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[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...


Yes, but you would come at odds with many in the galaxy because as you already have stated "other sides will put their species first".

Yes, when I'm at odds with the galaxy then humanity wins out. When I'm not then we can all win.

Then in reality a renegade isn't really protecting the galaxy; he/she is serving humanity's interest.

So in essence your point on what a renegade is would be corrected to state that.

Now a Paragon protects the galaxy. No matter the cost to himself or his species.

[_symphony]

I agree there should be unavoidable deaths, but just not random, the "everyone survives" outcome is sort of lame since you're fighting the reapers nevertheless

In the SM I sort of expected to make decisions that would send squadmates to their deaths, like when you have to pick the tech expert, Tali is the obvious choice and I picked her understanding that it was a suicidal task.... but nooooo, she turned out fine, I got worked up for nothing, bah.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...


Then in reality a renegade isn't really protecting the galaxy; he/she is serving humanity's interest.

A Paragon does not put the galaxy first. A Paragon puts their personal beliefs first.

That's not how I see it. A paragon stands for what they believe in but in this case Shepard believes in protecting the galaxy.

I guess it would come down to wether or not you are speaking off "paragon" in general or mass effect terms.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

That's not how I see it.

I don't care how you see it because the way you see it is wrong.

It is? I wasn't aware subjective could be wrong.

Paragons are diplomats who look for the best solution and outcomes and will take the long route.

Renegades are ruthless who look for the simple solution and will take the easiest/quickest route.

Modifié par Hunter of Legends, 05 février 2012 - 04:51 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

It is? I wasn't aware subjective could be wrong.

It isn't subjective. A Paragon's acts speak for themselves.

They do, and as I posted above that is exactly what a paragon is.

So again I say a paragon looks out for the galaxy more so than a renegade.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...


So again I say a paragon looks out for the galaxy more so than a renegade.

No, because in place of humanity Paragon Shepard has him or herself. Then comes the rest of the galaxy.

I suppose you could play it that way, but all my paragons haven't done such things. The galaxy came first with humanity closely following.

Shepard himself is not the front.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

I suppose you could play it that way, but all my paragons haven't done such things. The galaxy came first with humanity closely following.

Shepard himself is not the front.

I very much doubt that.

And why is that?

You haven't given me evidence to the contrary/support your claims.

For instance, at the Trial a paragon shepard doesn't want the two sides to go to war no because of his own views, or to spare Tali but because the galaxy will need the Geth and Quarians and full strength to help fight the reapers.

[Hunter of Legends]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Oh no, you brought up Tali's trial? We just had this argument in the Tali thread.

I could use another example.

Saving the council is a clear cut "for the galaxy" mentality.

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

And why is that?

You haven't given me evidence to the contrary/support your claims.

Bring Down the Sky is a great example.

Shepard says he let Balak escape because he just doesn't do things that way (let hostages die). So it's all about how Shepard likes to do his job. He's not thinking about how dangerous Balak might be. He's not even thinking about the hostages.

This is contrast to the Renegade who states he can live with the sleepless nights knowing that Terra Nova is safe.

And paragon shepard vows to continue hunting him down.

Renegade is no different, his ideals are to sacrifice the few to save the many in that instance. He esentially says the same thing a paragon does... "I don't sacrifice my ideals here".

Paragon shep can live with the fact a dangerous criminal is still on the loose if it means he didn't sacrifice innocent civilians.

Modifié par Hunter of Legends, 05 février 2012 - 05:29 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

And paragon shepard vows to continue hunting him down.

Yeah, good for him.

That did nothing to prove Paragon shepard puts himself ahead of everyone else. He simply won't needlessly kill people for the chance to maybe kill the bad guy.

Perhaps later down the road Balak won't get the chance to give him a sadisitic choice and therefor he will have NO blood on his hands.

So again, I say Paragon shep still has the galaxy first. The morality would make no sense otherwise.

[Jog0907]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

That did nothing to prove Paragon shepard puts himself ahead of everyone else.

Except he did. Rather than do his job and stop a dangerous terrorist he gave into his demands because he wasn't comfortable with letting the hostages die.

Paragon Shepard is easy to control. If you are ever confronted just grab a hostage and Paragon Shepard is all yours.

To be fair the usual practice is that an operative must not compromise the life of a hostage, if the operative shows a disregard for the life of a hostage that kills him, im sure they get kicked out or go to martial court, cant see it being that different in the SA in mass effect.

Modifié par Jog0907, 05 février 2012 - 05:38 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

That did nothing to prove Paragon shepard puts himself ahead of everyone else.

Except he did. Rather than do his job and stop a dangerous terrorist he gave into his demands because he wasn't comfortable with letting the hostages die.

Paragon Shepard is easy to control. If you are ever confronted just grab a hostage and Paragon Shepard is all yours.

*Signals legion*

*Legion head shot*