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[dmex]

Furtled wrote...


@Dmex
I don't know if you're still reading this thread (and seriously, internet cookies to you if you are!) but on the off-chance you are could you shed any light on how Origin was able to pre-populate the login screen with my BSN login address if (as I understand it - I could be wrong) it doesn't scan outside it's own folder please?

Thanks!

I'm following the thread

Are you asking if Origin populated your credentials on the Bioware site in your browser (Firefox/IE/Chrome) or something else?

[Furtled]

dmex wrote...
I'm following the thread

Are you asking if Origin populated your credentials on the Bioware site in your browser (Firefox/IE/Chrome) or something else?

You are a crazy man and I salute you

Anywho - nope. When I downloaded and installed Origin the login screen for the client popped up with my BSN login email address already in the login field. I hadn't provided it while downloading or installing, and I hadn't typed it into the login field.

So basically the Origin client knew my BSN/EA account login address without asking for it and I'm a little intrigued about how it found it.

Modifié par Furtled, 09 février 2012 - 10:17 .

[dmex]

Furtled wrote...
You are a crazy man and I salute you

 
I'm only replying to some questions, most have already been answered, just silly or belong on the EA forums so I don't reply to those but I keep tabs on all replies here to see if a good question needs a response.

Furtled wrote... 
Anywho - nope. When I downloaded and installed Origin the login screen for the client popped up with my BSN login email address already in the login field. I hadn't provided it while downloading or installing, and I hadn't typed it into the login field.

So basically the Origin client knew my BSN/EA account login address without asking for it and I'm a little intrigued about how it found it.

If you've used Origin, EADM or some EA games on that system previously then your username is saved in the same location and will be displayed when launching Origin or those games 

Modifié par dmex, 09 février 2012 - 11:43 .

[Vendrium]

 Well I finally had enough of all this origin stuff.

So this is what I did and how origin affected my decisions:

When ME1 was release for PC, I bought it.
Then it was re-released on Steam. I re-bought it.

Then ME2 was released on Steam. I bought it.
Then all the ME2 DLCs were released for PC. I bought them.

Now ME3 is being released, but not on Steam.
ME3 comes with Origin, a product I don't want.

So:

I bought an X360 for 215 EUR.
I re-bought ME1 and 2 on X360.
I re-bought all the DLC I already have - for X360.
I will be getting ME3 for X360.

I think my wallet is pretty empty now - but I have privacy concerns.
And those concerns are priceless.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

Will Origin make it possible to import ME1 xbox save to ME2-3 ps3?

[Bogsnot]

Chris Priestly wrote...
6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not
an information-gathering process.

Really?

5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users
will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside
the game. Added by Lumikki: EA Support info: 'You can not opt out of
data collection by the Origin client.'

If we cannot opt-out of Origins's data collection it IS spyware.

7) Has the Origin EULA been updated following recent questions in Germany?

The German Origin EULA has been updated.  For more information, please review the Origin EULA here: http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas.

8) Is there a double-opt in for Mass Effect 3 marketing emails for German residents?

Yes, we always adhere to the German requirement of a double opt-in standard for marketing emails.  Mass Effect 3 users must opt-in twice to receive these emails.

Why not satisfy everyone and make it a double opt-in for everyone, and not just for the Germans?

Modifié par Bogsnot, 09 février 2012 - 01:18 .

[wolfsite]

Bogsnot wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not
an information-gathering process.

Really?

5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users
will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside
the game. Added by Lumikki: EA Support info: 'You can not opt out of
data collection by the Origin client.'

If we cannot opt-out of Origins's data collection it IS spyware.

If it was spyware they would be having a problem with several breaches of government laws for postings lies which can bring in huge ethical violations and breech of trust violations which can land into a lot of legal issues.


From the EULA

---------------------------------
In
addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you.  The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.  As noted above, this information is gathered periodically for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, and otherwise enhancing your user experience.

--------------------

The data collectd is to help improve products, this is normally stuff like system specs of your computer to help them make sure products remain compatible since everyones computer is different.


From EA's Privacy Policy
-------------------------------

II.    EA’s Site Is TRUSTe Certified

EA
has been awarded TRUSTe's Privacy Seal signifying that this privacy policy and practices have been reviewed by TRUSTe for compliance with TRUSTe's Privacy Program Requirements available at TRUSTe.com including
transparency, accountability and choice regarding the collection and use of your personal information.  TRUSTe's mission, as an independent third party, is to accelerate online trust among consumers and organizations globally through its leading privacy trustmark and innovative trust solutions.
---------------------------------------------

If Origin was Spyware I'm sure this independant review would have been revoked.  Also it clearly states that personal information can only be collected if it is provided by you the user.

Also From EA's EULA and PRivacy Policy
------------------------------

EA will never share your personally identifiable information with third parties without your consent
------------------------------

I'll post this again
tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBPRIVACY/US/en/PC/

Also from Privacy Policy:
---------------------------

If you wish to cancel your account or request that we no longer use your information contact the Privacy Policy administrator in your country listed on our site at privacyadmin.ea.com, or if your country is not listed, by contacting the Privacy Policy Administrator in the United States. 

----------------------------


Also many people in the past have posted images from Process monitoring programs showing that the new version of Orign does not scan your hard drive and that is stays within it's own directory structures.  I can get those images later if requested.


Data collection is becoming a normal event on the Internet, when handled properly and dicreetly it can help with improving products and services.  I do agree that the EULA can use some fine tuning to help close any possible loop holes, the problem it here is no evidence that clearly shows that Origin is spyware as per the definition people use to identify malicious software.


NOTE: I am aware of the "Famous" youtube video from way back in November that people love to dig up however EA did respond to that and apologized for the incident and made proper changes to the software,  I'm sure people will love to argue if it was accidental or not but again there is no proof that it was intentional.

Modifié par wolfsite, 09 février 2012 - 01:55 .

[CenturyCrow]

GreyWarden36 wrote...

Will Origin make it possible to import ME1 xbox save to ME2-3 ps3?

No. Probably for several technical reasons between platform differences with SONY and Microsoft that have nothing to do with Origin. And I presume you're talking about Origin software for the PC?

I don't have an XBox, only a PC and PS 3. Most (if not all) PS3 saved game data is write protected. You can't even back up (copy) your own saved games to another device. (There is one exception but not relevant to your question).

Edit: I doubt that ME 3 would actually be able to import game data from ME 1 in the same platform, let alone between platforms.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 09 février 2012 - 02:02 .

[CenturyCrow]

dmex wrote...

Furtled wrote... 
Anywho - nope. When I downloaded and installed Origin the login screen for the client popped up with my BSN login email address already in the login field. I hadn't provided it while downloading or installing, and I hadn't typed it into the login field.

So basically the Origin client knew my BSN/EA account login address without asking for it and I'm a little intrigued about how it found it.

If you've used Origin, EADM or some EA games on that system previously then your username is saved in the same location and will be displayed when launching Origin or those games 

Is it possible to change it? i.e. if you want to set up a second account for security reasons? (see Furtled's previous recommendations from her discussion with EA Support.)
Thanks

[DownyTif]

Vendrium wrote...

 Well I finally had enough of all this origin stuff.

So this is what I did and how origin affected my decisions:

When ME1 was release for PC, I bought it.
Then it was re-released on Steam. I re-bought it.

Then ME2 was released on Steam. I bought it.
Then all the ME2 DLCs were released for PC. I bought them.

Now ME3 is being released, but not on Steam.
ME3 comes with Origin, a product I don't want.

So:

I bought an X360 for 215 EUR.
I re-bought ME1 and 2 on X360.
I re-bought all the DLC I already have - for X360.
I will be getting ME3 for X360.

I think my wallet is pretty empty now - but I have privacy concerns.
And those concerns are priceless.

Well, you didn't take the cheap road hehe! At least, you will play it. My history is the same, but reversed. I bought ME1 and ME2 on 360, 3 playthroughs for ME1 and 2 for ME2. I played on the 360 because I didn't have a gaming laptop at that time.

Then, I was given a free copy of ME2 because I wasted my money on DA2. So I checked it out (at that time, it was EA Download Manager). But when Origin kicked in, I discarded that free copy of ME2 and bought ME1 à 5$ on Steam, ME2 at 5$ on Steam. I now have one playthrough on PC.

But since I don't agree with Origin, I'll pass on ME3 on PC and 360, I won't buy it on PC and don't want to pay full price on the 360 because of the Origin decision. I'll wait. Anyway I have tons of other games to play and so little time. Or I'll play at a friend's house.

[dmex]

CenturyCrow wrote...
Is it possible to change it? i.e. if you want to set up a second account for security reasons? (see Furtled's previous recommendations from her discussion with EA Support.)
Thanks

Origin is just filling in the username field as a convenience before you log on and you can change it, nothing prevents you from using multiple accounts (I use a few for testing various things), although when you logout the username should probably not be remembered so I'll ask about lodging for a feature change request.

[Metalrocks]

Vendrium wrote...

 Well I finally had enough of all this origin stuff.

So this is what I did and how origin affected my decisions:

When ME1 was release for PC, I bought it.
Then it was re-released on Steam. I re-bought it.

Then ME2 was released on Steam. I bought it.
Then all the ME2 DLCs were released for PC. I bought them.

Now ME3 is being released, but not on Steam.
ME3 comes with Origin, a product I don't want.

So:

I bought an X360 for 215 EUR.
I re-bought ME1 and 2 on X360.
I re-bought all the DLC I already have - for X360.
I will be getting ME3 for X360.

I think my wallet is pretty empty now - but I have privacy concerns.
And those concerns are priceless.

wow, big expensive way you chose.
im a hard core pc gamer. and i sure will not buy my self a xbox, just to play ME3. i just stay far away from any games with a €A logo on it.
who knows, maybe in the far future we can play ME3 without origin.

[DownyTif]

wolfsite wrote...

Data collection is becoming a normal event on the Internet, when handled properly and dicreetly it can help with improving products and services.  I do agree that the EULA can use some fine tuning to help close any possible loop holes, the problem it here is no evidence that clearly shows that Origin is spyware as per the definition people use to identify malicious software.

One of the problem I see with all this debate is that even if the EULA is fixed, it can be changed. Let's say I change my mind and buy it because the EULA is now great. Then I play my games and after a year, they decide to change the EULA, which is normal. I'm not confortable with the new one, so I decide to decline it. Well, I loose access to the games I OWN because I bought them legally, in a store, because Origin demands that I accept their EULA to continue playing games I own.

That's a huge bummer. 

When I go to a store and buy a game, I'm not renting a car or getting a mortgage. I'm just buying a game because I want to own it. If I don't want to own it, I play a friend's copy or rent it. Gaming companies are all againts the used market and games renting (except some brilliant ones like CDPR and Stardock), but what they actually do now is rent their game for 60$. That's not right.

[wolfsite]

DownyTif wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Data collection is becoming a normal event on the Internet, when handled properly and dicreetly it can help with improving products and services.  I do agree that the EULA can use some fine tuning to help close any possible loop holes, the problem it here is no evidence that clearly shows that Origin is spyware as per the definition people use to identify malicious software.

One of the problem I see with all this debate is that even if the EULA is fixed, it can be changed. Let's say I change my mind and buy it because the EULA is now great. Then I play my games and after a year, they decide to change the EULA, which is normal. I'm not confortable with the new one, so I decide to decline it. Well, I loose access to the games I OWN because I bought them legally, in a store, because Origin demands that I accept their EULA to continue playing games I own.

That's a huge bummer. 

When I go to a store and buy a game, I'm not renting a car or getting a mortgage. I'm just buying a game because I want to own it. If I don't want to own it, I play a friend's copy or rent it. Gaming companies are all againts the used market and games renting (except some brilliant ones like CDPR and Stardock), but what they actually do now is rent their game for 60$. That's not right.

Well CDPR can do things like that since they are not publicly owned (To my knowlegde if someone can confirm that would be great).  EA and other companies have to answer to stock holders and what stock holders want to see is profit.  So they have to show they are protecting the investment of the Stock holders (That explains the DRM portion) they could still do free content and stuff however if that is looked down on during the next public vote well...... again this portion is more speculation as I do not know the full details in terms of the stock holders though they do have major influence since they can call for non-confidence votes for those in charge.

As for the EULA every company can change it at any time (Look at Google's new EULA for March 1...... that one is cause for some concern especially if yiu use mobile devices)  However I doubt EA would do anything that could be deemed malicious especially when you have people watching them like hawks (See the germany incident) to make sure they are not infringing on any ability to use the programs.


However the license deal is becoming more common, especially with Cloud/Stream gaming becoming more popular, in this aspect you actually are just renting the games as if you stop payment for the service you lose all the games completly regardless of if you agree/disagree with the EULA.

[BaronIveagh]

wolfsite wrote...

If Origin was Spyware I'm sure this independant review would have been revoked.  Also it clearly states that personal information can only be collected if it is provided by you the user.

Actually, no, it wouldn't.  Truste (which is different than etrust) has only certified certain websites belonging to EA, which DOES NOT include Origin.  (Go to truste's site to read what they have and have not certified EA for).

[Vendrium]

Metalrocks wrote...

Vendrium wrote...

 Well I finally had enough of all this origin stuff.

So this is what I did and how origin affected my decisions:

When ME1 was release for PC, I bought it.
Then it was re-released on Steam. I re-bought it.

Then ME2 was released on Steam. I bought it.
Then all the ME2 DLCs were released for PC. I bought them.

Now ME3 is being released, but not on Steam.
ME3 comes with Origin, a product I don't want.

So:

I bought an X360 for 215 EUR.
I re-bought ME1 and 2 on X360.
I re-bought all the DLC I already have - for X360.
I will be getting ME3 for X360.

I think my wallet is pretty empty now - but I have privacy concerns.
And those concerns are priceless.

wow, big expensive way you chose.
im a hard core pc gamer. and i sure will not buy my self a xbox, just to play ME3. i just stay far away from any games with a €A logo on it.
who knows, maybe in the far future we can play ME3 without origin.

I wouldn't count on it. And even though this was my decision - BioWare and EA have enough of my money for now.
But Origin is just a big no no for me.

I feel cheated on - having been coaxed to go down this path.
But that won't resonate enough either.

At the end of the day ME3 will be Game of the Year, Origin will drive in revenue - and those who don't like it - are seen as a small minority and are ignored.

Simple as that.

Modifié par Vendrium, 09 février 2012 - 04:53 .

[wolfsite]

BaronIveagh wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

If Origin was Spyware I'm sure this independant review would have been revoked.  Also it clearly states that personal information can only be collected if it is provided by you the user.

Actually, no, it wouldn't.  Truste (which is different than etrust) has only certified certain websites belonging to EA, which DOES NOT include Origin.  (Go to truste's site to read what they have and have not certified EA for).

I did go to there website, I actually got there from Origin.

Note: Trying new galsses right now so can't quite read everything (Eyes still adjusting to the new persription just makes it hard to read at the moment)

Modifié par wolfsite, 09 février 2012 - 05:50 .

[Rotkaepchen]

Vendrium wrote...

 Well I finally had enough of all this origin stuff.

So this is what I did and how origin affected my decisions:

When ME1 was release for PC, I bought it.
Then it was re-released on Steam. I re-bought it.

Then ME2 was released on Steam. I bought it.
Then all the ME2 DLCs were released for PC. I bought them.

Now ME3 is being released, but not on Steam.
ME3 comes with Origin, a product I don't want.

So:

I bought an X360 for 215 EUR.
I re-bought ME1 and 2 on X360.
I re-bought all the DLC I already have - for X360.
I will be getting ME3 for X360.

I think my wallet is pretty empty now - but I have privacy concerns.
And those concerns are priceless.

You really showed them Vendrium !

So, instead of spending fifty bucks on the pc version you've shoved even more money down their throats.

Respect, you have a way to punish them for forcing origin on us.

Another few like you and we'll have to give up the pc as gaming platform altogether.

Modifié par Rotkaepchen, 09 février 2012 - 06:05 .

[Furtled]

dmex wrote...
If you've used Origin, EADM or some EA games on that system previously then your username is saved in the same location and will be displayed when launching Origin or those games 

Ah right, cheers - that makes sense. It might be worth someone adding something about that to the FAQs, because when it happened it did make me do a double take!

Modifié par Furtled, 09 février 2012 - 07:25 .

[DownyTif]

wolfsite wrote...

DownyTif wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Data collection is becoming a normal event on the Internet, when handled properly and dicreetly it can help with improving products and services.  I do agree that the EULA can use some fine tuning to help close any possible loop holes, the problem it here is no evidence that clearly shows that Origin is spyware as per the definition people use to identify malicious software.

One of the problem I see with all this debate is that even if the EULA is fixed, it can be changed. Let's say I change my mind and buy it because the EULA is now great. Then I play my games and after a year, they decide to change the EULA, which is normal. I'm not confortable with the new one, so I decide to decline it. Well, I loose access to the games I OWN because I bought them legally, in a store, because Origin demands that I accept their EULA to continue playing games I own.

That's a huge bummer. 

When I go to a store and buy a game, I'm not renting a car or getting a mortgage. I'm just buying a game because I want to own it. If I don't want to own it, I play a friend's copy or rent it. Gaming companies are all againts the used market and games renting (except some brilliant ones like CDPR and Stardock), but what they actually do now is rent their game for 60$. That's not right.

Well CDPR can do things like that since they are not publicly owned (To my knowlegde if someone can confirm that would be great).  EA and other companies have to answer to stock holders and what stock holders want to see is profit.  So they have to show they are protecting the investment of the Stock holders (That explains the DRM portion) they could still do free content and stuff however if that is looked down on during the next public vote well...... again this portion is more speculation as I do not know the full details in terms of the stock holders though they do have major influence since they can call for non-confidence votes for those in charge.

As for the EULA every company can change it at any time (Look at Google's new EULA for March 1...... that one is cause for some concern especially if yiu use mobile devices)  However I doubt EA would do anything that could be deemed malicious especially when you have people watching them like hawks (See the germany incident) to make sure they are not infringing on any ability to use the programs.


However the license deal is becoming more common, especially with Cloud/Stream gaming becoming more popular, in this aspect you actually are just renting the games as if you stop payment for the service you lose all the games completly regardless of if you agree/disagree with the EULA.

Yeah, I don't think CDPR is public too. But anyway, I understand the backstages of share olders and I especially understand that people (business men) investing in EA and defining what they probably never played a computer game and are not about too. And they don't care. It's all about money (which is ok, it's economy). It's like that for all corporations, not just EA. It's capitalism.

For the Google comment, that's different. Because I didn't paid Google at all since the beginning. I'm using Gmail, but it doesn't cost me a thing and they manage my data on their servers, not me. I don't have to worry about backups or security (appart from password of course), it's their duty. I chose that from the beginning and this won't change, because that's what the service is for and has always been. If their server crashes and I can't access my mail, well too bad for me, it's a free service. If it happens too often, I could move elsewhere if I wanted. I don't like their new EULA? well I just export my mail (there are different ways) and I move on. The choice is mine.

That's not possible with Origin, and I PAID. Let's say I buy ME3 from a store (not online), a game, a product, not a service, and want to play it single player only. On first day, EA servers crashes and I can't register my game and play it (see BF3). Ok, that happens, I can be frustrated, but can live with that. It's written on the box that I must be connected to the internet for activation. I can understand why even if I don't agree and hate DRM. But no. It's not like before, now I need to install a client (Origin) that I don't want. But hey, I want to play the game so badly that I'll accept the perfect Origin EULA, which has NOTHING TO DO with my retail copy of ME3. Then, they change it later for a bad EULA and I don't agree with the changes and opt-out. Well too bad for me, I can't play anymore even if I paid for the game, retail store ME3, not the service Origin, which I don't want. 

How is this right? You can tell me all you want that it's a new reality and that the future is going that way, but it's still wrong. I just want to play ME3 single player, for god's sake.

[Ruby Tabris]

My questions is will I need to be constantly connected to the internet to play Mass Effect 3/ Does Origin need to be connected to the internet at all times to let me run Mass Effect 3?

When I played ME1 and ME2 I only connected my pc to the internet to get patches and DLC. While playing the game I remained offline since I don't have access to an ongoing internet connection. Will I be able to play my Mass Effect 3 copy with Origin installed while I'm not connected to the internet Chris?

Modifié par Ruby Tabris, 09 février 2012 - 09:27 .

[Zargon VII]

Chris Priestly wrote...

5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game. Added by Lumikki: EA Support info: 'You can not opt out of data collection by the Origin client.'

6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?

Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not
an information-gathering process.

Apologies if this has been mentioned before in one of the many Origin threads, but I would like Mr. Priestly's answer to the following.  #5 and #6 seem contradictory to me.  #5 admits there is data collection done by the Origin client yet #6 says Origin is not spyware.  Spyware = data collection to me, how is this not the case?

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

So even in this glorious off-line mode (i don't care about the multi-player mode) Origin WILL HAVE TO BE RUNNING. Congratulations on driving away customers from your products. One thing is certain now: no money from me!

[DownyTif]

Ruby Tabris wrote...

My questions is will I need to be constantly connected to the internet to play Mass Effect 3/ Does Origin need to be connected to the internet at all times to let me run Mass Effect 3?

When I played ME1 and ME2 I only connected my pc to the internet to get patches and DLC. While playing the game I remained offline since I don't have access to an ongoing internet connection. Will I be able to play my Mass Effect 3 copy with Origin installed while I'm not connected to the internet Chris?

From what I read in this thread, you don't have to be connected all the time to internet. You will need an online activation through Origin, but that's about it. You can play offline. Anyway, according to what I read in this thread.

[AlanC9]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

So even in this glorious off-line mode (i don't care about the multi-player mode) Origin WILL HAVE TO BE RUNNING. Congratulations on driving away customers from your products. One thing is certain now: no money from me!

If that sort of thing really drove customers away Steam would have failed.