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[Olwydd]

wolfsite wrote...

Olwydd wrote...

I just hope that BioWare will eventually allow users to access ME3 withouthaving to go through Origin. For now, I’ll buy ME3 and install Origin, but I won’t be happy about it. I don’t like people looking through my stuff without permission. That type of thing should be illegal.

I'm not implying anything hre but if you haven't I would suggest reading this

tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBPRIVACY/US/en/PC/

I've read it. I still don't like it.

I'm aware that by agreeing to the EULA, I have accepted all of EA's terms. That's standard EULA procedure. I don't like the fact that I have to install a secondary programme in order to run the application I've lawfully bought, and that this programme can peruse my computer at will. That I cannot disable this invasive feature is what should be illegal. It's not, but it should be.

[wolfsite]

Olwydd wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Olwydd wrote...

I just hope that BioWare will eventually allow users to access ME3 withouthaving to go through Origin. For now, I’ll buy ME3 and install Origin, but I won’t be happy about it. I don’t like people looking through my stuff without permission. That type of thing should be illegal.

I'm not implying anything hre but if you haven't I would suggest reading this

tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBPRIVACY/US/en/PC/

I've read it. I still don't like it.

I'm aware that by agreeing to the EULA, I have accepted all of EA's terms. That's standard EULA procedure. I don't like the fact that I have to install a secondary programme in order to run the application I've lawfully bought, and that this programme can peruse my computer at will. That I cannot disable this invasive feature is what should be illegal. It's not, but it should be.

It doesn't scan your computer, many users have posted Monitor programs showing that Origin stays within it's own directory structure and is no more intrusive than Steam.  The link also has contact information you can use to make your information more secure.

[CenturyCrow]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
But the question was what benefits to the player. I am a player and those were/are the benefits to me.

Probably little to none for the single player user with a retail copy; just added baggage that wasn't needed for any of the previous BioWare games. Possibly there's some advantage for the user from a DRM perspective but we'll never know. I've yet to see anything EA has touted about Origin that makes it useful, let alone desireable. Saying it's better than UbiSoft isn't an argument, that's damage control.

The only possible alternative, is dmex's OpenSource version might cut out some of the social aspects that people don't want (to cut down on system overhead). And we'll have to wait for dmex to advise on that.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 04 février 2012 - 02:26 .

[Olwydd]

wolfsite wrote...


It doesn't scan your computer, many users have posted Monitor programs showing that Origin stays within it's own directory structure and is no more intrusive than Steam.  The link also has contact information you can use to make your information more secure.

I couldn't care less how it compares to Steam (which I'm not thrilled about either). I'm not arguing their relative merits. My concern is that by installing ME3 I must also install Origin (a programme that is not, strictly speaking, necessary to run the application), and that there is no Opt-Out feature for any information gathering it does perform, as there is for most telemetry tracking.

It seems like a cumbersome add-on, and the amount of concern that it has generated (valid or not) should be reason enough not to include it.

[Darkchipper07]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:27 .

[Weskerr]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:26 .

[Inspectre]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:26 .

[Inspectre]

delete please.

Modifié par Dragon XIX, 04 février 2012 - 05:14 .

[Weskerr]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:26 .

[craigdolphin]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:25 .

[Biobleh]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:25 .

[Gatt9]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:25 .

[sreaction]

I am not sure what the point of the thread is either...


There are now, three Mass Effect and Origin threads. Two of them are locked.
The responses in the two locked threads were so overwhelmingly negative toward
Origin that the moderators locked them. Sort of an out of site, pun intended,
out of mind strategy. They dont want negative fan reaction to Origin to be a
salient topic in this forum.


Priestly lays out specific guidlines for thread responses. He states that this
thread is for  "...Mass Effect 3 related Origin questions."
Clearly its an attempt to mitigate the negative responses and divert the
conversation to a more mundane tone.


It seems to me if thats what they want they can just sticky a FAQ for Origin
and ME3 and lock the thread. So yes I dont see the point in the thread either.
It is a  case of a forum ceasing to be a forum when you corral fan
responses, especially in this case when customers are clearly upset by forced
inclusion of third party software for a game.



Perhaps our posts should first hurldle a censor before they are actually
admitted since we all need to toe the party line. Me like Origin Origin is
good.


Oh!I need to ask a a question... lets see.


Heres my question: when will you cease to force feed unnecessary
(Origin)software on customers in order to play your game/s (ME3)?


Second question is Origin/ME3 the prototype for all upcoming EA/Bioware games?


Third and final question, since the Origin EULA states my personally
indentifiable and non personally identifiable information can be shared with
third parties/advertising companies, will EA share any profits it earns off of
my information with me?


I mean what a deal! I pay full price for your software, which I technically
dont own, and you get my tertiary web/pc history for free to share/sell 
with/to advertisers.

Modifié par sreaction, 05 février 2012 - 05:28 .

[LoK-y-Yo]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:23 .

[MarauderESP]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:23 .

[Rotkaepchen]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:23 .

[fchopin]

Chris has already answered my question, origin is required to run in the background while playing single play in ME3 so i have no further questions.

[DragonRageGT]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:22 .

[Metalrocks]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:22 .

[MrAtomica]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:22 .

[Rotkaepchen]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:21 .

[wolfsite]

Gatt9 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rotkaepchen wrote...

Mr. Priestly, with all due respect, you may want to stop flattering people who back you up and start answearing some serious questions, like "What does Origin add to the ME3 experience from the player's point of view? I
understand how data collection benefits EA, but does this forced service actually add anything to the single-player game experience for us?". Sorry, but no smiley here.

Question was originally posed with the added mention of asking for no marketing speak, well if don't want marketing speak then it's a question for the players not the company at that stage.

As a player who uses it and already answered this myself, how I have preference for the Origin client over Steam regarding resources used and speed of both download and application itself, I use both. I prefer getting my titles through digital distribution instead of having shelves full of cd's, dvd's and blu-ray's which to be honest is quite annoying these days. I have friends on both clients and talk to them and the only thing I would like more so with Origin which believe will come over time is more titles, more sales and lastly few more features but the client itself is good imho better than steams client and I prefer to use clients than retail to keep my games organised and stored as well as way to avoid annoying issues of lost or scratched discs. The no client option for purpose of DD which already stated prefer myself over retail, is not as good because it requires me to remember over a dozen passwords and usernames for each D2D, GoG, Gamersgate, Impulse, Amazon and many more. A client or in my case two clients is better for me in this regard.

1.  I get my full 35mb/sec from Steam.  Are you really trying to claim I'll exceed the speed my network is capable of downloading at if I use Origin?

2.  Considering all of the reports about Origin crashing,  are you really trying to claim it's more stable than Steam?

3.  You're not seriously trying to claim Origin is faster than Steam in execution are you?  I'll guarantee you cannot back this up.

4.  You're exposing your youth again.  It's very obvious you have not yet seen what happens when a service shuts down.  From experience,  I can tell you,  your money becomes wasted.  To this day,  I have a 20 year old copy of Tie Fighter I can play.  But the Earth and Beyond I bought from EA?  Completely useless.

If you'd like to take a moment to learn why your arguement is misguided,  you could go ahead and buy a copy of Might and Magic Heroes 6 on Steam tonight and try to play it.  Ubisoft pulled down the servers for the next 7 days,  everyone who payed their money and bought a copy are completely unable to play the game for the next week.  It's a little preview of why signing up for proprietary services traditionally does not end well. 

5.  If you're a game developer,  and you can put your game on a service with 40 million users,  or a service with a great deal less than 10 million users,  which one is a better decision?

6.  You could avoid issues of lost or scratched discs by putting them in their cases and storing them in a drawer.  It's been proven quite effective since the introduction of CD's well over 20 years ago.

7.  I don't suppose it ever occurred to you to use the same username/password for all of the sites?

Forgive me but some of these are a bit unfair (or loaded questions)

Questions 1 - 3 are more personal experience, just because one person has a bad experience does not automatically mean everyone has a bad experience or poor performance, same for the opposite of if a person has a good experience it doesn't mean everyone has a good experience.

Question 4 is invalid in this sense as Earth & Beyond was a subscription based MMO and games like this do eventually get shut down if they do not succeed profit wise,  there are many MMO games along side E&B from other publishers in that graveyard.

EA is not UBI-Soft, if EA servers go down (Or you go offline) you can still play single player games without hassle.

I'll assume question 5 is about Steam (doesn't have 40 million subscribers by the way..... isn't exageration great)  EA still releases games on Steam as it has been stated numourous times (Alice: Madness Returns, Shank, Sims) the issue is with Steam's TOS in regards to DLC being sold directly on Steam.  EA games with DLC normally have the ability to buy the DLC within the game (Or link you to the DLC site) which would go against Steams terms of usage.  This is simple business of one company wanting additional royalties from content and another company not wanting not accepting the terms in place.

(For the above paragraph I will say both sides should show some leverage in this case however it is unfair for one company to dictate how another company sells additional content).

No arguement with Question 6.  Only time I had a damaged disc was due to a faulty case.

Question 7 I would say is a bad idea as using the same login and password everywhere could compromise your security.

[Rotkaepchen]

Forgive me but some of these are a bit unfair (or loaded questions)

Questions 1 - 3 are more personal experience, just because one person has a bad experience does not automatically mean everyone has a bad experience or poor performance, same for the opposite of if a person has a good experience it doesn't mean everyone has a good experience.

Question 4 is invalid in this sense as Earth & Beyond was a subscription based MMO and games like this do eventually get shut down if they do not succeed profit wise,  there are many MMO games along side E&B from other publishers in that graveyard.

EA is not UBI-Soft, if EA servers go down (Or you go offline) you can still play single player games without hassle.

I'll assume question 5 is about Steam (doesn't have 40 million subscribers by the way..... isn't exageration great)  EA still releases games on Steam as it has been stated numourous times (Alice: Madness Returns, Shank, Sims) the issue is with Steam's TOS in regards to DLC being sold directly on Steam.  EA games with DLC normally have the ability to buy the DLC within the game (Or link you to the DLC site) which would go against Steams terms of usage.  This is simple business of one company wanting additional royalties from content and another company not wanting not accepting the terms in place.

(For the above paragraph I will say both sides should show some leverage in this case however it is unfair for one company to dictate how another company sells additional content).

No arguement with Question 6.  Only time I had a damaged disc was due to a faulty case.

Question 7 I would say is a bad idea as using the same login and password everywhere could compromise your security.

wolfsite, dude, pls don't be mad with me, but no way in hell you don't work for €A, rotfl.

And if don't yet, I'm sure you'll get a job proposition soon, hehe.

[Icinix]

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Are you kidding me???

These post deletes are bull crap.

Modifié par Icinix, 04 février 2012 - 10:56 .

[Pupuppu]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 04 février 2012 - 03:32 .