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[Ryzaki]

BlueMagitek wrote...
That's fair enough; I do have a Colonist/SS, just for the woobie factor.  They're generally nice people, but they'll murder anyone involved in slaving if the option presents itself, and Batarians in general, due to the entire Mindoir thing.

You don't *need* to RP an Earthborn/Ruthless the way I do; you could easily play an atoner; which is easier than playing a "fall from grace" Spacer, in my opinion.  

But I'm afraid we're getting off topic.  I feel bad for Liara; instead of working on Ilos, as you'd think she'd be doing, she's off in the boring world of information brokering.  Volus do this job!  Volus!

Woobies. Especially hawt woobies.

Yeah I just can't stomach it. My Sheps couldn't stomach it. So (yes even the renedouche. Renedouche may be a jerkwad but at his core he wouldn't want most under his command to die. They're his responsibility irritating as hell or not.)

lmao.

[Vilio1]

Some people here are really obsessed with Liara, and I don't mean her fans.

[Collider]

Jobasha wrote...

Being crucial to the plot is one thing; being forced upon the player is another. If you hate the character (and I can understand why, even though I personally like her) you don't need to have more interaction with her than with your favorite characters.
In ME1 there are only short interactions; in ME2 there are only a couple of conversations; LOTSB is roughly equivalent to one recruitment and one loyalty mission; in ME3 we'll see, but I doubt she will get in the way of the other characters you will meet.
I don't see the reason to complain; I don't like either Ash or Kaidan for instance, but they're part of the story, it's only natural I will have to interact a bit with the VS.

You have to interact with the VS, but you don't really need to be friends with them.
That's the thing.

[BlueMagitek]

Ryzaki wrote...

Woobies. Especially hawt woobies.

Yeah I just can't stomach it. My Sheps couldn't stomach it. So (yes even the renedouche. Renedouche may be a jerkwad but at his core he wouldn't want most under his command to die. They're his responsibility irritating as hell or not.)

lmao.

I read that as wookies at first and was a tad confused.  Alas poor Zalibar.

Those actions had to be done; their sacrifice was not in vain and if Shepard had to die alongside them for the mission to succeed, she would have.  But their actions demand punishment, carried out by the blood of heroes.

Remember the Volus Broker who also worked for the SB in ME 1?  All he did was sit there, chillax, the usual.

[Ryzaki]

BlueMagitek wrote...
I read that as wookies at first and was a tad confused.  Alas poor Zalibar.

Those actions had to be done; their sacrifice was not in vain and if Shepard had to die alongside them for the mission to succeed, she would have.  But their actions demand punishment, carried out by the blood of heroes.

Remember the Volus Broker who also worked for the SB in ME 1?  All he did was sit there, chillax, the usual.

XD I tend to play DS in KOTOR too. Poor guy.

Still my Shep couldn't do it. Let someone else carry that burden.

Lucky. You know he was getting paid.

Collider wrote...

You have to interact with the VS, but you don't really need to be friends with them.
That's the thing.

This.

If we can go back to being nice/friendly/hostile to Liara like in ME1 I'll have no issue.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 février 2012 - 01:53 .

[SolidBeast]

Vilio1 wrote...

Some people here are really obsessed with Liara, and I don't mean her fans.

How so?

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

******* spoilers man I gotta start forcing myself to stay away from BSN, I can never help it!

[PrinceLionheart]

Ryzaki wrote...

ME3: Based off the leak script the Reapers only become defeatable thanks to her.

The f***?

If that's literally the case, then she's going to deserve every Mary Sue accusation she'll get next month.

Haasth wrote...

Yes and no.

I would say that in Mass Effect 2 it was Miranda who clearly had the bigger impact on the main goal at the time.
In the greater picture of things I would say Liara does qualify for 'most important' though.

Miranda's only role in ME2 was to be a catalyst for Shep being revived, and even then Bioware almost completely avoided talking about his revival. After that, it all became about her personal issues.

Plot-wise, the only ME2 squaddie who was actually relevant to the plot was Mordin.

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 04 février 2012 - 02:39 .

[Drone223]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ME3: Based off the leak script the Reapers only become defeatable thanks to her.

The f***?

If that's literally the case, then she's going to deserve every Mary Sue accusation she'll get next month.

Haasth wrote...

Yes and no.

I would say that in Mass Effect 2 it was Miranda who clearly had the bigger impact on the main goal at the time.
In the greater picture of things I would say Liara does qualify for 'most important' though.

Miranda's only role in ME2 was to be a catalyst for Shep being revived, and even then Bioware almost completely avoided talking about his revival. After that, it all became about her personal issues.

Plot-wise, the only ME2 squaddie who was actually relevant to the plot was Mordin.

And Legion

[PrinceLionheart]

Drone223 wrote...

And Legion

I feel bad for forgetting about him.

His loyalty mission actually tied into the plot really well and added a lot to the geth lore. So yeah, Mordin and Legion. Everyone else was just in their own little worlds waiting for their Loyalty Missions that didn't actually tie-in to the plot.

[Asch Lavigne]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Drone223 wrote...

And Legion

I feel bad for forgetting about him.

His loyalty mission actually tied into the plot really well and added a lot to the geth lore. So yeah, Mordin and Legion. Everyone else was just in their own little worlds waiting for their Loyalty Missions that didn't actually tie-in to the plot.

What about Tali? Her recruitment mission mentioned Dark Matter and a dying sun. Dark Matter was also mentioned somewhere else in the game, can't remember where.

Her loyalty mission pretty much said "The Quarians will be going to all out war with the Geth" which we know is happening in ME3.

Mordin's LM had the genophage which I'm certain will come up again.

Grunt & Mordin's LMs, well just being on Tuchanka with Wrex or Reave(?) uniting the Korgan is also relevant.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 04 février 2012 - 05:23 .

[Drone223]

^That too

[Dariustwinblade]

Yes, Liara is one of the most important squadmate.

ME1: Shepard gets to Illos because of Liara. If she is recruited early she is important or relavant after every main mission.

Noveria: She is Benezia's daughter and hence more relavant to that subplot of the Noveria arc than the other squad.

Feros: After the getting the cypher. Liara melds with you to make you understand the vision.
In Feros arc no one else is important.

Vermire: Ok, Wrex and VS are more important than Liara. Still after Vermire Liara completes your vision and was able to deduce Illos. She was the only one who could do that.


ME2: Liara saves your body from the collector. As a result you were alive to play Me2.
She is needed to recruit Thane and Samara.
Thats about it!

Still more important than most squadmate in me2.


ME3: She becomes the Shadow Broker with or without your help.

Using her Shadow Broker info network AND her prothean experties AND the cipher she got from Shepard AND her connection she got with the Alliance from working with Shepard during Me1.
All that comes together in Me3.


EVERYTHING she gained over the trilogy comes together.

And she finds out the key to defeating the Reapers on Mars. Which is why you meet her there and you main plot starts from there.

So yes she is the most important squadmate in the Me trilogy.

[Fidget6]

Liara has definitely had the most impact on the story out of all the squadmates. Even in the meetings in ME1, I was recently replaying, and forgot how much Liara dominated the conversation in all of them. In fact, other than one or two lines by someone else, she was always the ONLY one that talked. It made me regret getting her before doing the Noveria and Feros missions. I like Liara fine, but the Mary Sue factor is quite annoying.

Modifié par Fidget6, 04 février 2012 - 05:56 .

[Dariustwinblade]

And from the looks of it most people don't know what a Mary Sue is. Hint plot relavance and armor=/=Mary Sue.

[Fidget6]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

And from the looks of it most people don't know what a Mary Sue is. Hint plot relavance and armor=/=Mary Sue.

Well I meant Mary Sue as in blatant favoritism by the writers. To the point where the other characters get shoved aside to show off how awesome Liara is. Although, I know technically a "Mary Sue" character would probably be someone more like Kurt on Glee (though he's a male example) a character that can do no wrong and is completely flawless and serves as the moral compass for the other characters.

Modifié par Fidget6, 04 février 2012 - 07:26 .

[Dariustwinblade]

Agree she is not a Sue. Just a blatant writer's favourite.

Mr Walter once said that Liara was her favourite character.

[Han Shot First]

Out of all the squadmates Liara has played the biggest role in Shepard's success so far. But that isn't to say that no other squad mates have played major roles in the plot. In between ME1 and ME2 Miranda plays arguably as big a role as Liara, and Tali is the one that provides the evidence that gets Saren labelled a traitor by the Council in ME1.

Liara, Miranda, and Tali make up a triumvirate of awesome that Shepard couldn't have done without. Remove any other squad mate from the team and Shepard probably achieves the same results. Remove Liara or Miranda and Shep is dead, and remove Tali and Shep can't prove Saren has turned traitor.

If anyone has gotten the shaft storywise, it would be the male squadmates. The biggest roles on the squad are all filled by female characters. 

That is just an observation by the way, and not intended as criticism. It is a bit ridiculous to expect all characters in a story to have the same amount of plot relevance. That happens in no work of fiction. With that in mind, I'm not sure why some fans expect all characters to have an equal impact on the plot in Mass Effect.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 04 février 2012 - 07:56 .

[darthnick427]

Han Shot First wrote...

Out of all the squadmates Liara has played the biggest role in Shepard's success so far. But that isn't to say that no other squad mates have played major roles in the plot. In between ME1 and ME2 Miranda plays arguably as big a role as Liara, and Tali is the one that provides the evidence that gets Saren labelled a traitor by the Council in ME1.

Liara, Miranda, and Tali make up a triumvirate of awesome that Shepard couldn't have done without. Remove any other squad mate from the team and Shepard probably achieves the same results. Remove Liara or Miranda and Shep is dead, and remove Tali and Shep can't prove Saren has turned traitor.

If anyone has gotten the shaft storywise, it would be the male squadmates. The biggest roles on the squad are all filled by female characters. 

And Wrex...and Legion...and Mordin...and Garrus because everyone needs a turian bro side kick:wizard:

[Kronner]

Yes. No contest.

[Dariustwinblade]

@Han Shot First that is not true.

Garrus and Wrex is responsible for finding out about Tali. Without them Tali would not have been found.

Mordin/Legion is important in Me2.


Regardless the most important ppl especially in Me3 are Hackett, Anderson and Liara who make up a trinity that supports Shepards back and on the other side is TIM who opposes Shep.

[mineralica]

Yes, she is the most important character on Normandy and probably the most important character in ME universe or second to TIM. I really wonder what BioWare thought about when they made one of squadmates Shadow Broker and the only Prothean expert around... risking to lose such important figure in random firefight is plain silly.

[LilyasAvalon]

Everyone has their own opinion. But in terms of Bioware's opinion? You can't really lie, she really is kind of put on her own little pedestal.

[Stardusk78]

Every story has essential characters. If it hadn't been Liara it would have been someone else.