I'm bias in that regard, as the writer of an ME fanfic myself (which, everybody, feel free to give a go, btw! ).

 


Oh thats not a bias thats  a truth I have friend in   London who is a huge  Transformers fan and she worte 3 three fan fics that Dietz of the water.  The guy simply can't write but give me hope because  Dietz can become a "Famous" then  sky is the limit for the rest of us is we choose to take up the craft. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 04 février 2012 - 01:39 .

[ganthet2000]

WOW! reading some of the things that where wrong with the book I am glad I am only on the second book. Sounds like the guy didn't even bother reading the other books or doing any research at all. At this point though they real should just dump the book and pretend it didn't happen. Kind of like the second Highlander movie.

[ganthet2000]

Speaking of books is there any plans for more books? Maybe some early Commander Shepard stories or a story on how humans found and adapted the tech in the Mars bunker.

[Heraxion]

ganthet2000 wrote...

Speaking of books is there any plans for more books? Maybe some early Commander Shepard stories or a story on how humans found and adapted the tech in the Mars bunker.

I doubt we will see any Shepard books since they would be "wrong" for 90% of us no matter what they did.

The second idea would be incredibly cool though! Could start out with a hard scifi mission to mars since there is no mass effect fields yet.

And i love Hard Scifi.

[ganthet2000]

Heraxion wrote...

ganthet2000 wrote...

Speaking of books is there any plans for more books? Maybe some early Commander Shepard stories or a story on how humans found and adapted the tech in the Mars bunker.

I doubt we will see any Shepard books since they would be "wrong" for 90% of us no matter what they did.

The second idea would be incredibly cool though! Could start out with a hard scifi mission to mars since there is no mass effect fields yet.

And i love Hard Scifi.

Ya that would be cool. The Shepard books would be a good idea. The only thing stopping it is the male or female thing. I was thinkig about stuff before he or she did what they did in the first game.

[elarem]

I thought that there was only a second edition if the first sold out. If this is not true how would Bioware sell the second - as a new and improved version? I assume the same characters would still be killed in the new Deception to explain why they don't appear in ME3, and now that I know who they are then I don't have to buy the later edition anyway.

[Nerevar-as]

Heraxion wrote...

ganthet2000 wrote...

Speaking of books is there any plans for more books? Maybe some early Commander Shepard stories or a story on how humans found and adapted the tech in the Mars bunker.

I doubt we will see any Shepard books since they would be "wrong" for 90% of us no matter what they did.

The second idea would be incredibly cool though! Could start out with a hard scifi mission to mars since there is no mass effect fields yet.

And i love Hard Scifi.

While interesting, I doubt that would sell well.

Personally I´d like to see the FCW. Considering the turians refer to it as an incident, one book would probably be enough.

[TMA LIVE]

I'm kind of questioning if Bioware is pulling the book from stores. Because I've been checking chapters.indigo website all week, and all 3 of the book stores in my area have not gotten copies. (though does say "In stock" on the online store.)

[ganthet2000]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Heraxion wrote...

ganthet2000 wrote...

Speaking of books is there any plans for more books? Maybe some early Commander Shepard stories or a story on how humans found and adapted the tech in the Mars bunker.

I doubt we will see any Shepard books since they would be "wrong" for 90% of us no matter what they did.

The second idea would be incredibly cool though! Could start out with a hard scifi mission to mars since there is no mass effect fields yet.

And i love Hard Scifi.

While interesting, I doubt that would sell well.

Personally I´d like to see the FCW. Considering the turians refer to it as an incident, one book would probably be enough.

That would cool as well. Or maybe the First human explores going through the Sol Mass Relay? There is plenty of lore to work with and there are other characters or things happening during the games to use. 

I was reading through the reviews of the Deception novel on Amazon. Wow this guy really jacked up the book something aweful. I wonder if he just rushed through the writting of it to get it out or just didn't care. I hope Bioware gets there money back on it.