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[Darth_Ultima]

(SPOILER ALERT) The spoiler pictures I saw had them resembling the Collectors but minus the bug like features (wings, hardened skin). They had a mouth and there eyes did not glow like the collectors. They seemed to wear an almost Asian style for cloths. In fact one of the pics I saw had the Prothean wearing am outfit that reminded me of Raidan's from Mortal Combat.

[Chala]

*Beware, this comment has spoilers*

@Han Shot First : Maybe because they look too "squishy" and thin like to be a combat race. So they decided to give them a more "agressive" look so it fits more with the Prothy's personality. Also, if you pay attention, some of the creatures on the visions look more humanoid that the statues seen on Ilos.
My guess: Bioware never had a "real" look for them, so they created random forms for the visions... And now that they have to give them a real look, they took advantage of that nice hole of "you've never seen they real form lolololol".
It's a kinda low approach, but the funniest part is that if it's well applied, it can fit with the lore.

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 04 février 2012 - 07:10 .

[Yuoaman]

Stun704 wrote...

If the squid like aliens were a previous cycle, how do you explain the fact they are present in the ME-1 prothean beacon and not the bug-like protean?

You mean the garbled data that looked like a garbled image?

Yeah, that sure looked like something.

[Epsilon330]

Han Shot First wrote...

There has been some retconning.

Prior to Mass Effect 3 the Protheans looked like the vaguely squid-faced beings portrayed on the Ilos statues and in all of Shepard's visions.

LO! Thar be spoilers yonder..........









As of Mass Effect 3, with the the announced Prothean squadmate, their appearance has been altered to look more like the Collectors, though less insectoid. The face tentacles are gone.

This is one decision that I think Bioware got wrong. First, I think it is a mistake to bring back the Protheans. Like the Dwemer of Elder Scrolls, Bioware should have kept them dead. Second, once the decision was locked in that there would be a Prothean squaddie, they should have created a character that resembled the Ilos statues and the Prothean visions more closely. With the retconned appearance the statues and beings in the visions now make as much sense as Mass Effect: Deception.

Preorder cancelled.

Just kidding. But I think Bioware fumbled the ball here.

We don't know exactly how far down the "Collectorification" he is/was.
That could explain his hybrid look: he began the process, but somehow
managed to break away from the indoctrination; leaving him with a
Prothean/Collector look. It also left him with a Renegade attitude, and
prodigious Biotic abilities.
That's my theory, anyway.

Modifié par Epsilon330, 04 février 2012 - 07:12 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

The protheans were an empire comprised of several species.

...That's likely a recent (as of ME2 or later) development, though. Shame BioWare didn't go for the humanoid cthulhu tentacle beasts in ME1.

[Tazzmission]

Stun704 wrote...

If the squid like aliens were a previous cycle, how do you explain the fact they are present in the ME-1 prothean beacon and not the bug-like protean?

The tentacle-faced statues on Ilos are not, I repeat NOT, Protheans. They were a primitive race that the Prothean empire conquered, similar to how the Spanish conquered the Aztecs and Incas in real life. The reason why the Conduit's research lab on Ilos was not detected by the Reapers 50,000 years ago was because the Protheans disguised it as the ruins of this primitive race, a race that the Reapers assumed was already destroyed.

Basically, the statues on Ilos are just Bioware trolling us.

Modifié par Tazzmission, 04 février 2012 - 07:15 .

[ZehnWaters]

Han Shot First wrote...

There has been some retconning.

Prior to Mass Effect 3 the Protheans looked like the vaguely squid-faced beings portrayed on the Ilos statues and in all of Shepard's visions.

LO! Thar be spoilers yonder..........










As of Mass Effect 3, with the the announced Prothean squadmate, their appearance has been altered to look more like the Collectors, though less insectoid. The face tentacles are gone.

This is one decision that I think Bioware got wrong. First, I think it is a mistake to bring back the Protheans. Like the Dwemer of Elder Scrolls, Bioware should have kept them dead. Second, once the decision was locked in that there would be a Prothean squaddie, they should have created a character that resembled the Ilos statues and the Prothean visions more closely. With the retconned appearance the statues and beings in the visions now make as much sense as Mass Effect: Deception.

Preorder cancelled.

Just kidding. But I think Bioware fumbled the ball here.

Yeah, I mean, it makes no sense.  Part of the Collector's was that they in almost no way resembled the Prothean's except for that one piece of junk gene.

[VictimN7]

Some of you are way too hung up on the Ilos statues when it has been made ABUNDANTLY clear that the cycle of extinction has been repeated MANY times. Just looking for problems where none exists.

[Tazzmission]

VictimN7 wrote...

Some of you are way too hung up on the Ilos statues when it has been made ABUNDANTLY clear that the cycle of extinction has been repeated MANY times. Just looking for problems where none exists.

i posted the asnwer a few posts up. its actually true

[ZehnWaters]

Tazzmission wrote...

Stun704 wrote...

If the squid like aliens were a previous cycle, how do you explain the fact they are present in the ME-1 prothean beacon and not the bug-like protean?

The tentacle-faced statues on Ilos are not, I repeat NOT, Protheans. They were a primitive race that the Prothean empire conquered, similar to how the Spanish conquered the Aztecs and Incas in real life. The reason why the Conduit's research lab on Ilos was not detected by the Reapers 50,000 years ago was because the Protheans disguised it as the ruins of this primitive race, a race that the Reapers assumed was already destroyed.

Basically, the statues on Ilos are just Bioware trolling us.

So them being in the vision is just of their conquered slaves?  Why?  To what end?  And where did you get this information?  This is a big retcon and it's silly.  Plus weren't the Prothean's the only space-faring race of their time?  Why conquer these guys and not others (ie. humans).

Modifié par ZehnWaters, 04 février 2012 - 08:03 .

[Tazzmission]

ZehnWaters wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Stun704 wrote...

If the squid like aliens were a previous cycle, how do you explain the fact they are present in the ME-1 prothean beacon and not the bug-like protean?

The tentacle-faced statues on Ilos are not, I repeat NOT, Protheans. They were a primitive race that the Prothean empire conquered, similar to how the Spanish conquered the Aztecs and Incas in real life. The reason why the Conduit's research lab on Ilos was not detected by the Reapers 50,000 years ago was because the Protheans disguised it as the ruins of this primitive race, a race that the Reapers assumed was already destroyed.

Basically, the statues on Ilos are just Bioware trolling us.

So them being in the vision is just of their conquered slaves?  Why?  To what end?  And where did you get this information?  This is a big retcon and it's silly.

i cant answer where i got it from but i will say that is the accurate storythough

 and always remember that back when me1 was in production the devs may of not yet had an idea on how the protheans look. things do change without it being a retcon

[VictimN7]

ZehnWaters wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Stun704 wrote...

If the squid like aliens were a previous cycle, how do you explain the fact they are present in the ME-1 prothean beacon and not the bug-like protean?

The tentacle-faced statues on Ilos are not, I repeat NOT, Protheans. They were a primitive race that the Prothean empire conquered, similar to how the Spanish conquered the Aztecs and Incas in real life. The reason why the Conduit's research lab on Ilos was not detected by the Reapers 50,000 years ago was because the Protheans disguised it as the ruins of this primitive race, a race that the Reapers assumed was already destroyed.

Basically, the statues on Ilos are just Bioware trolling us.

So them being in the vision is just of their conquered slaves?  Why?  To what end?  And where did you get this information?  This is a big retcon and it's silly.

Show me where it was ever CONFIRMED as a fact  that the statues were of Protheans.  Do you even know what a retcon is ????:innocent:

[Tazzmission]

VictimN7 wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Stun704 wrote...

If the squid like aliens were a previous cycle, how do you explain the fact they are present in the ME-1 prothean beacon and not the bug-like protean?

The tentacle-faced statues on Ilos are not, I repeat NOT, Protheans. They were a primitive race that the Prothean empire conquered, similar to how the Spanish conquered the Aztecs and Incas in real life. The reason why the Conduit's research lab on Ilos was not detected by the Reapers 50,000 years ago was because the Protheans disguised it as the ruins of this primitive race, a race that the Reapers assumed was already destroyed.

Basically, the statues on Ilos are just Bioware trolling us.

So them being in the vision is just of their conquered slaves?  Why?  To what end?  And where did you get this information?  This is a big retcon and it's silly.

Show me where it was ever CONFIRMED as a fact  that the statues were of Protheans.  Do you even know what a retcon is ????:innocent:

thank you! 

[Chala]

ZehnWaters wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Stun704 wrote...

If the squid like aliens were a previous cycle, how do you explain the fact they are present in the ME-1 prothean beacon and not the bug-like protean?

The tentacle-faced statues on Ilos are not, I repeat NOT, Protheans. They were a primitive race that the Prothean empire conquered, similar to how the Spanish conquered the Aztecs and Incas in real life. The reason why the Conduit's research lab on Ilos was not detected by the Reapers 50,000 years ago was because the Protheans disguised it as the ruins of this primitive race, a race that the Reapers assumed was already destroyed.

Basically, the statues on Ilos are just Bioware trolling us.

So them being in the vision is just of their conquered slaves?  Why?  To what end?  And where did you get this information?  This is a big retcon and it's silly.  Plus weren't the Prothean's the only space-faring race of their time?  Why conquer these guys and not others (ie. humans).

Well, they were studyng the humans too, but we were just a bunch of "booga bogga" by those times
We weren't too useful for them... yet.

Also, as I said before, they are taking advantage of a nice "legal" hole: It was never confirmed that those are real protheans, Shepard assumes that because everyone believed that they were the race that developed the ME tech and never took account the fact that there were other races before them.

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 04 février 2012 - 08:13 .

[Tazzmission]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Stun704 wrote...

If the squid like aliens were a previous cycle, how do you explain the fact they are present in the ME-1 prothean beacon and not the bug-like protean?

The tentacle-faced statues on Ilos are not, I repeat NOT, Protheans. They were a primitive race that the Prothean empire conquered, similar to how the Spanish conquered the Aztecs and Incas in real life. The reason why the Conduit's research lab on Ilos was not detected by the Reapers 50,000 years ago was because the Protheans disguised it as the ruins of this primitive race, a race that the Reapers assumed was already destroyed.

Basically, the statues on Ilos are just Bioware trolling us.

So them being in the vision is just of their conquered slaves?  Why?  To what end?  And where did you get this information?  This is a big retcon and it's silly.  Plus weren't the Prothean's the only space-faring race of their time?  Why conquer these guys and not others (ie. humans).

Well, they were studyng the humans too, but we were just a bunch of "booga bogga" by those times
We weren't too useful for them... yet.

Also, as I said before, they are taking advantage of a nice "legal" hole: It was never confirmed that those are real protheans, Shepard assumes that because everyone believed that they were the race that developed the ME tech and never took account the fact that there were other races before them.

also like i stated before liara even stated the protheans are NOT the first civilization as thought to be.

im really interested to see what that whole thing is about as in them watching humans

[ZehnWaters]

Tazzmission wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Stun704 wrote...

If the squid like aliens were a previous cycle, how do you explain the fact they are present in the ME-1 prothean beacon and not the bug-like protean?

The tentacle-faced statues on Ilos are not, I repeat NOT, Protheans. They were a primitive race that the Prothean empire conquered, similar to how the Spanish conquered the Aztecs and Incas in real life. The reason why the Conduit's research lab on Ilos was not detected by the Reapers 50,000 years ago was because the Protheans disguised it as the ruins of this primitive race, a race that the Reapers assumed was already destroyed.

Basically, the statues on Ilos are just Bioware trolling us.

So them being in the vision is just of their conquered slaves?  Why?  To what end?  And where did you get this information?  This is a big retcon and it's silly.  Plus weren't the Prothean's the only space-faring race of their time?  Why conquer these guys and not others (ie. humans).

Well, they were studyng the humans too, but we were just a bunch of "booga bogga" by those times
We weren't too useful for them... yet.

Also, as I said before, they are taking advantage of a nice "legal" hole: It was never confirmed that those are real protheans, Shepard assumes that because everyone believed that they were the race that developed the ME tech and never took account the fact that there were other races before them.

also like i stated before liara even stated the protheans are NOT the first civilization as thought to be.

What does this have to do with anything?  You just said the statues were of an enslaved (or conquered) species.  If they were a previous species that'd gotten Reaper-ed, why put them in the vision?  Why put them in the Codex?

And you never answered why they would only show their conquered species in the Beacon.

[varterral]

More importantly, will the prothean speak perfect english when he wakes up? I dont think universal translators had prothean<->english 50000 years ago.

[Tazzmission]

varterral wrote...

More importantly, will the prothean speak perfect english when he wakes up? I dont think universal translators had prothean<->english 50000 years ago.

honestly i think shepard will understand him do to having the cypher in his memory. now im not confirming anything but im just speculating because i think he does still have it

[andy6915]

It's a retcon, of the retroactive type, plain and simple. Saying otherwise is denial.

Anyway, let me throw one more piece of evidence onto the pile as to why it's a retcon. Okay, so Protheans have always looked like Collectors? Well, regardless of what we saw in the visions, Shepard apparently 100% understood every little last thing about the beacon visions by the end of ME1. If the Protheans looked like Collectors, Shepard would know it.

In that case, why is it that when you first see Collectors Shepard isn't automatically going "holy crap, Protheans are Collectors?!". I mean, on Horizon and possibly Freedom's Progress, Shepard should have INSTANTLY recognized Collectors as Protheans at first sight. That vision burned into the brain isn't something Shepard will just forget the details of. For that matter, Shepard wouldn't be shocked on the Collector ship when it's confirmed because Shepard would be like "well, they look almost exactly the same, no surprise there". Instead, Shepard is "HOLY CRAP, I never saw this coming!"

Shepard's reaction is most telling.

[Tazzmission]

ZehnWaters wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Stun704 wrote...

If the squid like aliens were a previous cycle, how do you explain the fact they are present in the ME-1 prothean beacon and not the bug-like protean?

The tentacle-faced statues on Ilos are not, I repeat NOT, Protheans. They were a primitive race that the Prothean empire conquered, similar to how the Spanish conquered the Aztecs and Incas in real life. The reason why the Conduit's research lab on Ilos was not detected by the Reapers 50,000 years ago was because the Protheans disguised it as the ruins of this primitive race, a race that the Reapers assumed was already destroyed.

Basically, the statues on Ilos are just Bioware trolling us.

So them being in the vision is just of their conquered slaves?  Why?  To what end?  And where did you get this information?  This is a big retcon and it's silly.  Plus weren't the Prothean's the only space-faring race of their time?  Why conquer these guys and not others (ie. humans).

Well, they were studyng the humans too, but we were just a bunch of "booga bogga" by those times
We weren't too useful for them... yet.

Also, as I said before, they are taking advantage of a nice "legal" hole: It was never confirmed that those are real protheans, Shepard assumes that because everyone believed that they were the race that developed the ME tech and never took account the fact that there were other races before them.

also like i stated before liara even stated the protheans are NOT the first civilization as thought to be.

What does this have to do with anything?  You just said the statues were of an enslaved (or conquered) species.  If they were a previous species that'd gotten Reaper-ed, why put them in the vision?  Why put them in the Codex?

And you never answered why they would only show their conquered species in the Beacon.

um dude they could be in the vision simply because thats where the protheans have been at during the reaper attack on other worlds.

and like many have stated it has NEVER been confirmed that those are protheans for all we know science teams could have thought they were since theres very little data on the species.


and im not going to argue with you all night about it because its 230 in the morning so let that sink in a bit before you start claiming i didnt answer you again

[ZehnWaters]

andy69156915 wrote...

It's a retcon, of the retroactive type, plain and simple. Saying otherwise is denial.

Anyway, let me throw one more piece of evidence onto the pile as to why it's a retcon. Okay, so Protheans have always looked like Collectors? Well, regardless of what we saw in the visions, Shepard apparently 100% understood every little last thing about the beacon visions by the end of ME1. If the Protheans looked like Collectors, Shepard would know it.

In that case, why is it that when you first see Collectors Shepard isn't automatically going "holy crap, Protheans are Collectors?!". I mean, on Horizon and possibly Freedom's Progress, Shepard should have INSTANTLY recognized Collectors as Protheans at first sight. That vision burned into the brain isn't something Shepard will just forget the details of. For that matter, Shepard wouldn't be shocked on the Collector ship when it's confirmed because Shepard would be like "well, they look almost exactly the same, no surprise there". Instead, Shepard is "HOLY CRAP, I never saw this coming!"

Shepard's reaction is most telling.

Gosh.  Thank you.

[ttchip]

this thread is destined to be full of spoilers. lol.

[LightningSamus]

Humanoid dogs i say.