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[Furtled]

Kyrene wrote...
Not really short term gains either, just bleeding less money ($-205 vs. $-322 million for Q3)

Thing is, from looking at Origin you can tell EA are still approaching this from a product perspective; and that's what's going to kill it in the long run, right now it's just a very slick (but rather temperamental) store front with a few social features tacked on. Looking at Steam you can see they've designed and built it as a service from the start, everything on there is geared towards providing value for their customers and Valve know that, that's why it's taken off the way it has despite the many teething troubles.

If EA want to move into digital they need to stop thinking in terms of boxes on shelves; digital distribution is a service and unlike when Steam first launched, there's already plenty of people out there not only providing the same sort of service, but doing it better. The basics of luring people onto Origin has to be looking at the statement "I like Steam but I wish it ......" and filling in the blanks; store exclusives and other types of things that currently work in retail will only go so far, and the loss of goodwill that's already happening due to various privacy and technical issues is not helped by backing their customers into corners.

Anywho sorry - back on topic. In case peeps aren't reading the EA Thread they've confirmed that all patches and DLCs for ME3 will be available through BSN same as they are with ME2. So some good news there.

Modifié par Furtled, 10 février 2012 - 09:46 .

[LittleDiegito]

Furtled wrote...

Anywho sorry - back on topic. In case peeps aren't reading the EA Thread they've confirmed that all patches and DLCs for ME3 will be available through BSN same as they are with ME2. So some good news there.

Thats great news! Im happy to hear it.

[Zargon VII]

Kyrene wrote...
The basics of luring people onto Origin has to be looking at the statement "I like Steam but I wish it ......" and filling in the blanks; store exclusives and other types of things that currently work in retail will only go so far, and the loss of goodwill that's already happening due to various privacy and technical issues is not helped by backing their customers into corners.

Well said, if I worked at EA and was in charge of launching Origin, I would not force it upon people but would try to actually compete with Steam by doing consumer-friendly things like allowing game trading/selling to friends and taking a cut off the top (a big complaint with Steam) and at least making an attempt to match Steam sales every now and then.
Origin is making no attempt to actually compete with Steam, they are just trying to bludgeon EA/Bioware game lovers into using it with no benefit whatsoever to them.  It's the wrong way to go about it and I hope it fails in the long run.  I hated Steam when it first came out, but it has improved a lot and the great sales have won me over as a consumer.  The key is you actually have to do something for the consumer.

Modifié par Zargon VII, 10 février 2012 - 09:39 .

[dmex]

 

Rotkaepchen wrote...

dmex wrote...
Dont forget to nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. (Aliens-1986)
I really don't understand these actions when there's ample evidence to show Origin doesn't do anything with your data.

With all due respect and esteem for what you have contributed to this thread, and for the effort to create an alternative to origin.
You've been endowed from mother nature with the gift of rationality and free will, and yet you don't seem to grasp the concept of not wanting to have something forced down your throat.
Yeah, I know, we don't have to buy it, and I won't, but don't forget who you're talking to, we're fans dedicated to the ME lore.
I can apprehend greed, but not your lack of understanding such basic things.

No I understand the issues and rationale, the comment I made was about how I don't understand why you would wipe your hard-drive and reinstall Windows. It's a rather extreme reaction to an application that’s been discussed at some length and should be well understood about what does and doesn't do on your system, I mean, it doesn't make sense to wipe your hard-drive and reinstall Windows (the nuclear option) every time you disliked an application or were unsure about something.

Furtled wrote...It's not people worried about what it collects, it's the fact it does collect it without asking or giving the option to not send information (as Steam does), some people would really prefer EA showed some manners and asked if they could collect data, instead of giving themselves the right buried deep within the EULA; and while I personally don't think EA will do anything they shouldn't with that data, I do get where the people with concerns are coming from. 
This isn't a technical thing, when it comes to PCs and their contents, feelings get involved because for many PC gamers their PC is very much like their home; and they'd really rather EA waited to be invited in. 

See above, also; Steam doesn't prompt to send the survey since around this time last year, your machine specs, software and some other data is collected and automatically sent to Valve every month.

LittleDiegito wrote...Because I dont want unnecessary crap taking up space on my machine? I dont think thats terribly hard to understand.

Origin is 50mb, these days 1TB is the standard and very cheap, 50mb is 0.00005 of a TB, I would say it is hard to understand why space is a concern. 

LittleDiegito wrote...As Ive mentioned before all Origin does for me personally is take up space on my machine.  It does nothing, except it seems interrupt my gaming to harass me. What I still really dont understand (because its not been answered) is why Origin is required for a physical retail copy of a game that will only ever see single player campaign usage.

For you personally it might not add value to the gaming experience, however, it does for the majority of others and as they say one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. The number of users who dislike various Origin features far outweigh the number actually requesting them and more (e.g. Voice support, Facebook chat). While we would like to support each users individual preferences, you have to consider the majority first before you can look at how to individualise the features.

LittleDiegito wrote...What I still really dont understand (because its not been answered) is why Origin is required for a physical retail copy of a game that will only ever see single player campaign usage.

I've explained this somewhat before on the other threads, every application has dependencies and Origin is no exception. In this instance ME3 will reply upon Origin to authenticate the user with the EA network, check your rights to play the game, provide your cd-key, cloud support, chat support, backup support etc... the list continues.
Windows ships libraries for applications, Origin ships libraries for applications. It's not practicable to fork these libraries for every last game without forking the development and support of these libraries, this would most defiantly cause a lot more issues than you can imagine (seealso: DLL Hell). 

Modifié par dmex, 10 février 2012 - 10:04 .

[MingWolf]

Sad thing is, if it fails, one would no longer be able to access games like ME3, BF3, KoA and so on.

[MingWolf]

dmex wrote...
For you personally it might not add value to the gaming experience, however, it does for the majority of others and as they say one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. The number of users who dislike various Origin features far outweigh the number actually requesting them and more (e.g. Voice support, Facebook chat). While we would like to support each users individual preferences, you have to consider the majority first before you can look at how to individualise the features.

Is there a statistic out there that a majority of people are favoring this?  I don't mean smash your response here, but in cruising various forums and sites, I don't exactly see a lot of people supporting this.  The majority response seems implausible.  I can see a lot of people putting up with Origin, but hardly enough actually wanting it on their hard drive if they had the option.  

[kirvingtwo]

dmex wrote...
For you personally it might not add value to the gaming experience, however, it does for the majority of others and as they say one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. The number of users who dislike various Origin features far outweigh the number actually requesting them and more (e.g. Voice support, Facebook chat). While we would like to support each users individual preferences, you have to consider the majority first before you can look at how to individualise the features.

So the majority of users dislike Origin features?

[Furtled]

dmex wrote...
See above, also; Steam doesn't prompt to send the survey since around this time last year, your machine specs, software and some other data is collected and automatically sent to Valve every month.

Ahh right (on both counts), I only installed it briefly a year or so back and it did then, didn't think they'd have changed something like that without asking - cheeky so and so's. I apologise and I'll go back and change that.

Ignoring the data collection issue my point about it coming in uninvited still stands; people aren't inviting Origin onto their PCs - it's more a digital gatecrasher that somehow latched on to your best friend (I'm aware that's stretching the analogy a bit but there you go!).

And you make a fair point about not being able to please everyone, but surely making it optional would be a very easy way to cut down on the amount of complaining?

[LittleDiegito]

dmex wrote...

LittleDiegito wrote...What I still really dont understand (because its not been answered) is why Origin is required for a physical retail copy of a game that will only ever see single player campaign usage.

I've explained this somewhat before on the other threads, every application has dependencies and Origin is no exception. In this instance ME3 will reply upon Origin to authenticate the user with the EA network, check your rights to play the game, provide your cd-key, cloud support, chat support, backup support etc... the list continues.
Windows ships libraries for applications, Origin ships libraries for applications. It's not practicable to fork these libraries for every last game without forking the development and support of these libraries, this would most defiantly cause a lot more issues than you can imagine (seealso: DLL Hell). 

Ok. I understand that its used to authenticate the first time. After the first time it will no longer have internet access (in my case anyway) so how is it going to do anything at all with the EA network or any of that other stuff? Is it really set up to ask the local client on my machine if my game is pirated every time I launch the game?

I also dont feel that 'it doesnt take up very much space' is a legitamite reason to install things I will never use. In the end EA wants me to put their software on my machine just because. Theyre using the closing chapter of a series that needed no such thing before, knowing that me and others like me really dont want to be left hanging, to bully me into putting it there. It doesnt matter how much space its taking up, that its doing it at allis the problem.

[Chris Priestly]

Ok, I tried to leave this open, but fans continue to ignore the Origin forum thread. As such, this thread gets closed.

Please use the Origin Discussion forum for outstanding questions. Thanks.


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