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[NoAngel89]

cuthulu....?

basing on what i the statues I saw at ME1

Modifié par NoAngel89, 04 février 2012 - 09:41 .

[GnusmasTHX]

ZehnWaters wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

It's a retcon, of the retroactive type, plain and simple. Saying otherwise is denial.

Anyway, let me throw one more piece of evidence onto the pile as to why it's a retcon. Okay, so Protheans have always looked like Collectors? Well, regardless of what we saw in the visions, Shepard apparently 100% understood every little last thing about the beacon visions by the end of ME1. If the Protheans looked like Collectors, Shepard would know it.

In that case, why is it that when you first see Collectors Shepard isn't automatically going "holy crap, Protheans are Collectors?!". I mean, on Horizon and possibly Freedom's Progress, Shepard should have INSTANTLY recognized Collectors as Protheans at first sight. That vision burned into the brain isn't something Shepard will just forget the details of. For that matter, Shepard wouldn't be shocked on the Collector ship when it's confirmed because Shepard would be like "well, they look almost exactly the same, no surprise there". Instead, Shepard is "HOLY CRAP, I never saw this coming!"

Shepard's reaction is most telling.

Gosh.  Thank you.

Yeah, everyone who has any sense knows it's a Retcon. The most jarring piece of evidence was that no Prothean worth their high-and-mighty ass would design a vision to show a primitive, by their time, extinct, race turning into their Collector selves to warn other Prothean's that they were being turned into Collector's. Especially since that race was long extinct before the Prothean culling occurred, it could not have been analogous to the Spanish conquests. More over, the Spoilers say the same as well.

I'll let it slide because this is arguably a better look all around. 

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 04 février 2012 - 09:50 .

[Shifty Assassin]

They look sort of like the collectors but the head is slimmer with 4 eyes a mouth and Samurai influenced armour. Theres 2 leaked photos roaming around (1 of them is my phone wallpaper =))

[Gonder]

How many people have explored the Mass Effect 2 codex? All you need to do is go to extinct species catagory in the narrated section of codex, and there is a realistic picture of a Prothean's upper body. Colour included.

Or... I can just go get the picture for those who haven't seen it yet...

[Gonder]

Luc0s wrote...

Gonder999 wrote...

How many people have explored the Mass Effect 2 codex? All you need to do is go to extinct species catagory in the narrated section of codex, and there is a realistic picture of a Prothean's upper body. Colour included.

Or... I can just go get the picture for those who haven't seen it yet...

That's not a prothean, it's a prothean husk.

But Mass Effect 3 sort-of retconned this. Apperantly "the protheans" are not a single race or species, but a collective galactic civilisation (just like Council space right now). "Prothean" was the name of their galactic community.

There was also a species named Prothean (the founders of the galactic community), but they looked different than that husk statue. The original prothean species looked similar to the Collectors.

Wow... I cannot wait to play this game, but now it feels so darn weird after all that time thinking that this so called "Prothean Husk" was an actual Prothean, hmm...

Though I still find it weird why there would even be dozens of statues lying about on Ilos which are actually Husks, what would even be the goal to that?

[GnusmasTHX]

It's a full retcon. ***Leak Spoilers Ahead***










The statues on Ilos matched the statues in the visions. At one point in development, Protheans and those statues were one and the same.

And then ME2 came out and the Collector's had to be Protheans, which was alright, for a while, because of the whole vast genetic tampering thing, so they didn't have to explain the physical disparity more than that.

But then ME3 was put into development and they decided to include a Prothean squadmate, so now they're backtracking, retconning everything to do with Prothean appearance. Now Protheans were more than one species, and the specific Prothean species more resembled the Collector's in ME2.

The Ilos statues were retconned to EITHER apparently another race within the Prothean Empire (I haven't read this bit of spoiler, myself, what I have read is the Prothean's dialog), though the Prothean squadmates dialog indicates otherwise (Prothean squadmate tells you the statues were just there when Protheans originally settled Ilos, and that they belong to the Inusannon, which went extinct around 127, 000 years ago), which would be sufficient enough if not for the visions, which are key.

The visions will take even more leaps and suspenses of disbelief to retcon and make sense at the same time. They're what indicate that the statues were Protheans and that Protheans became Collector's.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 04 février 2012 - 10:19 .

[Gonder]

Luc0s wrote...

Gonder999 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Gonder999 wrote...

How many people have explored the Mass Effect 2 codex? All you need to do is go to extinct species catagory in the narrated section of codex, and there is a realistic picture of a Prothean's upper body. Colour included.

Or... I can just go get the picture for those who haven't seen it yet...

That's not a prothean, it's a prothean husk.

But Mass Effect 3 sort-of retconned this. Apperantly "the protheans" are not a single race or species, but a collective galactic civilisation (just like Council space right now). "Prothean" was the name of their galactic community.

There was also a species named Prothean (the founders of the galactic community), but they looked different than that husk statue. The original prothean species looked similar to the Collectors.

Wow... I cannot wait to play this game, but now it feels so darn weird after all that time thinking that this so called "Prothean Husk" was an actual Prothean, hmm...

Though I still find it weird why there would even be dozens of statues lying about on Ilos which are actually Husks, what would even be the goal to that?

I don't know. There is no specific data on that as of now. I personally think Ilos once belonged to a species from a cycle before the protheans (the cycle of 100.000 years ago). The statues were probably already there when the protheans found Ilos. The protheans might just have kept the statues. Maybe they even worshipped them, similar to how the hanar worship the protheans now?

I bet your probably right, that's a pretty good point.

[BoboIII]

In the beginning of ME1 is stated that Protheans built mass relays and all. Maybe it's best to quit playing right there because everything else is one big retcon

It's interesting to see people piecing together evidences that something is retcon before game even comes out... and yet, everything can be explained differently...

Oh well, we will see how it is soon enough (i hope).

[Fredvdp]

I don't mind a retcon if they manage to give a decent explanation why things changed, unlike "The Maker decided it wasn't my time."

[Tazzmission]

Fredvdp wrote...

I don't mind a retcon if they manage to give a decent explanation why things changed, unlike "The Maker decided it wasn't my time."

dude its not a freaking retcon! first off we never actually saw the protheans in me1 in the vision. we did in fact get to see them in me2's vision hence the collector look.


the photo that was shown of prothy is diffrent and you know why? ever stop to think that maybe the collectors are implanted just like saren to where they have been genticly rewritten and transformed?


saren sure transformed when sovy took direct controll of that form

[Tazzmission]

The PLC wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Stun704 wrote...

If the squid like aliens were a previous cycle, how do you explain the fact they are present in the ME-1 prothean beacon and not the bug-like protean?

The tentacle-faced statues on Ilos are not, I repeat NOT, Protheans. They were a primitive race that the Prothean empire conquered, similar to how the Spanish conquered the Aztecs and Incas in real life. The reason why the Conduit's research lab on Ilos was not detected by the Reapers 50,000 years ago was because the Protheans disguised it as the ruins of this primitive race, a race that the Reapers assumed was already destroyed.

Basically, the statues on Ilos are just Bioware trolling us.

Whoa whoa whoa, where did you hear this? That's awesome as hell!

i know right? and yes its from the script itself.

[varterral]

I bet the Prothean's muscle mass and dexterity is perfect despite 50,000 years of stasis

[Tazzmission]

varterral wrote...

I bet the Prothean's muscle mass and dexterity is perfect despite 50,000 years of stasis

its going to be a trip though if you think about it.


waking up 50,000 years later and you have a human leading a team of aliens talking to you asking for answers

[varterral]

Yeah, last time he checked humans were grunting around in caves and throwing sticks at each other.

[Tazzmission]

The PLC wrote...

I have a feeling Prothy will be one awesome character. I just hope he'll have plenty of dialogue..

prothy will be the legion of mass effect 3. well written and well loved imo

Modifié par Tazzmission, 04 février 2012 - 11:38 .

[Tazzmission]

Luc0s wrote...

The PLC wrote...

I have a feeling Prothy will be one awesome character. I just hope he'll have plenty of dialogue..

I wonder what his name will be. The leaked script is kinda vague about his name. In most parts of the script he's simply referred to as 'Prothean'. I doubt his name is literally Prothean. I hope BioWare is more creative than that.

yea i really hope the name does change because it does sound like something out of iron man or mortal kombat

[varterral]

Remember Sten never gave you his real name, we know now that Sten is a qunari military rank. Prothy could be similar, curt and unwilling to share his name with a lesser species.