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[Sajuukcor76]

You shouldn't change the book. It would ruin your artistic integrity.

[The Love Runner]

Wanted to bump this thread to post this video if it hasn't been known already:



EDIT: Credit goes to LumpOfCole

Modifié par Galactic Runner, 04 avril 2012 - 02:15 .

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Sajuukcor76 wrote...

You shouldn't change the book. It would ruin your artistic integrity.

this  

When will they stop humiliating themselves?

[daecath]

hehehe, when I first read the title of the post, I thought this was referring to how they deceived us about what the ending was going to be.

[recyclebin2000]

DannieCraft wrote...

 This makes me want to start buying the books.

I dare you.

[JoeLaTurkey]

So...still waiting for an update on this here book.

[CARL_DF90]

Heh. I like.

[Farbautisonn]

Well. Its been two months with out word of devellopment in the matter. I wonder if we can expect the same level of dedication to keeping the fans and customers in the loop with the "extended cut" of ME3?

[Rudy Lis]

Gallows have loop too.

[Farbautisonn]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Gallows have loop too.

- I ****ing lol'd IRL.

[Jack Mackerel]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

Gallows have loop too.

- I ****ing lol'd IRL.

I see what he did there...

[CARL_DF90]

With all the problems with ME3 lately, a fixed Deception probably won't be released until later on this year. Oh, well. Most people (myself included) would prefer ME3's mistakes to be ironed out first. (I'm looking at YOU Tali photoshop pic. Ugh!)

[SalsaDMA]

Jack Mackerel wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

Gallows have loop too.

- I ****ing lol'd IRL.

I see what he did there...

10 GOTO 20
20 GOTO 10

This is a loop too. About as usefull as a certain other loop...

[JamesFaith]

Be realistic, guys, right now has Deception too low importance for BW. Until pressure around ME3 depressed, there won't be any progress in this case simply because no one has time on this.


Plus another problem - who will create Deception 2? Karpyshyn has another job. Second chance for Dietz is out of the question. And do you think that some better freelancer will risk involving in ME universe with all this hate around now? Another reason for BW to wait until hatestorm little passed.


And last question - do you think people in BW are in mood to do something for fans right now? Yes, they made mistakes in ME3. Yes, they knew it. But this hatestorm reached really absurd level, where many people kicking to BW not only because their disagreement with ME3, but only because everyone around do it and because it's fun. It remainds me old roman politician Cato Censor, who was ending every speech with sentence „Ceterum (autem) censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. (Furthermore I think Carthage must be destroyed)[i]" , not because Carthago was some threat or there were another reasonable reason, but just because he didn't like them. Simply said every man has his personal limit of accepting critique, rage and hate, until he reached level "F*ck you too."  And so long as fans will keep BW on that level, there will be minimal will to do something with Deception.

BTW, I also was dissapoited with some thing in ME3, but like I said at the beggining of this post, I just looking realistic on this case, not only emotively.

Modifié par JamesFaith, 06 avril 2012 - 03:04 .

[SalsaDMA]

JamesFaith wrote...

And last question - do you think people in BW are in mood to do something for fans right now?

Doing something for fans?

Since when is fixing an obviously broken product that never should have been released in the first place "doing something for fans" ?

Boggles the mind....

EA rushing things (including their merchandise, which the books falls under) seems to be the common thread in all of these failures. So when is EA going to learn from their mistakes and actually let artists be artists and get the time they need to do a proper job?

[JamesFaith]

SalsaDMA wrote...
Doing something for fans?

Since when is fixing an obviously broken product that never should have been released in the first place "doing something for fans" ?

Well, honestly, do you know any other case where someone promise new book (film etc.) only because fans rejected it? Standard procedure is ignore this product in future, never release it again and scratch it out of cannon.
Even in this case when we pushed them to do it, is such decision quite unique and it was made for fans.

[Zhuinden]

X_30002000 wrote...

I did not read Deception, I read previous books. Now I know why ME3 has such “ending”: they never had much care for Lore, so why they would care for how previous games were made, consistency etc?

Well, Mac and Casey "provided guidance" for Dietz, and also the two of them exclusively wrote the ending.
I believe we can see the result quite well, of both.

[Rudy Lis]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

(I'm looking at YOU Tali photoshop pic. Ugh!)

About Tali.
Question number one: how the hell she is able to fit that broad mug of hers into such narrow helmet?
Question number two: how the hell she wears all that heap of hairs (and fits them into same helmet)? Yes, I know, qurians are not humans, so I don't know whether they are sweating or not and little is known on their suits' "climate control", but back in army we wore our NBC/ABC suits, fully sealed. Although I had my head shaved clean a-la Pierluigi Collina it still was a disaster.

SalsaDMA wrote...

10 GOTO 20
20 GOTO 10

This is a loop too. About as usefull as a certain other loop...

I like this human!
You know the rest, right?

JamesFaith wrote...

Plus another problem - who will create Deception 2?

Jeff Grubb? I like his writing and literally LMAO several times at, say, Liberty Crusade.

JamesFaith wrote...

And last question - do you think people in BW are in mood to do something for fans right now? Yes, they made mistakes in ME3. Yes, they knew it.

Knowing is good. Taking them on themselves is better. Correcting them is priceless. Yeah, yeah, mastercard for the rest.

JamesFaith wrote...

Well, honestly, do you know any other case where someone promise new book (film etc.) only because fans rejected it? Standard procedure is ignore this product in future, never release it again and scratch it out of cannon.
Even in this case when we pushed them to do it, is such decision quite unique and it was made for fans.

Heh, judging by Warhammer 40K literature they got natural mess with canons there, up to total and absolute contradiction, IIRC.

[LolaLei]

Mass Effect: Deception is the one where Kai Leng steals Andersons cereal, pisses in his vase and then stabs some autistic kid right?

... That guy has some serious issues, good job I went renegade on his ass!

Modifié par LolaLei, 06 avril 2012 - 02:08 .

[Farbautisonn]

JamesFaith wrote...

Be realistic, guys, right now has Deception too low importance for BW. Until pressure around ME3 depressed, there won't be any progress in this case simply because no one has time on this.


Plus another problem - who will create Deception 2? Karpyshyn has another job. Second chance for Dietz is out of the question. And do you think that some better freelancer will risk involving in ME universe with all this hate around now? Another reason for BW to wait until hatestorm little passed.


And last question - do you think people in BW are in mood to do something for fans right now? Yes, they made mistakes in ME3. Yes, they knew it. But this hatestorm reached really absurd level, where many people kicking to BW not only because their disagreement with ME3, but only because everyone around do it and because it's fun. It remainds me old roman politician Cato Censor, who were ending every speech with sentence „Ceterum (autem) censeo Carthaginem esse delendam. (Furthermore I think Carthage must be destroyed)[i]" , not because Carthago was some threat or there were another reasonable reason, but just because he didn't like them. Simply said every man has his personal limit of accepting critique, rage and hate, until he reached level "F*ck you too."  And so long as fans will keep BW on that level, there will be minimal will to do something with Deception.

BTW, I also was dissapoited with some thing in ME3, but like I said at the beggining of this post, I just looking realistic on this case, not only emotively.

Here is a novel concept:

"Keeping your word".

[Rudy Lis]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Here is a novel concept:

"Keeping your word".

They could fortressing it. Or motte-and-baileying it.  

[eldingo12]

Sajuukcor76 wrote...

You shouldn't change the book. It would ruin your artistic integrity.

[JamesFaith]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Here is a novel concept:

"Keeping your word".

One little problem - they never said WHEN they release new version. They can release it in November and they'll still keep their word. I just wrote why they don't release it right now.

[Farbautisonn]

JamesFaith wrote...

One little problem - they never said WHEN they release new version. They can release it in November and they'll still keep their word. I just wrote why they don't release it right now.

-Doesnt matter. The didnt keep us in the loop. For all we know its never comming. Just like with some DA2 issues and the Bazaar bit for international clients that never showed up.

So the only problem here is credibility. Bioware has none.

[Wise Men]

Cool.  Thanks for the response.  I can't wait for the audio version.