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[legion999]

JeffZero wrote...

Dammit, BSN. I tried to warn you about the Reapers but you're all too busy quarreling and in-fighting to heed my warnings.

You should have acted; they’re already here.
The Protheans told of their return.

Their defeat was merely delay, until the time after the Citadel opened,
When the sons of BSN would spill their own blood.
But no-one wanted to believe – believe they even existed.
And when the truth finally dawns, it dawns in fire.
But, there's one they fear.
In their tongue, he's <something> Shepard!

...I should go.

[JeffZero]

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Dammit, BSN. I tried to warn you about the Reapers but you're all too busy quarreling and in-fighting to heed my warnings.

As far as BSN fights go, this one isn't so bad. It's entertaining rather than annoying.

Yeah... yeah, fair enough. /sits back and grabs popcorn












/Reapers kill everyone

[JeffZero]

That's very poignant and a good rendition, legion. I'd respond more thoroughly if the Reapers hadn't already killed everyone.

[KotorEffect3]

I am guessing the worst possible outcome (other than a reapers win ending) would be if 90% of the galaxy is wiped out and while the reapers are stopped the galaxy is crippled with many of the races wiped out while the surviving races try to rebuild. Someone that was weaker before may try to make a move to seize power.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...
Of course I've seen it, and I found it to be an overhyped rendition of the whole native american thing.

I attempted to connect the dots based on the context. You seemed to imply that they undue'ing presented the natives as "in the right", when the humans actions were justifiable and logical (aka. being realistic).

I was simply using that parallel to identify that logical very rarely factors into human thought processes when determining "who is in the right", which makes it hyper-realism for taking into account natural human reaction to cold-calculated decisions.

If my assumptions on where you were heading were wrong, then sorry? I guess.

I admit I am only making an asumption that the humans goal were reasonable, because the movie never tells why unoptanium is important, which just goes to show that the movie never bothers to explain their side of the conflict. The movie from the get-go pretty much paints the Na'vi as selfless, in-tune-with-nature, peacefull and noble, while the PMC are just a bunch greedy and savage ****s.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 04 février 2012 - 10:38 .

[WizenSlinky0]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I am guessing the worst possible outcome (other than a reapers win ending) would be if 90% of the galaxy is wiped out and while the reapers are stopped the galaxy is crippled with many of the races wiped out while the surviving races try to rebuild. Someone that was weaker before may try to make a move to seize power.

The volus, once laughed at as small and weak, are now your masters! BOW BEFORE US!

This one would like to ask the other races to bow their heads in reverence. This one wonders if the other races will be kind enough to submit without bloodshed?

Lizardviking wrote...

I admit I am only making an
asumption that the humans goal were reasonable, because the movie never
tells why unoptanium is important (which just goes to show that the
movie never bothers to explain their side of the conflict).

And I'm not even denying they could very well be reasonable. The problem is human responses don't favor the logical decision, but the emotional one.

So even if it was presented as being justificable in every sense of the world, people would still be more likely to side with the natives.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 04 février 2012 - 10:38 .

[legion999]

JeffZero wrote...

That's very poignant and a good rendition, legion. I'd respond more thoroughly if the Reapers hadn't already killed everyone.

Then how are you alive? Unless it's Mass Effect fields.

Also add what Kotor just said to my earlier post (if anyone really cares which I doubt).

[Drake-Shepard]

we need a super twist....like saving the rachni queen was a bad choice long term because the reapers can still control them or something.
Or even saving the council was a long term mistake because the extra human deaths incurred at the battle of the citadel mean the human alliance is weaker and can't hold out for the re-enforcements

That will show those meta gaming paragons!

The most disappointing ending for me is if the paragon route = best. easiest ending

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...
And I'm not even denying they could very well be reasonable. The problem is human responses don't favor the logical decision, but the emotional one.

So even if it was presented as being justificable in every sense of the world, people would still be more likely to side with the natives.

But it did not show their side of the story, which is what my problem with the movie was. It is completely black and white.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 04 février 2012 - 10:40 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Lizardviking wrote...

But it did not show their side of the story, which is what my problem with the movie was.

Right then, I kind of assumed you were taking the point farther to draw a parallel and...well anyway.

So, how about those reapers, eh?

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 04 février 2012 - 10:41 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I don't want really stupid stuff in my Mass Effect game.

Mass Effect sold itself on having to make hard choices. That implies a certain level of maturity. Stupid and life and death decisions don't mix.

No, Mass Effect sold itself on dancing volus and singing salarians.  Its charm comes from presenting mature themes with extreme real-life significance right alongside boob jokes and driving straight up a vertical cliff.

One minute, you're drunk off your ass in a bar on a space station.  The next, you are fighting your way through hell, guns blazing.  After that, you are laughing your ass off at some guy who just made an unintentionally hilarious comment.  Then you're in love.  Then you're heartbroken.  Then you're winning.  Then you're losing.  Then you're deciding the fate of an entire species.

And you get home in time to feed the fish.  Sometimes.

It's all that stuff together that makes it Mass Effect.

[JeffZero]

legion999 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

That's very poignant and a good rendition, legion. I'd respond more thoroughly if the Reapers hadn't already killed everyone.

Then how are you alive? Unless it's Mass Effect fields.

Also add what Kotor just said to my earlier post (if anyone really cares which I doubt).

I'm spending all day computing pi now. Someone plugged in the overlord, it seems.

[Revan312]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

And I'm not even denying they could very well be reasonable. The problem is human responses don't favor the logical decision, but the emotional one.

So even if it was presented as being justificable in every sense of the world, people would still be more likely to side with the natives.

Which is why the entire premise of Star Trek Insurrection is the most illogical plot/story ever in a ST film.

Admiral - "We need the natives to leave the planet so we can gain access to a type of radioactive healing material that can save billions of lives."

Picard - "No, I'll save this group of a few thousand white native's because.. because.. there's a chick I like that's a part of their band and I might get layed if I help them."

Admiral - "Umm, you did hear me say billions right?"

Picard - "Don't care, need sex, gonna fight you"

Admiral - "ooo...kkk...?"

Modifié par Revan312, 04 février 2012 - 10:45 .

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

I don't want really stupid stuff in my Mass Effect game.

Mass Effect sold itself on having to make hard choices. That implies a certain level of maturity. Stupid and life and death decisions don't mix.

No, Mass Effect sold itself on dancing volus and singing salarians.  Its charm comes from presenting mature themes with extreme real-life significance right alongside boob jokes and driving straight up a vertical cliff.

One minute, you're drunk off your ass in a bar on a space station.  The next, you are fighting your way through hell, guns blazing.  After that, you are laughing your ass off at some guy who just made an unintentionally hilarious comment.  Then you're in love.  Then you're heartbroken.  Then you're winning.  Then you're losing.  Then you're deciding the fate of an entire species.

And you get home in time to feed the fish.  Sometimes.

It's all that stuff together that makes it Mass Effect.

My Sheps are never losing or heartbroken. Or bother with fish.

Other than that, I strongly approve of the post.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

But it did not show their side of the story, which is what my problem with the movie was.

Right then, I kind of assumed you were taking the point farther to draw a parallel and...well anyway.

I did actually mention the PMC from avatar to begin with because thats what Cerberus in ME3 reminds me of.

So, how about those reapers, eh?

They look great, can't wait to fight them in ME3.

[WizenSlinky0]

Revan312 wrote...

Which is why the entire premise of Star Trek Insurrection is the most illogical plot/story ever in a ST film.

Admiral - "We need the natives to leave the planet so we can gain access to a type of radioactive healing material that can save billions of lives."

Picard - "No, I'll save this group of a few thousand white native's because.. because.. there's a chick I like that's a part of their band and I might get layed if I help them."

Admiral - "Umm, you did hear me say billions right?"

Picard - "Don't care, need sex, gonna fight you"

Admiral - "ooo...kkk...?"

Yup, but at the same time it can be considered hyper-realistic. As much as we'd like to try to humans are not creatures of logic, but of emotion.

It's the same reason two sides who both hate the other can't normally come together against a common threat without some sort of outside influence. We don't go "Hey, it'd be really smart if we all worked together to, you know, not die", we go "I hate you too much to work with you so if I see you I'm going to shoot".

[legion999]

JeffZero wrote...

legion999 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

That's very poignant and a good rendition, legion. I'd respond more thoroughly if the Reapers hadn't already killed everyone.

Then how are you alive? Unless it's Mass Effect fields.

Also add what Kotor just said to my earlier post (if anyone really cares which I doubt).

I'm spending all day computing pi now. Someone plugged in the overlord, it seems.

Goddamnit Jeff Moreau.
Wait a minute...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Which is why the entire premise of Star Trek Insurrection is the most illogical plot/story ever in a ST film.

Admiral - "We need the natives to leave the planet so we can gain access to a type of radioactive healing material that can save billions of lives."

Picard - "No, I'll save this group of a few thousand white native's because.. because.. there's a chick I like that's a part of their band and I might get layed if I help them."

Admiral - "Umm, you did hear me say billions right?"

Picard - "Don't care, need sex, gonna fight you"

Admiral - "ooo...kkk...?"

Yup, but at the same time it can be considered hyper-realistic. As much as we'd like to try to humans are not creatures of logic, but of emotion.

It's the same reason two sides who both hate the other can't normally come together against a common threat without some sort of outside influence. We don't go "Hey, it'd be really smart if we all worked together to, you know, not die", we go "I hate you too much to work with you so if I see you I'm going to shoot".

Watch from 6:32 to the end of the movie.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 04 février 2012 - 10:52 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Lizardviking wrote...
Watch from 6:32 to the end of the movie.

Ahaha, I love these reviews.

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
Watch from 6:32 to the end of the movie.

Ahaha, I love these reviews.

His Star Wars ones are the best.

[BlueMagitek]

Tyranids appear and consume everyone.

...what? I thought we were talking about the worst possible outcome. There are simply too many Xenos as it is.

As for a more likely worst outcome; the Reapers are delayed, the timeframe is pushed back for an unknown amount of time, but the galaxy is in ruin; the Raloi rise up and enslave all the former space faring races.

[Ice Cold J]

Don't know why this is being asked/what it really means, but...

Sherad separated from his team, alone on a planet being invaded, with Harbinger aware of his presence. Harbinger isn't trying to kill Shepard, but trying to break him/his will. All the mistakes Shepard made in the past (the squaddie lost on Virmire, the Arrival outcome, etc.) are brought up and Shep has to look at what he HASN'T been able to do and wonder how he could hope to stop the Reapers.

Something Dead-Spacey... but maybe even more dramatic. Something trying to convey the futility of the task before something BIG happens to turn it all around.

[Carnage752]

Ignore the troll, they feast off the attention.

I just hope they make they make the useful choices a mix of renegade and paragon decisions. Like sparing the asari scientist in ME1 = bad idea, she ends up using her genius for Cerberus. And maybe rewriting the geth in ME2 causes the former heretic geth to mix with the Orthodox, but they regain Heretic ideas and attack the Orthodox. Consequences for Renegade, consequences for Paragon.