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[JeffZero]

Yuoaman wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

It was a dark, stormy night on Thessia. And by dark and stormy I mean cyanide was raining down from the skies above. And so everyone died.

Now that's some film noir for you.

But for an asari it's just another Tuesday.

Brilliant.

[Yuoaman]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Maybe I haven't been reading many books beyond Stephen King, Richard Matheson, and the occasional tie-in book, but I've never read "threesome" used to summarize three people, beyond it's porno meaning. Nor used repeatedly.

It wouldn't be such a big deal if it had been used once or twice, but Dietz seems to be absolutely enamored with that word and uses it as often as he can... which is pretty damned often.

[TMA LIVE]

Another complaint I have is the writing. Keep in mind, I'm not that picky when it comes to this, but I feel like the writing doesn't have a voice. It ain't saying anything to me, beyond telling me what's happening. Like it doesn't have a personality.

The closet thing I could find is Leng talking about how "Life is good" at the end of a job, which is at an end of a chapter. Or Gillian feels free after escaping. But these are too small and cheap.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 février 2012 - 10:21 .

[izmirtheastarach]

I thought Asari had a plus-one resistance to poison. Isn't that one of their racial bonuses.

[Yuoaman]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Another complaint I have is the writing. Keep in mind, I'm not that picky when it comes to this, but I feel like the writing doesn't have a voice. It ain't saying anything to me, beyond telling me what's happening. Like it doesn't have a personality.

The closet thing I could find is Leng talking about how "Life is good" at the end of a job, which is at an end of a chapter. Or Gillian feels free after escaping. But these are too small and cheap.

Yeah, simple narration can work well if the characters and events are intereting, but in Deception there is nothing good to detract from the poor narration.

[Yuoaman]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I thought Asari had a plus-one resistance to poison. Isn't that one of their racial bonuses.

But they also have fairly poor constitution.

Well that's one way to get rid of "the T'Loak family"...

[james1976]

TMA LIVE wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

So far, besides the errors, the worst part about this book is that there is no character development. It's just characters going from A to B, with lots of exposition in between. They follow a lead, which leads them to another lead. Nothing more. While Leng does assignments for the Illusive Man in between.

Don't forget all the eating. I've seriously considered the notion that Dietz went crazy with the whole "inject symbolism" concept and picked something at random. He catalogs the eating habits of various characters like there's no tomorrow.

Yeah, I know. He keeps telling me how they stopped to get something to eat along the way. He also keeps using "Twosome" or "threesome" repeatedly, instead of "The group" or "The two" or "The trio"or simply "They". Or calling a place like Omega "habitat".

That kind of irked me as well.

[JamesFaith]

Yuoaman wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Maybe I haven't been reading many books beyond Stephen King, Richard Matheson, and the occasional tie-in book, but I've never read "threesome" used to summarize three people, beyond it's porno meaning. Nor used repeatedly.

It wouldn't be such a big deal if it had been used once or twice, but Dietz seems to be absolutely enamored with that word and uses it as often as he can... which is pretty damned often.

Don't forget how often he using word BOOM.

[izmirtheastarach]

JamesFaith wrote...

Don't forget how often he using word BOOM.

His pistol, or what looked like a pistol, produced a loud BOOM as it exploded, hurling shrapnel in every direction.

See, what makes it work is that he italicised the BOOM.

[Annihilator27]

If Elcor's pop up in the book, Do they speak normally? Because that would be legit.

[Yuoaman]

Who needs adverbs or adjectives.

Just use onomatopoeia!

[Yuoaman]

[JamesFaith]

Yuoaman wrote...

Said Kai Leng feelingly.

[gearseffect]

Did anyone else see TIM as the most butchered person in the book?
Not to give to much away but the fact TIM wanted Grayson's body back because the Council blamed all of it on Cerberus? So they did the same to Saren and he had been a outstanding Specter, TIM's been terrorist to them since the get go.

Also TIM having that Cerberus Lab Tech McCann killed seemed so out of character for TIM to have him whacked. I felt that TIM would have got orders to McCann to help Anderson and Kaylee prove the Reapers were the ones to blame Grayson's actions on and that it was their Tech not Cerberus.
Because McCann was part of the team that implanted Reaper teach, not to mention if McCann were to help Anderson and Kaylee he could also be used as TIM's own double agent to let TIM know about any possible threat that may be coming at TIM from the Investigation before it can get worse for Cerberus?
Anyone else think that would have been a far more TIM thing to do?

Also I'm holding out hope that Hendel, Gillian, and maybe even Nick will be alive in ME3. Dietz brought Ugho the quarian back to life only to kill him again
If Dietz can do such things why can't the rightful writers of ME do it?

Also glad to see my post about Hudson and Walters being in the middle of some calibrations got some laughs

[JamesFaith]

There was a loud BOOM as Kim's head disintegrated. 

Yes, humans head could be very noisy when desintegrating.

[AVPen]

gearseffect wrote...

Also I'm holding out hope that Hendel, Gillian, and maybe even Nick will be alive in ME3. Dietz brought Ugho the quarian back to life only to kill him again
If Dietz can do such things why can't the rightful writers of ME do it?

Don't count on it - I'm positive that one of the mandates BW gave Dietz for the novel was "Get rid of Gillian, Hendel, and Nick somehow" and the putz figured the best way to do it was to kill them all off in random, ridiculously stupid ways. <_<


(and I already kinda know the answer from reading the leaks)

Modifié par AVPen, 09 février 2012 - 11:12 .

[JamesFaith]

gearseffect wrote...

Did anyone else see TIM as the most butchered person in the book?
Not to give to much away but the fact TIM wanted Grayson's body back because the Council blamed all of it on Cerberus? So they did the same to Saren and he had been a outstanding Specter, TIM's been terrorist to them since the get go.

Also TIM having that Cerberus Lab Tech McCann killed seemed so out of character for TIM to have him whacked. I felt that TIM would have got orders to McCann to help Anderson and Kaylee prove the Reapers were the ones to blame Grayson's actions on and that it was their Tech not Cerberus.
Because McCann was part of the team that implanted Reaper teach, not to mention if McCann were to help Anderson and Kaylee he could also be used as TIM's own double agent to let TIM know about any possible threat that may be coming at TIM from the Investigation before it can get worse for Cerberus?
Anyone else think that would have been a far more TIM thing to do?

Also I'm holding out hope that Hendel, Gillian, and maybe even Nick will be alive in ME3. Dietz brought Ugho the quarian back to life only to kill him again
If Dietz can do such things why can't the rightful writers of ME do it?

Also glad to see my post about Hudson and Walters being in the middle of some calibrations got some laughs

Yes, TIM is reduced here on someone with stupid plans whose smoking is mentioned in every second sentence. But  for me is greatest victime of butchering characters Hendel. There was nothing left from that proud soldier, that choleric idiot threatining everyone around looked only like some clown.

[Yuoaman]

Guys, TIM has serious problems: he doesn't want his terrorist organization's image tarnished - that's not going to improve the poll numbers...

[TMA LIVE]

gearseffect wrote...

Did anyone else see TIM as the most butchered person in the book?
Not to give to much away but the fact TIM wanted Grayson's body back because the Council blamed all of it on Cerberus? So they did the same to Saren and he had been a outstanding Specter, TIM's been terrorist to them since the get go.

Also TIM having that Cerberus Lab Tech McCann killed seemed so out of character for TIM to have him whacked. I felt that TIM would have got orders to McCann to help Anderson and Kaylee prove the Reapers were the ones to blame Grayson's actions on and that it was their Tech not Cerberus.
Because McCann was part of the team that implanted Reaper teach, not to mention if McCann were to help Anderson and Kaylee he could also be used as TIM's own double agent to let TIM know about any possible threat that may be coming at TIM from the Investigation before it can get worse for Cerberus?
Anyone else think that would have been a far more TIM thing to do?

Also I'm holding out hope that Hendel, Gillian, and maybe even Nick will be alive in ME3. Dietz brought Ugho the quarian back to life only to kill him again
If Dietz can do such things why can't the rightful writers of ME do it?

Also glad to see my post about Hudson and Walters being in the middle of some calibrations got some laughs

I agree that none of TIM's motives add up. One of his agents escapes from a slave ship, and he wants him killed because "He had a gambling habit, and he could discredit us if presented to the Council"? Well, he wasn't exactly a prisoner, and Anderson and Sanders let him go. You could consider rehiring him instead of killing him.

Also, wanting to kill Gillian instead of capturing her body for study? And wants her killed because "She may become a big problem?" Yet didn't bother doing that with Anderson, who has done the most damage to him? He just wants to watch him, but kill a biotic teenager?

[TMA LIVE]

JamesFaith wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Did anyone else see TIM as the most butchered person in the book?
Not to give to much away but the fact TIM wanted Grayson's body back because the Council blamed all of it on Cerberus? So they did the same to Saren and he had been a outstanding Specter, TIM's been terrorist to them since the get go.

Also TIM having that Cerberus Lab Tech McCann killed seemed so out of character for TIM to have him whacked. I felt that TIM would have got orders to McCann to help Anderson and Kaylee prove the Reapers were the ones to blame Grayson's actions on and that it was their Tech not Cerberus.
Because McCann was part of the team that implanted Reaper teach, not to mention if McCann were to help Anderson and Kaylee he could also be used as TIM's own double agent to let TIM know about any possible threat that may be coming at TIM from the Investigation before it can get worse for Cerberus?
Anyone else think that would have been a far more TIM thing to do?

Also I'm holding out hope that Hendel, Gillian, and maybe even Nick will be alive in ME3. Dietz brought Ugho the quarian back to life only to kill him again
If Dietz can do such things why can't the rightful writers of ME do it?

Also glad to see my post about Hudson and Walters being in the middle of some calibrations got some laughs

Yes, TIM is reduced here on someone with stupid plans whose smoking is mentioned in every second sentence. But  for me is greatest victime of butchering characters Hendel. There was nothing left from that proud soldier, that choleric idiot threatining everyone around looked only like some clown.

Honesly, he's barely "exists" in this book. He's just there. As in his name is inserted next to Anderson, to remind us he's there.

I honestly have the impression that he originally wasn't in this book. Until someone at Bioware read an early draft, and said "Where's Hendel? Shouldn't he be in this?"

So instead of writing him an actual part, Dietz inserted his name in places, and then wrote a scene where he's freaking out about losing his purpose.

[Devil Mingy]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Honesly, he's barely "exists" in this book. He's just there. As in his name is inserted next to Anderson, to remind us he's there.

I honestly have the impression that he originally wasn't in this book. Until someone at Bioware read an early draft, and said "Where's Hendel? Shouldn't he be in this?"

So instead of writing him an actual part, Dietz inserted his name in places, and then wrote a scene where he's freaking out about losing his purpose.

I doubt it. I refuse to believe anyone actually read any draft of this before publishing it.

More than likely, Dietz simply didn't have anything to do with him and didn't care enough to give him something.

[JamesFaith]

TMA LIVE wrote...
I honestly have the impression that he originally wasn't in this book. Until someone at Bioware read an early draft, and said "Where's Hendel? Shouldn't he be in this?"

So instead of writing him an actual part, Dietz inserted his name in places, and then wrote a scene where he's freaking out about losing his purpose.

It's hard to believe that there was some early draft of this book, some worse version of Deception. Could you imagine this? Worse version of Deception? What lore mistakes must be THERE? Rachni councilor, ocean on Omega or Aria healed from asarismus or such? Scary...

[TMA LIVE]

About Grayson's body, that could have been used to hint at what's to come. We know TIM is somehow gaining an army before ME3. Deception could have help hint at that, and we could have read how he's doing it before the game.

Like they could have said "Before, The Illusive Man didn't have a problem with Anderson using Grayson's body as evidence of the Reapers. But that was then. Things have changed, and now new plans have formed. And he couldn't allow the Council to be a hinted at what's to come if they knew what exactly Cerberus turned Grayson into. And what Cerberus was now capable of."

And thus stole Grayson's body before it was shown to the Council. And Cerberus agents still within the Alliance destroy the remaining data. Assassinating all the previous scientists that examined it. Leaving only him and Aria as the only ones who still have information. And he'll take care of her later.

Aria could be explained as finding out Cerberus was responsible for her daughter's death, but because a rival gang attacked her banks, and stolen a good some of her credits, she's forced to keep taking the Illusive Man's money until an opportunity arrives where she can strike back at them. And like TIM, she's forced to put it on hold till another day. And then Invasion happens.

But nope.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 10 février 2012 - 01:13 .

[BentOrgy]

AVPen wrote...

Kai Leng's never gonna live down taking a Deitz to the head, is he? 

 

Am I the only one who found this adorable? If only he weren't a racist psychopath.....
Well if Dietz keeps writing for the series, he won't be for very long.

[gearseffect]

JamesFaith wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Did anyone else see TIM as the most butchered person in the book?
Not to give to much away but the fact TIM wanted Grayson's body back because the Council blamed all of it on Cerberus? So they did the same to Saren and he had been a outstanding Specter, TIM's been terrorist to them since the get go.

Also TIM having that Cerberus Lab Tech McCann killed seemed so out of character for TIM to have him whacked. I felt that TIM would have got orders to McCann to help Anderson and Kaylee prove the Reapers were the ones to blame Grayson's actions on and that it was their Tech not Cerberus.
Because McCann was part of the team that implanted Reaper teach, not to mention if McCann were to help Anderson and Kaylee he could also be used as TIM's own double agent to let TIM know about any possible threat that may be coming at TIM from the Investigation before it can get worse for Cerberus?
Anyone else think that would have been a far more TIM thing to do?

Also I'm holding out hope that Hendel, Gillian, and maybe even Nick will be alive in ME3. Dietz brought Ugho the quarian back to life only to kill him again
If Dietz can do such things why can't the rightful writers of ME do it?

Also glad to see my post about Hudson and Walters being in the middle of some calibrations got some laughs

Yes, TIM is reduced here on someone with stupid plans whose smoking is mentioned in every second sentence. But  for me is greatest victime of butchering characters Hendel. There was nothing left from that proud soldier, that choleric idiot threatining everyone around looked only like some clown.

Wait the Hendel in Deception is the very same Hendel Mitra from Assension and who Keylee thought very highly of in Retribution and would have went to for help when Grayson sent her the deta if he had been around?
I didn't even recognize him in Deception, the Hendel in Deception was like all the dudes Rob Sinder plays in the Movies with Adam Sandler he pops up and says one line and then is forgoten about only to pop up randomly again.
There was no way the Hendel from Deception is the same dude from the other books the Hendel in Deception was a random Redshirt dude that had the same face as a billion other redshirts but just happeded to have the same name as THE Hendel Mitra.

I think the reason this book was called Deception was because the fans of Mass Effect were Deceived into thinking this was the same ME Universe they Loved so they would buy this book.

TIM grabes a ciggerette lights in inhales says  "I want you the fans to know..." pauses to take another drag from his ciggerette "That these were not the human characters you knew and grew to love." Being human is what is importent and at stake. "Nor were these the alien characters you hate. This was not your Mass Effect univers. I don't know what it is for that I am sorry" TIM then take a last puff of his cigerette and then puts his noise low to his desk and snorts the line of fine red powder, and basks in the euphoric high of red sand.
Then the threesome of this TIM, Dietz along with his abomination of the ME universe explode

Kia Leng would you like some cereal or maybe some salarian curry? oh sorry Kai please don't kill me for thinking you eat salarian food willingly I'm only human I didn't know you are replussed by the idea of eating salarain food not to mention buying it and stocking your place with non human made products please don't kill me

Modifié par gearseffect, 10 février 2012 - 03:26 .