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[Keltikone]

Sajuukcor76 wrote...

You shouldn't change the book. It would ruin your artistic integrity.

It may have been pointed out before, but you my friend, win the interweb.   <3

[Farbautisonn]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Here is a novel concept:

"Keeping your word".

They could fortressing it. Or motte-and-baileying it.  

-Hahah...

[Farbautisonn]

Wise Men wrote...

Cool.  Thanks for the response.  I can't wait for the audio version.

...wait... wat? 

[JamesFaith]

Farbautisonn wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

One little problem - they never said WHEN they release new version. They can release it in November and they'll still keep their word. I just wrote why they don't release it right now.

-Doesnt matter. The didnt keep us in the loop. For all we know its never comming. Just like with some DA2 issues and the Bazaar bit for international clients that never showed up.

So the only problem here is credibility. Bioware has none.

For all I know the new version will coming. How I know it? Simply logic work with facts.

Fact 1. - Deception was rejected even before releasing.
Fact 2. - New version was promised one week after releasing.
Fact 3. - Non-English speaking countries mostly didn't release original Deception, but they bought rights on it. After announcement of new version they won't release old one and they demanding new corrected Deception.
 
Conclusion - For BW and publisher is more profitable create corrected version then returning money, esspecially when some financial penalty is in game, because source of problem is on their side. But this need TIME and 2 months simply isn't enough. Yes, I should be mistaken, but I'm working with facts, not only with personal feelings.

[Pairikas]

That are really Great Words Mr. Priestly. Serious. Thats the Kind of Words we wanna hear from you about ME3.

[Farbautisonn]

JamesFaith wrote...

For all I know the new version will coming. How I know it? Simply logic work with facts.

-Oh... really?

Fact 1. - Deception was rejected even before releasing.

-How dd it make it onto the market then? Why did Bioware ME devs and writers praise it. Why was it publicly "retracted" Why does it still sell on Amazon as is? Rejected by whom? 

Fact 2. - New version was promised one week after releasing.

-Source? The Book was released on January 31st 2012. The Bioware/Del Ray statement didnt hit untill 2 months ago. So thats abjectly wrong too.

Fact 3. - Non-English speaking countries mostly didn't release original Deception, but they bought rights on it. After announcement of new version they won't release old one and they demanding new corrected Deception.

-Wat? I have zero Idea of what you are saying here? 
 

Conclusion - For BW and publisher is more profitable create corrected version then returning money

-Only problem was they never offered a return. I believe that Amazon gave it. Bioware proper never ever made such a promise.

esspecially when some financial penalty is in game, because source of problem is on their side.

-That last bit is true but it hasnt stopped them from ignoring the source of a problem before. Especially if you are an international client and remember the "bazaar" debacle.

But this need TIME and 2 months simply isn't enough

.
-Two months is ample time to let us know what is happening.

Yes, I should be mistaken, but I'm working with facts, not only with personal feelings.

-You are mistaken and whatever facts you are working with, I dont know where you got them, but they are blatenly and abjectly wrong. No personal feelings here. Only the observations.

Book released in January. Bioware didnt recognize an issue with their product untill two months ago and promised to do "something". "Nothing" has happened, the book stilll sells as is on Amazon, and we have heard no news, no developments, nothing. For all we know, the book will never be revised.

Those are the facts. The end.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 06 avril 2012 - 11:10 .

[Revelo]

Sajuukcor76 wrote...

You shouldn't change the book. It would ruin your artistic integrity.

You sir, win some internets. 

Honestly, they'll change a book but not the ending of a game? The games being the core of the universe the books were built around. Bioware, are you even trying anymore?

[JamesFaith]

[quote]Farbautisonn wrote...



[quote]Fact 1. - Deception was rejected even before releasing.[/quote]
-How dd it make it onto the market then? Why did Bioware ME devs and writers praise it. Why was it publicly "retracted" Why does it still sell on Amazon as is? Rejected by whom? [/quote]

Check this thread.
http://social.biowar...index/9070774/1

Deception was widely rejected after long excerption on Google books about 14 days before realese or such, don't sure with exact date. BTW this 2 months in thread aren't exact, it's time interval between 2 and 3 months.

[quote]Farbautisonn wrote...



[quote]Fact 2. - New version was promised one week after releasing.[/quote]
-Source? The Book was released on January 31st 2012. The Bioware/Del Ray statement didnt hit untill 2 months ago. So thats abjectly wrong too.  [/quote]

Do you want source? What about this - http://www.joystiq.c...es-in-future-e/

Article is dated 4th February, it looks like week to me.

[quote]Farbautisonn wrote...

[quote]
Fact 3. - Non-English speaking countries mostly didn't release original Deception, but they bought rights on it. After announcement of new version they won't release old one and they demanding new corrected Deception.[/quote]
-Wat? I have zero Idea of what you are saying here? .[/quote]

Realesing of Deception in some countries is postponned until new version will be written.
 
[quote]Farbautisonn wrote...

[quote]
Conclusion - For BW and publisher is more profitable create corrected version then returning money[/quote]
-Only problem was they never offered a return. I believe that Amazon gave it. Bioware proper never ever made such a promise. .[/quote]

I didn't speak about common customers, this is still connected with previous sentence about other countries editions.

[quote]Farbautisonn wrote...



[quote]esspecially when some financial penalty is in game, because source of problem is on their side.[/quote]
-That last bit is true but it hasnt stopped them from ignoring the source of a problem before. Especially if you are an international client and remember the "bazaar" debacle..[/quote]

Again this sentence is connected with previous national edition problem.

[quote]Farbautisonn wrote...



[quote]But this need TIME and 2 months simply isn't enough[/quote].
-Two months is ample time to let us know what is happening. [/quote]

BW have no need to made such announcement. They have another problems right now and because every magazin or such  asking them about ME3 and not about Deception, there is no mention about it. Only idiot would entice focus on older problem, when he must solving another new bigger one. But it didn't automatically mean, they were not solving older one too.

[quote]Farbautisonn wrote...

[quote] Yes, I should be mistaken, but I'm working with facts, not only with personal feelings.
[/quote]
-You are mistaken and whatever facts you are working with, I dont know where you got them, but they are blatenly and abjectly wrong. No personal feelings here. Only the observations.

Book released in January. Bioware didnt recognize an issue with their product untill two months ago and promised to do "something". "Nothing" has happened, the book stilll sells as is on Amazon, and we have heard no news, no developments, nothing. For all we know, the book will never be revised.

Those are the facts. The end.

[/quote]

As you see, your basic facts were wrong, not mine.

Modifié par JamesFaith, 07 avril 2012 - 12:48 .

[Farbautisonn]

JamesFaith wrote...
Check this thread.
http://social.biowar...index/9070774/1

Deception was widely rejected after long excerption on Google books about 14 days before realese or such, don't sure with exact date.

-LOL. Im not going to sift through 400 plus pages to find one specific post you feel validate your claim? Direct me to the specific post by link pls.

Do you want source? What about this - http://www.joystiq.c...es-in-future-e/

Article is dated 4th February, it looks like week to me.

-All the more reason why Bioware should have an update by now.

Realesing of Deception in some countries is postponned until new version will be written.

-Yes? Still doesnt take away from the fact that the English version still sells as it is?  Whats your point?
 

I didn't speak about common customers, this is still connected with previous sentence about other countries editions.

-Ermn.. So, just because other nations didnt get the book translated its ok that Bioware goofs around for more than 2 months without an update? I really dont get your logic here? It still sells as is in English? 

Again this sentence is connected with previous national edition problem.

-Your logic makes zero sense unless you presume that your native language superceeds the english and original version in some way? 

BW have no need to made such announcement. They have another problems right now and because every magazin or such  asking them about ME3 and not about Deception, there is no mention about it. Only idiot would entice focus on older problem, when he must solving another new bigger one.

-No. Only an idiot with extremely poor focus on customer service doesnt keep his client base in the loop. If BW was postponing the revision of the book till after the ME3 release then they should come out and say so. Besides teh book was written by an outside freelancer, not by a Bioware writer. I dont assume that Bioware put one of their own lead writers on writing the revision, because if they did so, they would, or at least should have told the poor idiots who allready bought the book that something was happening.

As you see, your basic facts were wrong, not mine.

-No Youre facts are wrong because you somehow believe that your own language is more important than the original english version. You believe its impossible for Bioware to keep their client base in the loop. You believet that its ok that Bioware ****ed up the original english version because it got caught in time for your language version not to get published.

Guess what. You are abjectly wrong. And your implementation of logic,facts and your argumentation is all over the place to the point where you are next to incomprehensable.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 07 avril 2012 - 12:51 .

[JamesFaith]

Farbautisonn

Ehm, what about checking first post in thread, where is summarizing? And practically whole thread is about rejection of Deception and was created during 3 weeks (2 before releasing, 1 after).

And about national editions... you are making wrong conclusions and obviously didn't understand what I wrote before. I said that publisher promised new version of Deception to some states, which bought rights on Deception long before and didn't release book before BW announcement. And because is more profitable to publisher and BW made corrected version then give them money back and pay possible financial penalty for violation of business contract, I personally think that new version will be published. No word about English version here, it was purely your misunderstanding.

No Youre facts are wrong because you somehow believe that your own language is more important than the original english version. You believe its impossible for Bioware to keep their client base in the loop. You believet that its ok that Bioware ****ed up the original english version because it got caught in time for your language version not to get published.

I donť believe in supremacy of my language because "our" Deception was out 2nd February, so I'm not that case. An if I was OK with original english version why should I created the first list of errors in Deception? Yes, it was me, ZLurps then added another and JeffZero made that famous Google doc from it later. You are barking on wrong tree.

Modifié par JamesFaith, 07 avril 2012 - 01:40 .

[JamesFaith]

OPS, double post.

Modifié par JamesFaith, 07 avril 2012 - 01:38 .

[Farbautisonn]

JamesFaith wrote...

Farbautisonn

Ehm, what about checking first post in thread, where is summarizing? And practically whole thread is about rejection of Deception and was created during 3 weeks (2 before releasing, 1 after).

-Rejected... by the FANS! Not by Bioware ffs! Christ... I feel like I am argueing with a brick wall here. How about you find me an OFFICIAL STATEMENT from bioware in that link you gave me. It wasnt rejected by Bioware OR del ray untill two ****ing months ago. And even then it wasnt rejected. It was merely said that "future editions would be corrected" Christ on a pogo stick.

And about national editions... you are making wrong conclusions and obviously didn't understand what I wrote before.

-Thats painfully obvious and anyone with a decent command of the english language would be just as flabberghasted as I am.

I said that publisher promised new version of Deception to some states, which bought rights on Deception long before and didn't release book before BW announcement.

-Some "Nation states" . Not US states. And I really dont see the relevance since the absolute bulk of sales for a Mass Effect novel will be done in english unless the peoples republic of china all of a sudden decides to take an extreme liking to the mass effect univers. Or perhaps you believe that the combined sales from rumania will surpass those of the combined sales of the English language novel? What the hell is the relevance?

And because is more profitable to publisher and BW made corrected version then give them money back and pay possible financial penalty for violation of business contract

/facedesk
-Give me a link to a bioware / del ray representative that promises the money back to all of the people who bought the book allready. Do it now. If you cannot, your entire line of argumentation for this falls flat on its arse.

, I personally think that new version will be published

-I dont. And my "thinking" is backed by the compelte lack of evidence to the fact. YOU however seem to believe that the complete lack of facts or news that they will publish a second edition is ample evidence that they will. What the hell kind of logic is that? 

No word about English version here, it was purely your misunderstanding.

-So your entire discourse here, everything you said takes its cue from a non-english version? Wow... thats... amazing. I simply have no words. We are discussing the english version of the book and you feel that you need to chime in with presumptions on non-english versions and base that as your entire line of logic. I simply have no words for the lack of logic or reason here. It blows my mind.

And I donť believe in supremacy of my language because "our" Deception was out 2nd February, so I'm not that case.

-wow... I simply dont know how the hell you ever got the idea that you needed or should chime in here.

[JamesFaith]

Farbautisonn

Yes, rejected by fans, who other should reject it? United nations? Santa Claus?

And why you still separating three connected senteces and commenting them one by one? I never said word about ALL people get their money back, all the time I'm speaking about contract between BW publisher and national publishers. And it's logical, that corrected English version will forewent translations in other languages. But it's evidently too difficult to understand for you, isn't it?

[Farbautisonn]

JamesFaith wrote...

Farbautisonn

Yes, rejected by fans, who other should reject it? United nations? Santa Claus?

And why you still separating three connected senteces and commenting them one by one? I never said word about ALL people get their money back, all the time I'm speaking about contract between BW publisher and national publishers. And it's logical, that corrected English version will forewent translations in other languages. But it's evidently too difficult to understand for you, isn't it?

-Im not going to bother anymore with you. You are clearly inept and unable to follow a discussion in english.

[E71]

I've got the first three novels in paperback, eBook and audio book formats but I've only ever used the audio books.

My concern is that Tantor has already released the Deception audio book and that they might not release the rewritten version, should it be made available in the near future. I certainly don't enjoy reading at all -- call me lazy, whatever but for me the effort takes the fun out of engaging a story.

Edit: Hmm, just checked Tantor's site again, it says publication date: June 4th... Coulda sworn it was already released. Does anyone know what's going to happen with the rewrite? Will it be done? Do we have an ETA? Is it June?

Modifié par E71, 08 avril 2012 - 03:31 .

[xtroguyver]

really wish I had checked reviews before I bought this book, how can crap like this book see print without someone taking a hard look and say this makes no sense. Its such a shame as the other 3 novels were very enjoyable

But if one thing is hurting bioware at the moment its their lack of communication with its fanbase

[Virginian]

When will the audio book be out?

[E71]

Virginian wrote...

When will the audio book be out?

June 4th. They say it'll be based on the one published in January.

I'm fairly sure they're not going to re-release it after a re-write so if you're an audio-book only person like me, we're out of luck.

[La Jeffa]

I'm glad to hear this! This means that I won't have to miss out now because I was afraid of buying the book due to all the errors I've been hearing about.

[Lynata]

Revelo wrote...

Sajuukcor76 wrote...
You shouldn't change the book. It would ruin your artistic integrity.

You sir, win some internets. 
Honestly, they'll change a book but not the ending of a game? The games being the core of the universe the books were built around. Bioware, are you even trying anymore?

I have a feeling the two of you don't understand the difference between the core development team of the game and some freelance writer who managed to get hired for a one-off and whose artistic vision of the setting may differ greatly from the writers of ME3.

I shouldn't even point this out, but I just had to type this response. Some things just  cannot be allowed to go uncommented.

[JamesFaith]

Lynata wrote...

Revelo wrote...

Sajuukcor76 wrote...
You shouldn't change the book. It would ruin your artistic integrity.

You sir, win some internets. 
Honestly, they'll change a book but not the ending of a game? The games being the core of the universe the books were built around. Bioware, are you even trying anymore?

I have a feeling the two of you don't understand the difference between the core development team of the game and some freelance writer who managed to get hired for a one-off and whose artistic vision of the setting may differ greatly from the writers of ME3.

I shouldn't even point this out, but I just had to type this response. Some things just  cannot be allowed to go uncommented.

Perfectly said, this isn't about some "artistic integrity". Dietz got order to write book from ME universe and fourth part of book serie, but he ignore vital things from previous book and didn't verify his "ideas" with ME universe. Without this should be Deception only book with weak storyline and badly written characters and there will be no demand to rewrite it, only complains on its literally quality .

[BentOrgy]

Wow, haven't seen this thread for a while. How are things?

(Still no answer on the "New," edition.)

Ah, Starchild has been here I see.

[Peregrin25]

So does this mean they are adding an extended cut of the book? Will they be changing anything or just clarifying things that didn't make sense?

[JamesFaith]

Peregrin25 wrote...

So does this mean they are adding an extended cut of the book? Will they be changing anything or just clarifying things that didn't make sense?

Hard to say now. My personal guess is that this book need rewritting, because some Dietz's most significat lore mistakes are too enrooted in main storyline, f.e. Gillian's lack of autism or Aria's motivations connected with knowing of identity of Liselle's murderer.

But it needs time - choosing new writer, decide, how much change it and how changes affect rest of story, maybe some agreement with Dietz (I don't know U.S. author law, but in my country would be Dietz still technically owner of this "story" and must agreed with its changing), decision if changing original books for new oned or not and such thing. There probably won't be any announcement before they deal with most of this and ME3 end hatestorm only slowing it down because why solving problem with leaking roof in castle when it is under attack of enemy army?

Modifié par JamesFaith, 09 avril 2012 - 10:18 .

[King Espi]

This book is beyond awful. I didn't even make it past chapter 1 before I wanted to burn it.

At least I have more proof when I tell people you guys do not care about your own universe. One has to wonder why you decided to create such a vast universe only to create generic third person shooters and ignore the canon.