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[JamesFaith]

TMA LIVE wrote...

But that's what I mean by keeping his mouth shut. What could he say? I ****ed up? Sorry? Because unless he wants to blame Bioware, and start burning bridges, all he can blame is himself. And publicly doing that won't make people want to pay him to do a book after that.

Yes, but should be his situation worse then now? Bioware bridge is already burned, after such great rejection of fans they will never give him another job.

The PLC wrote...
There is no way in hell if I were Dietz, that I would take the blame for this travesty. He submitted to book to Bioware, and they approved it. if he came out and blamed Bioware for not discovering all these errors, all hell would break loose. If he came out and admitted that it was all his fault, which it clearly wasn't, his career would take a serious hit (Even though that already happened by now). He's pretty much trapped between a rock and a hard place.

Between rock and hard place is exactly his situation and what he doing? Still sitting on that hard place. I'm don't telling that he shoudl got all blame to Bioware or take it all on himself. But he should accept PART of this blame. He's already tainted and staying passive wan't change this.

[TMA LIVE]

AVPen wrote...

I just wanna know what his ME referrences and research were exactly - obviously he must've played or watched some of the games (based on how he just loves to throw around the names for biotic abilities, guns, and all kinds of armor) and must've had a small idea what the stories for the previous novels were (unless he just read their summeries from the Wikia), but lord almighty, he got SO much wrong about the ME universe, I can't imagine that his research/referrences was that extensive.

Well, he claims to have played the games, and that Bioware had to approve his work, line by line.

[izmirtheastarach]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, he claims to have played the games, and that Bioware had to approve his work, line by line.

He actually doesn't claim to have played the games. What he said was that a writer in his position should read all the books and play all the games. There is a slight distinction there. If he had meant to say that he had read the books and played the games, I think he would have.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 05 février 2012 - 05:46 .

[TMA LIVE]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, he claims to have played the games, and that Bioware had to approve his work, line by line.

He actually doesn't claim to have played the games. What he said was that a writer in his position should read all the books and play all the games. There is a slight distinction there. If he had meant to say that he had read the books and played the games, I think he would have.

No he has claimed to have played the games. He said so in an interview.

http://news.bigdownl...william-c-diet/

"I do play games regularly, and was busy working my way through the latest Call Of Duty game, when I was hired to write a Mass Effect tie-in. So I had to switch and play all of the ME games. Full time. For a week. It's tough to be me:) "

[izmirtheastarach]

TMA LIVE wrote...

No he has claimed to have played the games. He said so in an interview.

http://news.bigdownl...william-c-diet/

"I do play games regularly, and was busy working my way through the latest Call Of Duty game, when I was hired to write a Mass Effect tie-in. So I had to switch and play all of the ME games. Full time. For a week. It's tough to be me:) "

Oh, cool. I never saw that somehow. I was going off that letter he wrote to one of our folks. Thanks for that. Even worse, it is.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 05 février 2012 - 05:55 .

[lucidfox]

thefalleninc wrote...

He isn;t part of the Bioware team , hasn't spent years with this world and these characters. Judging by Deception he didn't even read any of the other books (that is his fault). It seems he was given a very basic outline of the universe and the story thus far and asked to scratch something out.

With respect, I've seen fanfiction written with a greater amount of research than this, and their authors don't even get paid. You don't need to work for years with the BioWare team to avoid stepping on other writers' toes.

[Luigitornado]

JamesFaith wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I finally got a response!

He unfriended me. That's it.

Well, well, Mr. Dietz has little problem with accepting ctitique.

No. He is probably just tired of people bothering him. I would be.

Modifié par Luigitornado, 05 février 2012 - 05:55 .

[izmirtheastarach]

The PLC wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Almost every book I've ever read had an editor and a publisher. Does that mean that the author is completely devoid of responsibility if his writing is terrible? Seems like that's not quite right.

That's not what I'm saying. 

You were one of the people who tore the book a new one in that 400 pages thread. You know how bad it is, and so do I. I never EVER said, that the writing was good. Never. What I've been saying the entire time, is that Bioware should have fixed these mistakes. He's a freelance writer, so it's pretty much a given that there's going to be mistakes. Bioware should have found these, before sending the book of to the print. They're as much responsible for the book as he is. 

To be fair, if I'd meant for that comment to be directed at you, I'd have quoted you. Just expressing a general dissastisfaction with idea of letter him off the hook on this. As we've said before, the final resposibility is with Bioware. However, there is also no chance that I or anyone I know is ever going to read another one of his novels. It's his bottom line that hurts, not Bioware's.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 05 février 2012 - 05:56 .

[Luigitornado]

lucidfox wrote...

thefalleninc wrote...

He isn;t part of the Bioware team , hasn't spent years with this world and these characters. Judging by Deception he didn't even read any of the other books (that is his fault). It seems he was given a very basic outline of the universe and the story thus far and asked to scratch something out.

With respect, I've seen fanfiction written with a greater amount of research than this, and their authors don't even get paid. You don't need to work for years with the BioWare team to avoid stepping on other writers' toes.

Fanfiction would imply that a person is already heavily invested into whatever they are writing about. So what you said is not too surprising.

[izmirtheastarach]

And of course fan-fiction is written by people who are usually not professional writers. And yet I've read fanfic that was written better then this book.

[Luigitornado]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

And of course fan-fiction is written by people who are usually not professional writers. And yet I've read fanfic that was written better then this book.

You don't need to be a "professional" to be able to write well.

[AVPen]

Luigitornado wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

And of course fan-fiction is written by people who are usually not professional writers. And yet I've read fanfic that was written better then this book.

You don't need to be a "professional" to be able to write well.

No, but if you're gonna get paid to do it for a living, you need to have reading/writing comprehension skills greater than that of an 8th grader.

[izmirtheastarach]

Luigitornado wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

And of course fan-fiction is written by people who are usually not professional writers. And yet I've read fanfic that was written better then this book.

You don't need to be a "professional" to be able to write well.

Ah, but you should need to be able to write well to be a professional. Sadly, this also seems not to be the case.

EDIT: AVPEN!!!!

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 05 février 2012 - 06:06 .

[Atakuma]

Ultimately this is more bioware's fault than anyone else. Dietz may be a hack but it was bioware's decision to hire him, just as it was bioware's decision to release the book in it's poor state.

[izmirtheastarach]

Atakuma wrote...

Ultimately this is more bioware's fault than anyone else. Dietz may be a hack but it was bioware's decision to hire him, just as it was bioware's decision to release the book in it's poor state.

So now that's a good way to put it. I can dislike Dietz for being a hack, and Bioware gave Drew's series of books to that hack for him to destroy.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 05 février 2012 - 06:22 .

[essarr71]

Share the blame as much as you can, sure, but the fact is Dietz liberally made things up or was quick to fill in holes that weren't there. He could have researched better. Or hell, he could have just as easily sent a text to someone who would have known the answer.

If HE was committed to the quality of the work, he'd have wanted to make sure he got it right.

I'm disappointed that Bioware let this go to print, but I'm shocked that a writer would be this careless.

[Luigitornado]

AVPen wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

And of course fan-fiction is written by people who are usually not professional writers. And yet I've read fanfic that was written better then this book.

You don't need to be a "professional" to be able to write well.

No, but if you're gonna get paid to do it for a living, you need to have reading/writing comprehension skills greater than that of an 8th grader.

So you would think.

[JamesFaith]

essarr71 wrote...

Share the blame as much as you can, sure, but the fact is Dietz liberally made things up or was quick to fill in holes that weren't there. He could have researched better. Or hell, he could have just as easily sent a text to someone who would have known the answer.

If HE was committed to the quality of the work, he'd have wanted to make sure he got it right.

I'm disappointed that Bioware let this go to print, but I'm shocked that a writer would be this careless.

Exactly my words. Bioware is responsible for publishing Deception in current shape, but Dietz's job was creating of good book. Good writer must always writting, like there will be no editor who will check his work. If you start relying on editor too much, you should end like Dietz now - with sloppy halfmade book which is published and ruined your career.

Modifié par JamesFaith, 05 février 2012 - 06:50 .

[Luigitornado]

essarr71 wrote...

Share the blame as much as you can, sure, but the fact is Dietz liberally made things up or was quick to fill in holes that weren't there. He could have researched better. Or hell, he could have just as easily sent a text to someone who would have known the answer.

If HE was committed to the quality of the work, he'd have wanted to make sure he got it right.

I'm disappointed that Bioware let this go to print, but I'm shocked that a writer would be this careless.

To what end? IF he had a question about something, it only makes sense for him to ask a question, but maybe he misunderstood some of the basic facts, and therefore would never ask the question, which means it was up to the editor/Bioware to correct the problem

Hendel's sexuality could be an example of this. I only read through the book once, and I totally forgot that the character was gay until someone made a stink about it. Drew never went on about the character being gay; never went beyond saying only that Hendel found men attractive. It totally seems plausible that Dietz overlooked Hendel being gay, which is evident about the so-called consistency problem: Hendel and Anderson watching Asari dancers. It is such a laughably small problem that I was surprised when I actually learned what it was. Here I thought that Hendel was sticking credit chits in an Asari dancer's thong, and hitting on everything with two legs and boobs.

It is clear that Dietz never intended to retecon Hendel's sexuality, and if the editors and Bioware actually cared to read the book then that one sentence, and the other mistakes could have been easily corrected.

[XXIceColdXX]

Esbatty wrote...

There is a damn wiki just for the specifics regarding the public knowledge of the Mass Effect Universe, he could've googled alot of things to get the info he needed or even asked for access to a Bioware ME Bible.

I do wonder sometimes if Bioware does have a decent Mass Effect bible , or if the Wiki actually is the best reference for them.

[didymos1120]

Why do people keep bringing up Revan as though Bioware were responsible for it? If you didn't like it, blame Lucasfilm for approving it. They're the ones who handle the EU novels. Just look at the copyright page.

[LumpOfCole]

Mass Effect Deception - Rage Comic Edition :: Chapter 03 (Part 2):
http://i.imgur.com/gt0NY.jpg

Older chapters, in case you missed them:
Prologue: i.imgur.com/AELwf.jpg
Chapter 01: i.imgur.com/Ng7oJ.jpg
Chapter 02: i.imgur.com/NPlYL.jpg 
Chapter 03 (Part 1): i.imgur.com/iKqe2.jpg

Modifié par LumpOfCole, 05 février 2012 - 07:55 .