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[AVPen]

Phaedon wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Well... the thing is, aren't the current version of Deception pretty much now, officially, non-canon? I mean, if the rewritten version is going to replace them, they've essentially been kicked out of the lore, right? So, even if you DID read it, it pretty much officially is no longer part of ME lore.

The very basic plot they send to Dietz to write is of course canon, however a few plot details and a lot of the details in the descriptions is non-cannon.

If by "very basic plot", you actually mean "Kill off Gillian, Hendel, and Nick in anyway possible".... 

Modifié par AVPen, 04 février 2012 - 03:35 .

[Mars Nova]

Yes, thanks Bioware for doing this.  I take pride in the fact that when Kai Leng is no long seen eating salarian curry, it will be because I pointed out it would be odd and out-of-character for such a xenophobe.

[TMA LIVE]

AVPen wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Well... the thing is, aren't the current version of Deception pretty much now, officially, non-canon? I mean, if the rewritten version is going to replace them, they've essentially been kicked out of the lore, right? So, even if you DID read it, it pretty much officially is no longer part of ME lore.

The very basic plot they send to Dietz to write is of course canon, however a few plot details and a lot of the details in the descriptions is non-cannon.

If by "very basic plot", you actually mean "Kill off Gillian, Hendel, and Nick in anyway possible".... 

Well, is any of those biotic gangs going to appear in ME3?

[All-a-Mort]

Terror_K wrote...

Still, he's an awful writer, lore inconsistencies aside. It shocks me that he's a professional given how absolutely terrible he is. I've commonly heard people saying, "it reads like a bad fan fiction" but I'll take that a step further and say I've read more fanfics that are better than this than ones that aren't. Not just Mass Effect, but across the board. .

Yeah his Halo novels were truly dire compared to the far better novelisations by Eric Nylund. I think Bioware picked the wrong guy for this job. I've never read any of his own stand-alone novels, so perhaps they are better? Seems odd that a writer who has written both his own series set in his own literary universe and has written countless tie-in novelisations would err so badly in writing Deception.

[Hel]

BentOrgy wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

Helekanalaith wrote...

So basically; those of us who already own the first edition would have to cash out again to get the (supposedly decent) second edition? Great, let me just dig up my pot of gold so I can throw more money your way, BioWare.

I'm never one to voice complaints openly, but this just irritates me beyond measure. If you as a company truly care enough about the quality of your product(s), then at least bother with doing quality control! Bah, these Deception-topics upset me more than they should.

If buying another copy of this book hurts you that much financially, then you should not be buying games. I do agree that Bioware should've caught these errors but the thing is $8, you wouldn't need to dig up a "pot of gold" to buy it again. 

I don't think its a matter of how financially breaking it is; more of a "Really? You're going to milk how much more out of me?" kind of thing.

The principle, if you will.

Exactly this. I could buy the revised edition again, true. But this doesn't change the message they sent by releasing the first edition. Which in my opinion is "We don't really care enough either way about our franchises' side-products."

[Thalador]

annihilator27 wrote...

Can Kai stay a cereal killer?

Omg man, you freakin' made my day. Best. pun. ever.

(Horatio would be in shame if he heard this.]

[Timerider42]

I just got my preordered copy of the book in the mail yesterday.

****.

ganthet2000 wrote...

Speaking of books is there any plans
for more books? Maybe some early Commander Shepard stories or a story on
how humans found and adapted the tech in the Mars bunker.

I would want to see Garrus on Omega.

Modifié par Timerider42, 04 février 2012 - 04:08 .

[SlurpinTaxt]

All I have to say is, you ****ing nerds...

[jasonsantanna]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

@Yuoaman I understand the value of money just fine, my point is; it was *only 8 bucks*. Compared to most other books it could've been alot worse.

You’re right I'm sure not everyone was able to find about it until afterwards but still if they found the book was bad themselves(which is a few pages into the book appereantly) and/or looked into the reviews at all, theres still time to return it.

Many book stores I know of do returns. Even without the receipt you can still get a store credit at least, the only exceptions I can think of is buying digital or ordering it overseas.

Listing the all the problems big and small I understand, but some of them (like the ones I mentioned) dont even seem like problems. Just seems like someone didnt like how it sounded and decided to throw it in with the real problems, which makes me wonder if many things anti-fans say are really legit.

I am one of the many people who bought the book (download to android device) and I have never read anything that Dietz has written but I did check reviews on the other books he has written which has been Star Wars books ,Halo , Hitman, Resistance and some original fictions of his own . . .most had good ratings I think Hitman receiving the best . . .so I did my research  before I bought . . .I did read comments from the thread on BSN but it was when I read the preview I started to worry . . . but I said to myself " It may get better as the story goes on" regardless of the mistakes in the preview figuring well it is a preview it maybe be a draft of the book with out any corrections or so I hoped . . . but no it was just asbadonce I DL the actual book . . . Anderson and his party did the same thing almost everytime they came into action in the book  , which was nothing , except eat breakfast or dinner all the time . . .the whole thing was meaningless it had no tie in effect to anything. . . plain and simple it was just bad , I even had to wonder if Dietz had an intern or a ghost writer produce it for him because his work load may have been to heavy , but then I started to think some one from BW had to review the book or edited  . . . but for those who doubt just read the Amazon reviews from customers of his books . . .http://www.amazon.com/Mass-Effect-Deception-William-Dietz/dp/0345520734

P.S. 
Had it been an orginal fiction and not a ME product ,I may have given it an average rating but because all the history and  events that have taken place in the ME universe . . .it makes the whole story fall flat . . .

[Vhaius]

Just read the ending spoilers for Deception, I get the distinct feeling that they tried to make Kai Leng the ultimate big bad to tie-in to ME3 (failing miserably). Whilst also summarily--

*spoilers*



killing off the main characters, relieving themselves of any responsibility to mention them in game.





*end spoilers*

A part of me is glad I never read the previous books, consequently getting attached to these characters.

[TMA LIVE]

Helekanalaith wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

Helekanalaith wrote...

So basically; those of us who already own the first edition would have to cash out again to get the (supposedly decent) second edition? Great, let me just dig up my pot of gold so I can throw more money your way, BioWare.

I'm never one to voice complaints openly, but this just irritates me beyond measure. If you as a company truly care enough about the quality of your product(s), then at least bother with doing quality control! Bah, these Deception-topics upset me more than they should.

If buying another copy of this book hurts you that much financially, then you should not be buying games. I do agree that Bioware should've caught these errors but the thing is $8, you wouldn't need to dig up a "pot of gold" to buy it again. 

I don't think its a matter of how financially breaking it is; more of a "Really? You're going to milk how much more out of me?" kind of thing.

The principle, if you will.

Exactly this. I could buy the revised edition again, true. But this doesn't change the message they sent by releasing the first edition. Which in my opinion is "We don't really care enough either way about our franchises' side-products."

That's probably why it was released in the first place. They figured any ad for ME3 was good enough, even if the quality wasn't so good. So they threw it out there, not thinking anything bad would come of it.

Then websites started making stories about it, which makes then look bad, since they should have picked up on said mistakes.

[KidsNDad]

Regardless if they "patch" this, it has instilled a sense of dread over the upcoming games lore/story quality. Furthermore I will not, in anyway, pay to have a fixed version of this poor excuse for a book, they should offer it free by download/kindle. Fool me once...
Publicly promise Dietz will have nothing to do with anything MassEffect related, this way many will be safe in the knowledge that this disrespect to the lore will not happen again.

[AVPen]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, is any of those biotic gangs going to appear in ME3?

SPOILERS** No, there was no mention of the Biotic Underground or Grim Skulls in the ME3 leaked script (for that matter, there wasn't any mention of Gillian and Hendel or their deaths either.... which, for now, makes it easier to pretend that Deception never ever happened, I guess). 

[izmirtheastarach]

Even without the spoilers, why would they? Seems like with Cerberus and the Reapers, we're pretty full up on our villain quotient. Not a lot of extra time to find with silly gangs while the whole galaxy is at war.

[Xeranx]

Now I want to get the original Mass Effect Deception. It'll be a collector's item. Haha.

Modifié par Xeranx, 04 février 2012 - 04:35 .

[AVPen]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Even without the spoilers, why would they? Seems like with Cerberus and the Reapers, we're pretty full up on our villain quotient. Not a lot of extra time to find with silly gangs while the whole galaxy is at war.

For me, it was never that a biotic supremacy group existing was a bad idea - we've seen them several times before in ME1 (Major Kyle's community, the L2 terrorists who kidnapped Chairman Burns, etc).

The problem with the Biotic Underground is how utterly, ridiculously STUPID they are both in presentation (a Biotic Pride Parade... they actually have a freaking Biotic Pride Parade, with a flag bearer and everything, in the streets of Omega  ) and in their goals (they wanna make themselves famous by killing TIM and then usurp the Council so they can rule over Citadel space...... okkkkkk...  )

[Xeranx]

Terror_K wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't see why you're all placing the blame on Dietz, he wasn't solely responsible.

Yeah. He definitely should have done far more research than he clearly did. But at the same time, BioWare shouldn't have let something so riddled with such glaring issues through. It's a mix of him not doing his homework and the powers that be seeming to just rabber stamp it through without even giving it a good going-over.

Still, he's an awful writer, lore inconsistencies aside. It shocks me that he's a professional given how absolutely terrible he is. I've commonly heard people saying, "it reads like a bad fan fiction" but I'll take that a step further and say I've read more fanfics that are better than this than ones that aren't. Not just Mass Effect, but across the board. Though perhaps I'm bias in that regard, as the writer of an ME fanfic myself (which, everybody, feel free to give a go, btw! ).

Before it goes any further I think this post demands a serious, serious (SERIOUS;)) comment. 

Who are you to stipulate who is a bad (awful as you say) or good writer?  Have you published any work of your own.  He's a professional.  He knows what he's doing better than you.

[WhiteKnyght]

Does Kai really kill Gillian with a TOOTHBRUSH? xD the mark of a true assassin is resourcefulness.

A little sad though. I was hoping Gillian would be in Mass Effect 3. Her biotic abilities would be a useful asset and her anti-cerberus mentality would make her fit well in my Shepard's crew.

This seemingly answers a question I'm sure many are wondering about. In the Gameinformer article, the author plays some of Mass Effect 3 and sees a figure in the background when Shepard is speaking with T.I.M. Apparently Casey Hudson didn't elaborate on who it is but metioned that they were introducing a "clearer foil" for Shepard.

The answer is obvious now. The guy in the background is Kai Leng and he'll be portrayed as Shepard's match. Former N7, extremely talented, always gets the job done, but completely ruthless.

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't see why you're all placing the blame on Dietz, he wasn't solely responsible.

Bioware is party responsible for not having him properly brought up to speed on the Mass Effect universe.

But a lot of the details that people complain about are aguable. As I've tried to do last night.

[TMA LIVE]

AVPen wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Even without the spoilers, why would they? Seems like with Cerberus and the Reapers, we're pretty full up on our villain quotient. Not a lot of extra time to find with silly gangs while the whole galaxy is at war.

For me, it was never that a biotic supremacy group existing was a bad idea - we've seen them several times before in ME1 (Major Kyle's community, the L2 terrorists who kidnapped Chairman Burns, etc).

The problem with the Biotic Underground is how utterly, ridiculously STUPID they are both in presentation (a Biotic Pride Parade... they actually have a freaking Biotic Pride Parade, with a flag bearer and everything, in the streets of Omega  ) and in their goals (they wanna make themselves famous by killing TIM and then usurp the Council so they can rule over Citadel space...... okkkkkk...  )

Maybe ME did a bad job showing it, but I never considered biotics as outcase in the sense of needing a pride parade.

[AVPen]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

This seemingly answers a question I'm sure many are wondering about. In the Gameinformer article, the author plays some of Mass Effect 3 and sees a figure in the background when Shepard is speaking with T.I.M. Apparently Casey Hudson didn't elaborate on who it is but metioned that they were introducing a "clearer foil" for Shepard.

The answer is obvious now. The guy in the background is Kai Leng and he'll be portrayed as Shepard's match. Former N7, extremely talented, always gets the job done, but completely ruthless.

Yeahhh... I think most of us figured that out quite a while ago. 

Modifié par AVPen, 04 février 2012 - 04:51 .

[izmirtheastarach]

AVPen wrote...

For me, it was never that a biotic supremacy group existing was a bad idea - we've seen them several times before in ME1 (Major Kyle's community, the L2 terrorists who kidnapped Chairman Burns, etc).

The problem with the Biotic Underground is how utterly, ridiculously STUPID they are both in presentation (a Biotic Pride Parade... they actually have a freaking Biotic Pride Parade, with a flag bearer and everything, in the streets of Omega  ) and in their goals (they wanna make themselves famous by killing TIM and then usurp the Council so they can rule over Citadel space...... okkkkkk...  )

Yep. Gonna destroy the Citadel council with 50 Biotics teens. That will work out fine. It's not like the Council has a navy, or any access to Biotics of their own.

[ZLurps]

Mars Nova wrote...

Yes, thanks Bioware for doing this.  I take pride in the fact that when Kai Leng is no long seen eating salarian curry, it will be because I pointed out it would be odd and out-of-character for such a xenophobe.

Well, let's hope they won't do anything too extreme to correct that and cereal killer incident. Kai Leng eating Salarian roe, or even Salarian tadpoles for a snack, because he is such a racist you know. * smug *

[WizenSlinky0]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

AVPen wrote...

For me, it was never that a biotic supremacy group existing was a bad idea - we've seen them several times before in ME1 (Major Kyle's community, the L2 terrorists who kidnapped Chairman Burns, etc).

The problem with the Biotic Underground is how utterly, ridiculously STUPID they are both in presentation (a Biotic Pride Parade... they actually have a freaking Biotic Pride Parade, with a flag bearer and everything, in the streets of Omega  ) and in their goals (they wanna make themselves famous by killing TIM and then usurp the Council so they can rule over Citadel space...... okkkkkk...  )

Yep. Gonna destroy the Citadel council with 50 Biotics teens. That will work out fine. It's not like the Council has a navy, or any access to Biotics of their own.

And lets not forget this is omega...filled with merceneries and criminals. A parade would just make great shooting practice.

[Mann42]

Although I'm still really disappointed that Bioware showed such a weak amount of franchise control, and that they either signed off on the book as is or didn't read it all, I am glad that they're going to try to do something to fix the situation.

It still has me really worried about the direction of the Mass Effect 3 story. If Casey Hudson could say on twitter that he read the book and that Kai Leng was a badass because of it, it doesn't bode well for any story direction he may have provided in the game itself.

Beyond just the inconsistencies, there's a lot in the book that's just plain disrespectful to the franchise and the setting that they've worked so hard to create; things that will be almost impossible to fix by just rewriting a few sections. If the same level of quality control (or lack thereof) is evident in the game's story, there will be a PR bloodbath after the game is released.

Modifié par nexworks, 04 février 2012 - 05:39 .

[izmirtheastarach]

nexworks wrote...

If Casey Hudson had actually read the book, this would never have happened in the first place. His twitter account is primarily used to promote things. Likely it's someone on the community management team who makes those posts.

Quality control over the game is a completely seperate issue. I've seen nothing that provides any indication that it's not pretty high for ME3. The book comes out of a completely different department, and likely was not read by any of the people who are the primary architects of the games themselves. You'll not that we've not seen any mention of them book from members of the team since the date of release.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 04 février 2012 - 06:09 .