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[Il Divo]

jreezy wrote...

Sasuke vs. Naruto right here.

Eh, Sasuke vs. Naruto was a tad more epic than this. Really looking forward to the rematch, though. Kishimoto promises it will close out the series.

[Trephinate]

don't think i've seen anyone yet mention that not having the option to knock some sense into that hysterical arab woman - khalisah al-jilani - at some point would make for one horrible anti-climax to the trilogy.

could turn her into a romance option and replace the love scene conclusion with a some good ol' fashioned domestic violence: something classy with shepard in a suit, sepia tones, sitting down to breakfast but khalisah has burnt the toast, spilt the coffee, isn't wearing a burqa and showing a little too much ankle like some cheap strumpet so cue the slow-motion haymakers to the eyesocket while edi and the rest of the crew pretend to 'calibrate' over the noise.

i think about this a lot.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

That did nothing to prove Paragon shepard puts himself ahead of everyone else.

Except he did. Rather than do his job and stop a dangerous terrorist he gave into his demands because he wasn't comfortable with letting the hostages die.

His job is to uphold the council's will and protect the galaxy.

Letting galactive citizens die; perhaps needlessly isn't part of the job description. Now, doing what you must to get the job done is; therefor letting a criminal go to save the lives and then GO get him is just as justifiable as killing him at the expense of the civilians.

In other words, both choices still uphold the councils will.

[Hunter of Legends]

Jog0907 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

That did nothing to prove Paragon shepard puts himself ahead of everyone else.

Except he did. Rather than do his job and stop a dangerous terrorist he gave into his demands because he wasn't comfortable with letting the hostages die.

Paragon Shepard is easy to control. If you are ever confronted just grab a hostage and Paragon Shepard is all yours.

To be fair the usual practice is that an operative must not compromise the life of a hostage, if the operative shows a disregard for the life of a hostage that kills him, im sure they get kicked out or go to martial court, cant see it being that different in the SA in mass effect.

Another very valid point.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

His job is to uphold the council's will and protect the galaxy.

You don't protect the galaxy by letting someone like Balak roam free.

You don't protect it by letting people die everywhere either.

Soon there'd be no-one left to protect. You simply gotta learn when to fold him and vow to hunt him down another day.

[iceman00behave]

Worst possible story outcome?  Alright let me take a crack at this...

Mark Vanderloo watches Star Wars and Starship Troopers, then proceeds to mix drugs and alcohol into a potent cocktail. He passes out and dreams Mass Effect 1-3.

"You've just conquered the Reapers and saved all sentient life in the galaxy. The vicious cycle of extinction is over. You've forged alliances, fought hard battles, and have helped shape the entire galactic community. You're a true savior and the whole galaxy will always remember what you've done."

Cut to hungover Mark Vanderloo slowly opening his tired, bloodshot eyes. Though he looks and feels awful, he defiantly smiles.

Vanderloo: (somewhat goofily) "Cool!"

Fade to black

"Project Director- Casey Hudson"...

Modifié par iceman00behave, 05 février 2012 - 06:46 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You don't protect it by letting people die everywhere either.

Good thing Shepard doesn't do that.

Renagade shepard can and does.

You can have your entire team die

You kill the council

You kill innocent civilians

You let innocent standbys die

You let people who need help die

You let Koyalt die

Need I go on?

[Hunter of Legends]

jreezy wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

His job is to uphold the council's will and protect the galaxy.

You don't protect the galaxy by letting someone like Balak roam free.

You simply gotta learn when to fold him and vow to hunt him down another day.

I agree but Balak definitely isn't one of those times. I lean more towards Paragon than Renegade when analyzing situations and I feel that in this particular situation Renegade is the "right" choice.

I would agree, but there may be a way to not have to make any sacrifices and still catch Balak.

[DJBare]

I hope they allow for a more balanced character in ME3, I found pure paragons to be naive and pure renegades are just plain ****s, in ME2 there was not enough situations to create a decent balanced character, I'd like to have seen more renegade actions like pushing that merc off the dantius tower, I did like the comment from Garrus "And when exactly were we going to read him his rights"

[Hunter of Legends]

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...
Here's the thing: As a Spectre you need to look at the bigger picture here. You need to see all the lives that aren't right in front of you. That's the problem with Paragon: you can see what is right in front of you and nothing else.
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On the contrary, you do see what's beyond
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So you see hostages with a gun to their head but you don't see all the hostages with a giant meteor hanging over their planet.[/quote]
You still see that, and by that time you get to Balak Shep had already stopped the meteor. Letting the civilians die can have ripple effects on Terra Nova...maybe them dying causes a new human terrorist to take his place.
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You see the Council begging for help, but you don't see the thousands of worlds and civilizations threatened by the Reapers.[/quote]
How does letting the council die save those people? The current council represents stability and leadership. Letting them die allows for power vaccum and instablility to take it's place. Hardly a better choice for the galaxy. Picking the renegade option here is foolish.
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You see David in agony, but you don't see all the human soldiers dying at the geth's hands or all grieving mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, and widows. [/quote]
Here you fail to the see the gath as anything but machines with no will of their own. If you would wait or realize the geth can be reasoned with and may not go to war with you. Therefor David's "sacrifice" was compeltely needless and empty.

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Need any more for me to prove?

I think the problem here is you use to many hypotheticals to justify renegade actions...which isn't a bad thing but you must also reconginze that paragon also has a vald point.

So again we come back to the fact that paragon still fights for the galaxy.

[Hunter of Legends]

laecraft wrote...

Surely Shepard should have let the Reapers come through, and then just vowed to eradicate them once they're inside? If Shepard keeps destroying systems like that, soon there will be no one left to save from the Reapers...

But in that instance it wasn't that he had to do it, it's his motivations for doing it.

Did he do it because he had to and they better like it or because there was no other option?

Did he at least try to warn the colony or selfishly save himself?

Did he do it simply to slow down the Reapers or because it would help the galaxy in the long run? Remember the Reapers were coming regardless so was this a quick tactical decision (renegade) or long run best option (paragon).

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

On the contrary, you do see what's beyond

Yeah, I do, but you don't.

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Letting the civilians die can have ripple effects on Terra Nova...maybe them dying causes a new human terrorist to take his place.

The fu-... You know what? No. We're done here.

I'm gonna move on.

You are only seeing what YOU want to see. There are many effects on the galaxy, for instance letting the council die in ME 1 could have benefited the galaxy...but it didn't.

You are being very narrow minded.

[jeweledleah]

Haasth wrote...

Worst possible outcome?

No one dies. At all. No casualties, everyone lives and makes it out happily ever after.
Mass Effect 2 style.

Not quite what you're asking I figure, but I just want some realistic deaths in my game please. Without having to accidentally make moron mistakes to get them killed.

I would get really upset if Tali gets too caught up in defeating the Geth and get herself killed against my countless attempts to stop her. It would definitely create emotion and sadness and could be great writing, but it would never sit right with me.

so basicaly you want deaths, just not for your favorite character?

ok then.

as for the question in OP - to me worst possible story would be something ala Dragon age 2.  in other words, Shepard is sweped up by the tide of the war, and in the end none of the choices affect ultimate outcome, but rather they just add a tiny bit of flavor here and there along the way.

[nAbaddon]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Hey, consider this my condolences for your upcomming disappointment.

Gonna be a rough ride'.

Hey **** stop the spoilers and implying things.

What a troll.

[jeweledleah]

Saphra Deden wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

as for the question in OP - to me worst possible story would be something ala Dragon age 2.  in other words, Shepard is sweped up by the tide of the war, and in the end none of the choices affect ultimate outcome, but rather they just add a tiny bit of flavor here and there along the way.

Hey, consider this my condolences for your upcomming disappointment.

Gonna be a rough ride'.

oh I don't know... from what I read, it sounds not nearly as bad as "oh so you want to let that mage go, since they haven't done anything wrong yet, too bad, you are killing them anyways, just in a different act"