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[Ruby Tabris]

DownyTif wrote...

Ruby Tabris wrote...

My questions is will I need to be constantly connected to the internet to play Mass Effect 3/ Does Origin need to be connected to the internet at all times to let me run Mass Effect 3?

When I played ME1 and ME2 I only connected my pc to the internet to get patches and DLC. While playing the game I remained offline since I don't have access to an ongoing internet connection. Will I be able to play my Mass Effect 3 copy with Origin installed while I'm not connected to the internet Chris?

From what I read in this thread, you don't have to be connected all the time to internet. You will need an online activation through Origin, but that's about it. You can play offline. Anyway, according to what I read in this thread.

Thanks for the help.

[craigdolphin]

wolfsite wrote...
If Origin was Spyware I'm sure this independant review would have been
revoked.  Also it clearly states that personal information can only be
collected if it is provided by you the user.

As I understand it, the Truste certification only applies to EA's website data collection and it specifically excludes certification of data privacy for data collected by EA's Origin client.

[KyreneZA]

Ruby Tabris wrote...

DownyTif wrote...

Ruby Tabris wrote...

My questions is will I need to be constantly connected to the internet to play Mass Effect 3/ Does Origin need to be connected to the internet at all times to let me run Mass Effect 3?

When I played ME1 and ME2 I only connected my pc to the internet to get patches and DLC. While playing the game I remained offline since I don't have access to an ongoing internet connection. Will I be able to play my Mass Effect 3 copy with Origin installed while I'm not connected to the internet Chris?

From what I read in this thread, you don't have to be connected all the time to internet. You will need an online activation through Origin, but that's about it. You can play offline. Anyway, according to what I read in this thread.

Thanks for the help.

I'd like to clarify this if I may. I'm not happy about any DD software myself, Origin even less because of the data collection you can't opt out of, even if it is benign data. However...

I have installed it to test some scenarios and use some sysinternals tools to see what it spawns and where it digs. My sysinternals tools results were inconclusive, but as for playing ME3 SP with Origin in offline mode, I can confirm it should be possible. In a very specific scenario.

You have to be connected to the internet, start Origin, go Offline, exit Origin, and disconnect from the internet.

This will allow Origin to restart any number of times in always offline mode, and should allow for ME3 SP play in offline mode too. If you reconnect to the internet at any time before, or your PC is always connected to the internet when, Origin restarts, it will always logon regardless of what mode it was in (logged on, offline or logged off) before it exited last.

I was waiting for others to confirm my results, but seeing this specific question, I had to respond. I hope it helps those like me who have limited internet connection, or those that simply don't want Origin phoning home too much, to play ME3 SP when it comes out.

I would therefore suggest installing Origin and ME3, connecting to the internet as required, logging into Origin, activating ME3, then going offline. Then thereafter only play ME3 when not connected to the internet, as playing ME3 will restart Origin, and only connecting to the internet when ME3/Origin is not running.

[wolfsite]

craigdolphin wrote...

wolfsite wrote...
If Origin was Spyware I'm sure this independant review would have been
revoked.  Also it clearly states that personal information can only be
collected if it is provided by you the user.

As I understand it, the Truste certification only applies to EA's website data collection and it specifically excludes certification of data privacy for data collected by EA's Origin client.

Ya my eyes are now working right again so I read the Truste thing properly now, frankly should have sat back and let my eyes adjust but I paid the price for that mistake.

But still Origin does not fall under the category of spyware as per the definition.  If it did EA would be in court right now for several violations including and not limited to:

-False advertising
-Use of malicious content
-Deception
-Unlawful business practices
-Unlawful use of personal data
-Invasion of Privacy

and the list goes on and on

Again for people saying it collects personal data it clearly states in the EULA and Privacy aggreements that all Private data collected is data provided by the user themselves and EA can not sell or transfer that data to anyone without the users consent.

EA gains nothing by acting in the manner people have been claiming, if anything that would put them in a position to lose everything they have and more.  IT would be like taking a fully loaded revolver and playing Russian Roulette with yourself...... nothing good would come of it.

Now to sit back and watch all the "They can change the EULA" arguements roll in.

Modifié par wolfsite, 10 février 2012 - 12:27 .

[Kekkis]

wolfsite wrote...


Again for people saying it collects personal data it clearly states in the EULA and Privacy aggreements that all Private data collected is data provided by the user themselves and EA can not sell or transfer that data to anyone without the users consent.

I don´t have any control of what that retarded program sends to €A so it´s not me sending them anything. It´s their program doing whatever it wants when it connects to internet.

It would be me, if I would klick yes when it asks if I want to send my computer specs etc. to €A.

[MEPH1ST0UK1]

Thanks for the replys guys to my question. Thats made my mind up.. i keep going to pre order this but.. i aint happy with origin (Not gonna go into reasons, will only end up someone flaming at me or me flaming at peeps) so i aint gonna spend my cash in this sadly. On the plus side, i will still be playing this round a friends house (there's actually 4 of us who were all gonna buy this, but after they seen the stuff about origin, they too aint happy about it either so we all made the descision for us to all chip in equally and buy one copy and all of us are gonna pile round said mates house and have a turn each playing ME3). I'll probably buy a copy of the game when i see it in the 2nd hand pc shop (prob next year) when it'd a good price, just for my pc game collection. Yes, i am one of those weirdo's who likes a physical copy of a game when i make a purchase. I'll keep an eye out in the future to see if EA release a patch/etc where origin isnt required.

Peace

[wolfsite]

Kekkis wrote...

wolfsite wrote...


Again for people saying it collects personal data it clearly states in the EULA and Privacy aggreements that all Private data collected is data provided by the user themselves and EA can not sell or transfer that data to anyone without the users consent.

I don´t have any control of what that retarded program sends to €A so it´s not me sending them anything. It´s their program doing whatever it wants when it connects to internet.

It would be me, if I would klick yes when it asks if I want to send my computer specs etc. to €A.

tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBPRIVACY/US/en/PC/

Clearly states what personal information and that this information is only collected in instances where the user provides it.

[CenturyCrow]

Kyrene wrote...
I'd like to clarify this if I may. I'm not happy about any DD software myself, Origin even less because of the data collection you can't opt out of, even if it is benign data. However...

I have installed it to test some scenarios and use some sysinternals tools to see what it spawns and where it digs. My sysinternals tools results were inconclusive, but as for playing ME3 SP with Origin in offline mode, I can confirm it should be possible. In a very specific scenario.

You have to be connected to the internet, start Origin, go Offline, exit Origin, and disconnect from the internet.

This will allow Origin to restart any number of times in always offline mode, and should allow for ME3 SP play in offline mode too. If you reconnect to the internet at any time before, or your PC is always connected to the internet when, Origin restarts, it will always logon regardless of what mode it was in (logged on, offline or logged off) before it exited last.

I was waiting for others to confirm my results, but seeing this specific question, I had to respond. I hope it helps those like me who have limited internet connection, or those that simply don't want Origin phoning home too much, to play ME3 SP when it comes out.

I would therefore suggest installing Origin and ME3, connecting to the internet as required, logging into Origin, activating ME3, then going offline. Then thereafter only play ME3 when not connected to the internet, as playing ME3 will restart Origin, and only connecting to the internet when ME3/Origin is not running.

Thanks. That and some firewall rules might slow it down.

You don't mention it, but does Origin Uninstall cleanly?

I'm not planning on being the first on the block to install ME3 and it's curse. So I'll wait a while before I decide. I'm not sure if DA 2 was the last EA I bought or if ME 3/Origin will be the last and just installed long enough to finish the series before I wipe the drive.

MEPH1ST0UK1 says he's hoping for EA to eventually issue a patch to kill Origin but I'm not optimistic about any of EA's policies.
edit: spelling

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 10 février 2012 - 04:25 .

[TheBacon00]

Alright, I'm not getting a very clear picture about how Origin is going to work w/ ME3.

I'm in an odd situation where I am not going to have access to the internet for about 6 months with my computer. I was planning on bringing Mass Effect 3 with me during this time, but if I can't get online at all for 6 months, am I going to be unable to launch ME3? I'll be able to install it and activate it before I leave, of course, but I will literally have no access to the internet from my PC starting in May.

If you need to get online to launch Origin and THEN go offline to play ME3, that would probably be a deal breaker in buying it for PC. I've been playing ME2 on PC and *greatly* prefer it to the console, but at least on the console I can play it wherever I am and not have to worry about this BS.

*siiiiigh* Why do PC game developers have to make it so effing hard to play the games we buy? This shouldn't be such an ordeal.

Modifié par TheBacon00, 10 février 2012 - 02:59 .

[wolfsite]

TheBacon00 wrote...

Alright, I'm not getting a very clear picture about how Origin is going to work w/ ME3.

I'm in an odd situation where I am not going to have access to the internet for about 6 months with my computer. I was planning on bringing Mass Effect 3 with me during this time, but if I can't get online at all for 6 months, am I going to be unable to launch ME3? That would probably be a deal breaker in buying it for PC. I've been playing ME2 on PC and much prefer it to the console, but at least on the console I can play it wherever I am.

*siiiiigh* Why do PC game developers have to make it so effing hard to play the games we buy? This shouldn't be such an ordeal.

You only need the Internet for initial activation, after that you can stay offline or even disconnect the Internet unless you want to play multi player.

[TheBacon00]

OK, that's fine then. I guess it wouldn't be the end of the world if I can't play it during the summer as I'm sure I'll finish it long before I leave, but it's good to know I'll have the option.

I might pick it up for the 360 later, anyway. I have the other 2 on both so I might as well complete my collection (plus it's pretty easy to convert the savegames for ME2 across platforms) =)

[dmex]

CenturyCrow wrote...
just installed long enough to finish the series before I wipe the drive.

Dont forget to nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. (Aliens-1986)

I really don't understand these actions when there's ample evidence to show Origin doesn't do anything with your data. 

[AloraKast]

dmex wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...
just installed long enough to finish the series before I wipe the drive.

Dont forget to nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. (Aliens-1986)

I really don't understand these actions when there's ample evidence to show Origin doesn't do anything with your data. 

It's because, to some, being forced to use an application instead of being given a choice to use an application... well, it doesn't sit well.  Is it really so hard to believe that when something we've all been waiting for and looking forward to for a long time is finally just around the corner and we find out that the PC version is being made available ONLY with these strings attached, that people will go out of their way to voice their displeasure with the arrangement? For that is what all this is; anything from changing the platform you purchase the game on, through continuing the dialogue on these forums with respect to how Origin works with ME3, to writing letters to various government bodies, to researching silicone containers or considering even worse alternatives and finally to making the difficult decision of forgoing experiencing the game altogether.

To me it's not so much about the supposed "spyware", "malware" or whatever else have you aspect of Origin, but rather the simple fact that it IS being forced on the consumers instead of it being offered (why not entice people to utilize Origin with a free weapon/outfit bonus items exclusive to Origin instead of PC players just HAVING to utilize it, no matter whether you are purchasing a physical copy of ME3 and only interested in the singleplayer campaign - that boggles my mind the most). Generally people don't respond well to being FORCED to do anything... even when some would have no problem doing whatever if only they are ASKED. That is the crux of the issue to me. You have my back against the wall, I WILL go out of my way and even to the extremes to let you know how much I don't like it.

So yes, nuking the site from orbit IS the only way to be sure.

[Ryryk]

Oh no -.- Not Mass Effect 3 on Origin...

I just bought Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning. Can't get Origin running on my computer, even if I top all the system requirements of KoA:R. Tried all the troubleshootings EA have on their website...

That means I can't install KoA:R. And, looking at the Origin/EA forums, they do nothing about this problem, which is experienced by many guys.

So I guess I have to cancel my pre-order for Mass Effect 3 I did back in August... 75€ are worth more to me than hours of pain in the ass...

[CenturyCrow]

dmex wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...
just installed long enough to finish the series before I wipe the drive.

Dont forget to nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. (Aliens-1986)

I really don't understand these actions when there's ample evidence to show Origin doesn't do anything with your data. 

If it's a matter of trust, why doesn't EA trust US, their paying customers?  I'm paying for the game, not for Origin.

The short answer would be: It's my game, in spite of what EA claims, and it's my computer and I don't want Origin or Steam or anything else on it, that isn't useful to me. Origin does nothing for me and from what I've read creates additional problems for some people. Why would I want it?

[CenturyCrow]

duplicate post

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 10 février 2012 - 06:28 .

[Weskerr]

I found this quote in another thread concering DLCs:

Stanley Woo wrote...

Also, noting is gained or learned
when we all agree on something. it's only when we can talk out our
disagreements that we can learn something new and, maybe, change our
minds about things. Oh, and in case it's unclear, I work for a large
corporation but I am still an advocate of consumer power, another reason
I like these discussions.

Are you still an advocate of consumer power, Mr. Woo? Or do you approve of the censorship and squelching of customer dissent of Origin on these forums and in this thread? How can anyone change one's mind or learn something new when disagreement and discussion aren't allowed?

[Rotkaepchen]

dmex wrote...

Dont forget to nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. (Aliens-1986)

I really don't understand these actions when there's ample evidence to show Origin doesn't do anything with your data. 

With all due respect and esteem for what you have contributed to this thread, and for the effort to create an alternative to origin.

You've been endowed from mother nature with the gift of rationality and free will, and yet you don't seem to grasp the concept of not wanting to have something forced down your throat.

Yeah, I know, we don't have to buy it, and I won't, but don't forget who you're talking to, we're fans dedicated to the ME lore.

I can apprehend greed, but not your lack of understanding such basic things.

[Furtled]

dmex wrote...
Dont forget to nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. (Aliens-1986)

I really don't understand these actions when there's ample evidence to show Origin doesn't do anything with your data. 

Game over man

*ahem* Sorry - It's not people worried about what it collects, it's the fact it does collect it without asking or giving the option to not send information (as Steam does - EDIT: not any more as it turns out, cheeky monkeys! Well then, even more reason for EA to do it), some people would really prefer EA showed some manners and asked if they could collect data, instead of giving themselves the right buried deep within the EULA; and while I personally don't think EA will do anything they shouldn't with that data, I do get where the people with concerns are coming from.

Think of it this way: I like and trust my boss, but if he showed up on my doorstep I'd still expect him to wait for an invitation and not just walk into my home on the assumption that I probably won't object (and if he did I definitely wouldn't like him as much afterwards, especially if he started poking around). Does that make sense?

This isn't a technical thing, when it comes to PCs and their contents, feelings get involved because for many PC gamers their PC is very much like their home; and they'd really rather EA waited to be invited in.

P.S. '86??? I am so old...

P.P.S. Guys, having a go at individual mods = not constructive, whatever a mods individual feelings on a subject they still have to do their job, let's not make this personal if we can avoid it please.

Modifié par Furtled, 10 février 2012 - 10:23 .

[CenturyCrow]

Furtled wrote...
P.S. '86??? I am so old...

Nah. I can remember Forbidden Planet, 1956, classic Sci-Fi (Starring Leslie Nielsen) no CGI. It must have occurred in a parallel universe, since there's no mention of reapers.

[LittleDiegito]

dmex wrote...

I really don't understand these actions when there's ample evidence to show Origin doesn't do anything with your data. 

Because I dont want unnecessary crap taking up space on my machine? I dont think thats terribly hard to understand. As Ive mentioned before all Origin does for me personally is take up space on my machine.  It does nothing, except it seems interrupt my gaming to harass me. What I still really dont understand (because its not been answered) is why Origin is required for a physical retail copy of a game that will only ever see single player campaign usage.

And as others have mentioned Im annoyed by its a requirement. I dont use DDS but if I decided I wanted to I would have given Origin a fair look along with the others in deciding what to go with. Cramming it down my throat like this just makes me hate it and EA (Im a big Bioware fanboy and I hate to admit that my estimation of Bioware is quite a bit lower than it was due to this alone) no matter how good either are, and should I decide to use DDS it wont ever be Origin. I think theres a saying about first impressions that sums it up better than I do, and clubbing me in the face with it was not the way to make a good one

Modifié par LittleDiegito, 10 février 2012 - 07:44 .

[KyreneZA]

CenturyCrow wrote...

You don't mention it, but does Origin Uninstall cleanly?

I don't know. I still need to use it to get the ME3 demo, and I suppose whatever data it could send about me it already did in the 4+ hours it took me to download the KoA:R demo (yeah, I know, welcome to the 3rd world). For now it squats in a little corner of my second HDD, until I'm ready to double-click on it come Valentine's Day.

DAII was my last BW/EA game, but then I started playing ME1... I'd love to have closure, so will probably endure Origin for as long as ME3 fever takes to abate, then I'm also nuking that drive (from orbit).

[Furtled]

AloraKast wrote...
Generally people don't respond well to being FORCED to do anything... even when some would have no problem doing whatever if only they are ASKED. That is the crux of the issue to me. You have my back against the wall, I WILL go out of my way and even to the extremes to let you know how much I don't like it.

Also this. I work in marketing, I get paid to help persuade people to use my company's products and I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that no company has ever won over customers by forcing them into something. Doing so is generally considered commercial suicide. EA will get a boost in numbers from this, but I'd put down money that a good chunk of those customers will de-install Origin as soon as they've finished with ME3 and never touch it again.

Professionally this whole thing makes me want to headesk repeatedly because it would be so easy to do this right, as it is EA are prioritising short term gain over long term growth, and that kind of strategy is always damaging in the long run.

Myself, if Origin had been optional I might have installed it alongside ME3, I might even have used it for other games; I'd certainly have given it a fair chance against Steam. But after all this? Not a chance.

Modifié par Furtled, 10 février 2012 - 08:35 .

[KyreneZA]

Furtled wrote...

Professionally this whole thing makes me want to headesk repeatedly because it would be so easy to do this right, as it is EA are prioritising short term gain over long term growth, and that kind of strategy is always damaging in the long run.

Not really short term gains either, just bleeding less money ($-205 vs. $-322 million for Q3)

[Pupuppu]

Furtled wrote...

Myself, if Origin had been optional I might have installed it alongside ME3, I might even have used it for other games; I'd certainly have given it a fair chance against Steam. But after all this? Not a chance.

Completly agree, and if in addition they'd just asked and maybe showed what data they will plan to transmit one might be willing to give them more then they asked for. Unfortunatly this isn't the case, so I took my planned ME3 investment to double-fine and will stick with the "basic" ME3 rented/used on console.