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[Fredvdp]

Tazzmission wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

I don't mind a retcon if they manage to give a decent explanation why things changed, unlike "The Maker decided it wasn't my time."

dude its not a freaking retcon!

Didn't say it was, just that I wouldn't mind if it were.

[andy6915]

varterral wrote...

Remember Sten never gave you his real name, we know now that Sten is a qunari military rank. Prothy could be similar, curt and unwilling to share his name with a lesser species.

That assumes Protheans are generally arrogant. Vigil wasn't, so I have no reason to believe he would be.

Modifié par andy69156915, 04 février 2012 - 12:15 .

[LordJeyl]

Sigh.

It's a retcon. Shiala identifies the Protheans as a race, not a society of multiple races. If multiple races were involved, some would have thought differently than others. That is not what Shiala stated.

Bioware is only making the Protheans look like Collectors now because, in a common practice when you want to reach out to a broader audience, they think gamers are too stupid to remember the details regarding how the collectors no longer resemble what the Protheans looked like. So they're relying on what's familiar and choosing to "forget" those important details they brought up. All we have to do is wait for the "blizzard retcon" response of "We like it better this way!".

[Epsilon330]

andy69156915 wrote...

varterral wrote...

Remember Sten never gave you his real name, we know now that Sten is a qunari military rank. Prothy could be similar, curt and unwilling to share his name with a lesser species.

That assumes Protheans are generally arrogant. Vigil wasn't, so I have no reason to believe he would be.

It's been stated that Prothy is Renegade, or at least is a Renegade-sympathiser. Arrogance is second-nature to Renegades.

[eye basher]

shinobi602 wrote...

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Right because those pics from mounths ago can't be wrong or have changed, I've seen some of those two, and like three of them are diffrent to more than a few degrees... we KNOW nothing until the game comes out..... I remember a "leak" from ME2 were Jack had hair... so there you go

They were leaked like 2 weeks ago. And you really think they will completely change the look of the species this close to launch? LOL.

You can see a slip of the character in question in the newest trailer recently released.

Just because they were leaked 2 weeks ago doesn't mean there 2 weeks old they could be a year old for all i know.

[Jog0907]

Its not a retcon you need a confirmed reality in the first place before you retcon it, the prothean look was never a part of this confirmed reality, so the reveal was fair.

[GnusmasTHX]

LordJeyl wrote...

Sigh.

It's a retcon. Shiala identifies the Protheans as a race, not a society of multiple races. If multiple races were involved, some would have thought differently than others. That is not what Shiala stated.

Bioware is only making the Protheans look like Collectors now because, in a common practice when you want to reach out to a broader audience, they think gamers are too stupid to remember the details regarding how the collectors no longer resemble what the Protheans looked like. So they're relying on what's familiar and choosing to "forget" those important details they brought up. All we have to do is wait for the "blizzard retcon" response of "We like it better this way!".

The visions are largely what defines this as a Retcon. Nothing in the script has even mentioned the disparity of appearances within the visions. Visions show Species X turning into Collector's. Collector's are then revealed to be Protheans. Species X are therefore Prothean. Species X match the statues on Ilos. Therefore the statues on Ilos are Prothean.

The above indicates that there has been a Retcon. Saying that, "there are multiple species under the Prothean name" does not refute the fact that it is a Retcon, in fact it doesn't even address it. 

But yeah, anyone who can think already knows this is the case. I suspect BioWare is going with the "Rule of Cool" with this one, though.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 04 février 2012 - 02:28 .

[Jog0907]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

LordJeyl wrote...

Sigh.

It's a retcon. Shiala identifies the Protheans as a race, not a society of multiple races. If multiple races were involved, some would have thought differently than others. That is not what Shiala stated.

Bioware is only making the Protheans look like Collectors now because, in a common practice when you want to reach out to a broader audience, they think gamers are too stupid to remember the details regarding how the collectors no longer resemble what the Protheans looked like. So they're relying on what's familiar and choosing to "forget" those important details they brought up. All we have to do is wait for the "blizzard retcon" response of "We like it better this way!".

The visions are largely what defines this as a Retcon. Nothing in the script has even mentioned the disparity of appearances within the visions. Visions show Species X turning into Collector's. Collector's are then revealed to be Protheans. Species X are therefore Prothean. Species X match the statues on Ilos. Therefore the statues on Ilos are Prothean.

The above indicates that there has been a Retcon. Saying that, "there are multiple species under the Prothean name" does not refute the fact that it is a Retcon, in fact it doesn't even address it. 

But yeah, anyone who can think already knows this is the case. I suspect BioWare is going with the "Rule of Cool" with this one, though.

dunno to me the visions changed way too often for me to accept the shape of what was there as canon and thus subject to retcon (especially since it was never confirmed as such, and that one of the important points of me2 is how nobody had any idea how protheans truly looked and thus were surprised by collectors) the vision humanoids in me1 didnt look to me all that much like the
statues (looking more like a human form doodle in architectural sketches) so I simply took that the prothean shape was never defined, which is the case here (even more if by me3 you notice how visions work in the universe, more real info adds more clarity, if such info is absent your mind fills in the blanks with other stuff thus explaining why you didnt saw true protheans in your first visions, actually they worked like that since me1)

Modifié par Jog0907, 04 février 2012 - 02:44 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Jog0907 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

LordJeyl wrote...

Sigh.

It's a retcon. Shiala identifies the Protheans as a race, not a society of multiple races. If multiple races were involved, some would have thought differently than others. That is not what Shiala stated. 

Bioware is only making the Protheans look like Collectors now because, in a common practice when you want to reach out to a broader audience, they think gamers are too stupid to remember the details regarding how the collectors no longer resemble what the Protheans looked like. So they're relying on what's familiar and choosing to "forget" those important details they brought up. All we have to do is wait for the "blizzard retcon" response of "We like it better this way!".

The visions are largely what defines this as a Retcon. Nothing in the script has even mentioned the disparity of appearances within the visions. Visions show Species X turning into Collector's. Collector's are then revealed to be Protheans. Species X are therefore Prothean. Species X match the statues on Ilos. Therefore the statues on Ilos are Prothean.

The above indicates that there has been a Retcon. Saying that, "there are multiple species under the Prothean name" does not refute the fact that it is a Retcon, in fact it doesn't even address it. 

But yeah, anyone who can think already knows this is the case. I suspect BioWare is going with the "Rule of Cool" with this one, though.

dunno to me the visions changed way too often for me to accept the shape of what was there as canon and thus subject to retcon (especially since it was never confirmed as such, and that one of the important points of me2 is how nobody had any idea how protheans truly looked and thus were surprised by collectors) the vision humanoids in me1 didnt look to me all that much like the 
statues (looking more like a human form doodle in architectural sketches) so I simply took that the prothean shape was never defined, which is the case here (even more if by me3 you notice how visions work in the universe, more real info adds more clarity, if such info is absent your mind fills in the blanks with other stuff thus explaining why you didnt saw true protheans in your first visions, actually they worked like that since me1)

That last bit doesn't make sense. If the information is absent, you would not see a vision of the Protheans as you see them in ME1. And yet Shepard sees slim aliens of the same build, with the same shaped hands, and small heads with tentacle-mouths like the ones on Ilos. BEFORE ever seeing the statues on Ilos. That's not coincidental, they had the same form and features throughout all the visions, even after receiving the cipher and using the undamaged beacon. Shepard saw the Protheans as they were, or close enough to it.

Even if you want to deny the fact that the statues are not Protheans, that doesn't address the issue that the visions don't resemble the Prothean squadmate, either. So either way, the Prothean's can not look like Collector's without it being a Retcon.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 04 février 2012 - 03:13 .

[Mayhem br]

Tazzmission wrote...

The PLC wrote...

I have a feeling Prothy will be one awesome character. I just hope he'll have plenty of dialogue..

prothy will be the legion of mass effect 3. well written and well loved imo

<3

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

They looked more like Collectors.

They didn't look anything like Collectors but hurray for retcons!

inb4 some moron comes in here and tells me it isn't a retcon.

Yeah, because there's nothing idiotic in stating that the appearance of a race is the same as some statues people don't know the origin of.

Oh and that distorted vision Shepard had that wasn't supposed to make much/any sense? Creditable proof, right there.

It's like saying that Alma really is a little girl in a red dress just because she constantly appears as one in the freaky psychic visions.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 04 février 2012 - 03:37 .

[Agamo45]

They look like tentacle heads, from those statues. The Collectors are genetically modified, that's not what the Protheans looked like.

[Arppis]

I'm not saying it was Protheans... but it was:

http://t0.gstatic.co...ReqsR099eUtEPWQ

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Please, it's blatantly obvious Protheans were initially intended to be depicted as the statues on Ilos as well as the image shown in the codex. I saw people say those are Prothean husks. So are you really telling me that Protheans made statues of their huskified people but no statues of their true form?

Anyway, to me at least, the "old" Prothean design would look like beyond silly in combat and in general. It makes sense that they had to do a redesign to make it look a bit more, for the lack of a better word, "badass."

[Arppis]

Maybe husks are based on prothean body-design somehow? They do look really similar.

[Candidate 88766]

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

Please, it's blatantly obvious Protheans were initially intended to be depicted as the statues on Ilos as well as the image shown in the codex. I saw people say those are Prothean husks. So are you really telling me that Protheans made statues of their huskified people but no statues of their true form?

Anyway, to me at least, the "old" Prothean design would look like beyond silly in combat and in general. It makes sense that they had to do a redesign to make it look a bit more, for the lack of a better word, "badass."

Basically this. Its obvious the statues were the original prothean design. However, they left it vague enough that they could change their design in the future. ME3 comes up with some perfectly valid reasons as to their appearance. Seeing as ME1 only hinted as to their appearance, its not really that big of a deal.

I personally like their design far more in ME3 than the tentacled humanoid design.

As to why the Beacon visions show them the way they are, it was my understanding that the purpose of the vision was to guide people to Illos and so to Vigil. Everything you see in the vision is either the huskifying process, or images of Illos. 

[TobyHasEyes]

 Old Prothean design was so much better than the ME3 design, IMO

 Will wait to see how they make the 'ME3 design' work in the game before stating I  outright dislike it, but I really do feel like retaining the 'Ilos' design would have been much better

[matt-bassist]

ediskrad327 wrote...

there's just one way to find out

Actually there are 3
1. play the game
2. buy the artbook
3. get PM'd a picture:bandit:

[ediskrad327]

matt-bassist wrote...

ediskrad327 wrote...

there's just one way to find out

Actually there are 3
1. play the game
2. buy the artbook
3. get PM'd a picture:bandit:

true

[silhouette80]

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

Please, it's blatantly obvious Protheans were initially intended to be depicted as the statues on Ilos as well as the image shown in the codex. I saw people say those are Prothean husks. So are you really telling me that Protheans made statues of their huskified people but no statues of their true form?

I don't think that's necessarily the case.  I can think of maybe two plausible explanations for the discrepancy between the statues and the Protheans "true" form.

1) Abstract sculptures, where you have a recognizable base but with exaggerated form.  Two examples:
www.africanart.com/ProductImages/zim_3089.jpg
www.p-wholesale.com/upimg/7/340a1/abstract-sculpture-820031-t36-275.jpg

2) Perhaps the statues represent a species that was culled by the Reapers and were incorporated into the Prothean cultural ethos.  Think of how the Hanar exalt the Protheans, and this could be the same situation with the Protheans commemorating their version of the "enkindlers".

Modifié par silhouette80, 04 février 2012 - 04:29 .

[matt-bassist]

Random Jerkface wrote...

The protheans were an empire comprised of several species.

...That's likely a recent (as of ME2 or later) development, though. Shame BioWare didn't go for the humanoid cthulhu tentacle beasts in ME1.

If they went for the original look, how could you possibly be attracted to them enough to romance them?

[Bad King]

They originally looked like thin humans covered in tenticles (see the statues on Ilos, Hock's statue, the codex image, and Shepard's visions) but...

***SPOILER ALERT***



The ME3 artbook shows them to be more like a collector with a mouth. Not necessarily a hard retcon as it's possible that there were multiple prothean races.



***END SPOILER***

Modifié par Bad King, 04 février 2012 - 04:38 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Spoilers:

Ilos statues are probably the Innusannon. Those who were destroyed before the Protheans.

[Bad King]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Spoilers:

Ilos statues are probably the Innusannon. Those who were destroyed before the Protheans.

Nope, as Shepard's visions of the prothean extinction show similar figures. They are undoubtedly protheans.

EDIT: Unless you're talking about a retcon in the leaked script which I haven't fully read.

Modifié par Bad King, 04 février 2012 - 04:46 .