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ParagonGreg wrote...

I just finished it. I don't think it's as bad as everyone says. It's still, very much, really quite bad, but I've read worse books. Better books, too. Many many better books.

Also, I felt that Gillian was accurately portrayed as autistic. Her motivations and inner monologue were in keeping with how I think a higher functioning autistic would be. However, every other character in the entire book also thinks and behaves as a higher functioning autistic, so maybe that was just accident.

Overall, I wouldn't give it 1 star. Maybe 1.5, 2 max. Also, I'd rather put out a cigarette on my face than read this book or any other by Dietz again.


I'm happy to see it holding at 1.3 on Amazon.

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ParagonGreg wrote...

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ParagonGreg wrote...

I just finished it. I don't think it's as bad as everyone says. It's still, very much, really quite bad, but I've read worse books. Better books, too. Many many better books.

Also, I felt that Gillian was accurately portrayed as autistic. Her motivations and inner monologue were in keeping with how I think a higher functioning autistic would be. However, every other character in the entire book also thinks and behaves as a higher functioning autistic, so maybe that was just accident.

Overall, I wouldn't give it 1 star. Maybe 1.5, 2 max. Also, I'd rather put out a cigarette on my face than read this book or any other by Dietz again.

The issue with Gillian is more that her autism is never referenced in any way.  The closest she comes to it is mentioning that she had anger issues when she was younger.  Which makes it sound like a phase she grew out of.


Agreed.  I wonder if Dietz even knew.


Maybe he did, but was told "You can't kill 15 year old autistic kids with a toothbrush. So make her 18, and not autistic. Now it's ok".

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I just read this book and was embarrassed, if you've read a lot of books that were worse then I truly feel for you.

By the end of the book you hope everyone dies. The last two chapters were especially gut wrenching for all the wrong reasons. I couldn't believe I was reading about the same characters.

I would like someone to explain to me how there was any resolution to this book? Are we allowed to post spoilers because it feels like this book was written knowing full well non of the main character's objectives could be resolved.

Also it's rediculouse for anyone to think Gillian was written was the same individual. She is way to competent in social situations to be autistic, and the entire book writes her as someone who has trouble controlling their emotions. High functioning autistics typically struggle with reading social cues and facial communication and can lack the how to react. Gillian is just written as someone who has temper tantrums.

This is bad, if there were just continuity issues this book would have been rated higher

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SweetJeeba wrote...

I just read this book and was embarrassed, if you've read a lot of books that were worse then I truly feel for you.

By the end of the book you hope everyone dies. The last two chapters were especially gut wrenching for all the wrong reasons. I couldn't believe I was reading about the same characters.

I would like someone to explain to me how there was any resolution to this book? Are we allowed to post spoilers because it feels like this book was written knowing full well non of the main character's objectives could be resolved.

Also it's rediculouse for anyone to think Gillian was written was the same individual. She is way to competent in social situations to be autistic, and the entire book writes her as someone who has trouble controlling their emotions. High functioning autistics typically struggle with reading social cues and facial communication and can lack the how to react. Gillian is just written as someone who has temper tantrums.

This is bad, if there were just continuity issues this book would have been rated higher


We've posted pretty much all the spoilers there were by now. The whole book is pointless. And they aren't the same characters.

Since Bioware has apologized for this book, I consider it all non-canon. Gillian is still on board the Idenna, and not due back for another couple of years. And Nick either went home after Retribution or back to school. Everything is find in my canon.

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I can't believe Anderson said what he said while Gillian's dying.

She's dead in front of Sanders, and she's like "Damn, damn, damn". And Anderson says, "Yeah, what a waste".

HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT!?!?

"Oh, no. She's dead!"

"Yeah, what a waste".

:blink::blink:

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 13 février 2012 - 04:39 .


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I think what's really appalling is this company really went out of its way to take a stand for it's decisions with gay characters, yet has no issues with dismissing a psychological disorders and reducing autism to anger issues. Completely hypocritical, I wish that A: I could get a refund for this garbage, and B: have this crap dismissed from the Mass Effect Universe's continuity.

I teach a psych class so maybe I am a little too emotional, but I can't even bring myself to pay for what is sure to be a stellar game.

It's lazy too for making the decision to just kill every character that won't make it into the game

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Every side character it seems like was created with the sole purpose to die or to set up a cliched line or scenario for the main characters

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I think I skated spoilers, they were no more spoilery than a Robert Egbert review mocking a plot

Modifié par SweetJeeba, 13 février 2012 - 04:46 .


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Patiently waiting for Mass Effect Rageception Chapter 10 B)

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Patiently waiting for Mass Effect Rageception Chapter 10 B)


Your profile pic is win.

That is all.

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Mass Effect Deception - Rage Comic Edition :: Chapter 10

http://i.imgur.com/56b8n.jpg 

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SweetJeeba wrote...

I just read this book and was embarrassed, if you've read a lot of books that were worse then I truly feel for you.

By the end of the book you hope everyone dies. The last two chapters were especially gut wrenching for all the wrong reasons. I couldn't believe I was reading about the same characters.

I would like someone to explain to me how there was any resolution to this book? Are we allowed to post spoilers because it feels like this book was written knowing full well non of the main character's objectives could be resolved.

Also it's rediculouse for anyone to think Gillian was written was the same individual. She is way to competent in social situations to be autistic, and the entire book writes her as someone who has trouble controlling their emotions. High functioning autistics typically struggle with reading social cues and facial communication and can lack the how to react. Gillian is just written as someone who has temper tantrums.

This is bad, if there were just continuity issues this book would have been rated higher


Welcome to the club my friend. I consider myself a die-hard Mass Effect fan, yet personally I feel that I could have looked the other way and forgive the vast majority of lore errors, big and small (such as humans on Khar'Shan or the baffling descriptions of Omega and the like) yet the poor writing and the clear disrespect of the source material was simply insulting to us fans. Gillian and Nick 18? Gillian having an object her father gave her that by all rights she should never have possessed, Gillian's autism going bye-bye, Hendel suddenly becoming hetersexual , Kai Leng stealing cereal? Its all absurd.

Coupled with the fact that it was written with the same blood-churning intensity of an average grocey shopping list, it did next to nothing to stimulate my brain into pondering the plot, the characters, or the overall direction the book was heading towards effort to combat the Reapers. After all, isn't that the true underlying purpose of the book? It even said so on the back, Gillian was going to put Anderson's and Kahlee's own machinations in peril with her own lust for what seemed to me as an empty vengence. Not that anything even remotely similar happened. But it makes little point, I suppose.

As far as I and no doubt the majority of the Mass Effect fanbase is concerned, this book doesn't exist and unless Bioware makes some drastically radical changes to the upcoming edit, it won't ever exist in the Mass Effect universe that we've come to love. I can forgive this greasy stain on an otherwise flawless space epic, though it will take time. Getting my hands on Mass Effect 3 should do it. Two minutes of playing that and I'll probably forget the immediete members of my family, let alone some crap attempt to milk Mass Effect by some hack writer that clearly had his head lodged up his ass the entire process of writing. Just saying yo. Peace it.

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Aria's face at the end... absolutely horrifying.

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Yuoaman wrote...

Aria's face at the end... absolutely horrifying.


Atleast it makes Dietz's stupid seem funny. :P

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I only use Liquify on Aria when Dietz is warping her personality or circumstance into something uncharacteristic or stupid.

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SweetJeeba wrote...

I think what's really appalling is this company really went out of its way to take a stand for it's decisions with gay characters, yet has no issues with dismissing a psychological disorders and reducing autism to anger issues. Completely hypocritical, I wish that A: I could get a refund for this garbage, and B: have this crap dismissed from the Mass Effect Universe's continuity.

I teach a psych class so maybe I am a little too emotional, but I can't even bring myself to pay for what is sure to be a stellar game.

It's lazy too for making the decision to just kill every character that won't make it into the game


She dies at the end? Damn. So no appearance in ME3, I dare say?

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BlueDemonX wrote...

SweetJeeba wrote...

I think what's really appalling is this company really went out of its way to take a stand for it's decisions with gay characters, yet has no issues with dismissing a psychological disorders and reducing autism to anger issues. Completely hypocritical, I wish that A: I could get a refund for this garbage, and B: have this crap dismissed from the Mass Effect Universe's continuity.

I teach a psych class so maybe I am a little too emotional, but I can't even bring myself to pay for what is sure to be a stellar game.

It's lazy too for making the decision to just kill every character that won't make it into the game


She dies at the end? Damn. So no appearance in ME3, I dare say?


Unless the rewrite retcons her death? No.

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Well, it would be hard for to appear. Being dead and all.
And keep those comics coming!

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BlueDemonX wrote...

SweetJeeba wrote...

I think what's really appalling is this company really went out of its way to take a stand for it's decisions with gay characters, yet has no issues with dismissing a psychological disorders and reducing autism to anger issues. Completely hypocritical, I wish that A: I could get a refund for this garbage, and B: have this crap dismissed from the Mass Effect Universe's continuity.

I teach a psych class so maybe I am a little too emotional, but I can't even bring myself to pay for what is sure to be a stellar game.

It's lazy too for making the decision to just kill every character that won't make it into the game


She dies at the end? Damn. So no appearance in ME3, I dare say?


It depends how much time she spared with Ugho. Image IPB

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LumpOfCole wrote...

I only use Liquify on Aria when Dietz is warping her personality or circumstance into something uncharacteristic or stupid.


Well she definitely looks insane on the last picture.
Awesome! :wizard:

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Yes indeed, the comic is coming along splendidly. And truthfully, I have a few friends that like Mass Effect, though don't love it like I do and if they ask about what happens during Deception, I plan to show them this comic and say, "That's exactly what happened, except the comic is a joy to read...the book...was not."

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Also,  I eagerly look forward to the next chapter, I havenb't laughed this well in ages. Peace yo.

Modifié par Foul_Slime, 13 février 2012 - 09:32 .


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Mythra Zon seems to being setup to return in some shape or forum. Whether another book, a comic, or in ME3, either main game or DLC. However, despite reading this book, I know nothing about this character. She's a complete blank to me.

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I also like how the book makes no effort to explain how Anderson gets his job back at the Alliance in ME3, and being put in a position to give Shepard his job back.

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TMA LIVE wrote...

Mythra Zon seems to being setup to return in some shape or forum. Whether another book, a comic, or in ME3, either main game or DLC. However, despite reading this book, I know nothing about this character. She's a complete blank to me.

Don't count on it... like, at all. :whistle: