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[crimzontearz]

^ perhaps

I still would like for him to aknowledge this as it was, indeed, his fault too

[crimzontearz]

The PLC wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
^ perhaps

I still would like for him to aknowledge this as it was, indeed, his fault too

That still won't change anything, so what's the point?

apologizing for anything changes nothing at all so why apologize ever?

[Dave of Canada]

The PLC wrote...

But what do you want the man to say?! "I know the novel sucked, and I'm sorry!"? Bioware has pretty much already said that. Does he really need to say it too? Is it THAT important to you?

They want him to go down on his hands and knees and praise the lord has mercy on the novel and that everything was his fault, that he never actually sent the script for the folks at BW to read.

[thefalleninc]

 We do all understand this is not Dietz' fault, right? At least not entirely.

He isn;t part of the Bioware team , hasn't spent years with this world and these characters. Judging by Deception he didn't even read any of the other books (that is his fault). It seems he was given a very basic outline of the universe and the story thus far and asked to scratch something out.

But remember, this travesty was published! How did it get past editing? Surely someone from Bioware was involved in the process and reviewing his work? Who was this person that gave it the stamp of approval? 

Published!

Bioware's apology is all well and good but I'm still curious to learn as to how it could have happened.

And again, not all on Dietz.

I say everyone gets a refund, Karpyshyn rewrites the whole damn thing.

Modifié par thefalleninc, 05 février 2012 - 04:56 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Yeah, an apology from him doesn't say much, as he's unlikely to ever be given any work by Bioware again.

Though as I've said a hundred times, Dietz is 100% responsible for writing a novel of very poor quality. You can't blame Bioware for everything.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 05 février 2012 - 04:57 .

[Dave of Canada]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yeah, an apology from him doesn't say much, as he's unlikely to ever be given any work by Bioware again.

Dunno, after Revan and Deception? It's not like they're looking for high quality writing that follows the universe, just jumbled words thrown onto a page with a few references here or there.

[izmirtheastarach]

I don't want him to apologize. I would however like him to understand that his book is crap.

[TMA LIVE]

Dave of Canada wrote...

The PLC wrote...

But what do you want the man to say?! "I know the novel sucked, and I'm sorry!"? Bioware has pretty much already said that. Does he really need to say it too? Is it THAT important to you?

They want him to go down on his hands and knees and praise the lord has mercy on the novel and that everything was his fault, that he never actually sent the script for the folks at BW to read.

Honestly, it's best if he does keep his mouth shut. I mean think about it: Many websites reported all the mistakes he did. His book is being discontinued after only being out for days. Do you think he'll continue to get book tie-in jobs after this?

This is seriously going to hurt his career.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 février 2012 - 05:01 .

[crimzontearz]

The PLC wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

The PLC wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
^ perhaps
I still would like for him to aknowledge this as it was, indeed, his fault too

That still won't change anything, so what's the point?

apologizing for anything changes nothing at all so why apologize ever?

We're talking about a videogame tie-in novel here. It's not like the writer killed our families, or ran over our pets with his car. It's a book! It sucked, yes, but really? Demanding him to apologize?

Don't forget that Bioware were the ones who approved the final draft. Dietz may have made tons of mistakes, but Bioware were the ones who truly ****ed up by apporving the final draft in the first place. Bioware AND the publisher has already commented on the whole thing, and they've promised us a new and 'patched' version... so why!?

no, but as you see some people took real offense to the whole autism debacle

[Uezurii]

crimzontearz wrote...

The PLC wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

The PLC wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
^ perhaps
I still would like for him to aknowledge this as it was, indeed, his fault too

That still won't change anything, so what's the point?

apologizing for anything changes nothing at all so why apologize ever?

We're talking about a videogame tie-in novel here. It's not like the writer killed our families, or ran over our pets with his car. It's a book! It sucked, yes, but really? Demanding him to apologize?

Don't forget that Bioware were the ones who approved the final draft. Dietz may have made tons of mistakes, but Bioware were the ones who truly ****ed up by apporving the final draft in the first place. Bioware AND the publisher has already commented on the whole thing, and they've promised us a new and 'patched' version... so why!?

no, but as you see some people took real offense to the whole autism debacle

The problem with that is though, is that people throw a mardy because she seems to be healed right away. While it's true that Dietz handled it poorly, we dont know how bad Gillian's case of Autism was before she got drugged (I never saw it mentioned in the books). All we know is that the drug made it worse and that is how we got to know her in Ascension. Meaning that that Gillian isn't the same Gillian without the drug.

[Demigod]

Lets be fair this mess can be split three ways. The author the editor and Bioware. The author for not doing research, this could be down to time constraint but many of these mistakes could have been alleviated by simply looking at the mass effect wiki.
The editor for not doing research again and not checking basic facts.
Bioware for letting this through. Someone at bioware had to have read it and even if they dont sign of on the book they should have seen at least pointed out some of the mistakes.
It all adds up to the need for a Lore Guru, as I said several pages past, or if you want a boring title continuity editor for bioware properties.
As for apologizing I think Chris's message is about as good as we will get, or really need. The author cant really apologize without saying he didn't do his job properly and bioware and Del Ray have apologized in Chris's message.
The cost of even a marginal rewrite and second printing should be apology enough - or it would be if those of us who bought a copy got a free replacement.

[JamesFaith]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Honestly, it's best if he does keep his mouth shut. I mean think about it: Many websites reported all the mistakes he did. His book is being discontinued after only being out for days. Do you think he'll continue to get book tie-in jobs after this?

This is seriously going to hurt his career.

Well, I think that this is exactly the reasons, why he should make a statement now. This debacle will become legendary and even he couldn't undone this, he should try to depress damage a little. He has only a little time to try convince people that Deception was an isolated mistake which will never repeat again. Because before every his next book will people be asking about Deception and excuse right after mistake is much stronger then excuse years older.

Modifié par JamesFaith, 05 février 2012 - 05:20 .

[Dave of Canada]

Demigod wrote...


Someone at bioware had to have read it and even if they dont sign of on the book they should have seen at least pointed out some of the mistakes.

According to Twitter, assuming it wasn't just bland free marketing, Casey and Walters apparently read it. Casey said it was a fun tie-in and that Kai Leng was "badass".

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 février 2012 - 05:28 .

[RGFrog]

Better hurry and get the original released versions. Get them signed by the author.

They'll be the only ones worth anything later. No collector will want the revised edition with all its boring corrections.

[TMA LIVE]

JamesFaith wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Honestly, it's best if he does keep his mouth shut. I mean think about it: Many websites reported all the mistakes he did. His book is being discontinued after only being out for days. Do you think he'll continue to get book tie-in jobs after this?

This is seriously going to hurt his career.

Well, I think that this is exactly the reasons, why he should make a statement now. This debacle will become legendary and even he couldn't undone this, he should try to depress damage a little. He has only a little time to try convince people that Deception was an isolated mistake which will never repeat again. Because before every his next book will people be asking about Deception and excuse right after mistake is much stronger then axcuse years older.

But that's what I mean by keeping his mouth shut. What could he say? I ****ed up? Sorry? Because unless he wants to blame Bioware, and start burning bridges, all he can blame is himself. And publicly doing that won't make people want to pay him to do a book after that.

[izmirtheastarach]

The PLC wrote...

And that has to be the single dumbest part of this whole spectacle. Being OFFENDED because a character in a sci-fi book 'grows out' of an illness like that, is just downright bizarre. Dietz doesn’t write anything about growing out of your autism being the normal thing to happen, and it’s clearly one of the many mistakes in the book. People were laughing at the book and making fun of pretty much every word in it, and yet people are getting offended because of this? Seriously, it blows my mind.

No is requiring you to care about the things that they do. The issues is that people thought that having an autisti character was interesting. They liked the character. And it seemed like Dietz felt that Gillian's autism was inconvienient to his story. So he just wrote it off as unimportant.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 05 février 2012 - 05:26 .

[JamesFaith]

The PLC wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
no, but as you see some people took real offense to the whole autism debacle

And that has to be the single dumbest part of this whole spectacle. Being OFFENDED
because a character in a sci-fi book 'grows out' of an illness like that, is
just downright bizarre. Dietz doesn’t write anything about growing out of your
autism being the normal thing to happen, and it’s clearly one of the many
mistakes in the book. People were laughing at the book and making fun of pretty
much every word in it, and yet people are getting offended because of this?
Seriously, it blows my mind.

Seriously, this is one of those thing you will never fully understand until you were in situation od these offended people. For them it was personal and moretouchy then you ever could imagine. Just be lucky you aren't in their situation and let it be.

[izmirtheastarach]

JamesFaith wrote...

Seriously, this is one of those thing you will never fully understand until you were in situation od these offended people. For them it was personal and moretouchy then you ever could imagine. Just be lucky you aren't in their situation and let it be.

Yeah, I find the idea of telling people not to be offended by things kind of ridiculous. You feel how you feel.

[Esbatty]

There is a damn wiki just for the specifics regarding the public knowledge of the Mass Effect Universe, he could've googled alot of things to get the info he needed or even asked for access to a Bioware ME Bible.

[izmirtheastarach]

Almost every book I've ever read had an editor and a publisher. Does that mean that the author is completely devoid of responsibility if his writing is terrible? Seems like that's not quite right.

[AVPen]

I just wanna know what his ME referrences and research were exactly - obviously he must've played or watched some of the games (based on how he just loves to throw around the names for biotic abilities, guns, and all kinds of armor) and must've had a small idea what the stories for the previous novels were (unless he just read their summeries from the Wikia), but lord almighty, he got SO much wrong about the ME universe, I can't imagine that his research/referrences was that extensive.