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[rodgerage]

Maybe there were sub-species of protheans as we already know they inhabited plenty of planets and maybe there body structure changed to suit the environment conditions, Which if correct would mean they could all look vastly different but still be the same species.

[mauro2222]

ME1: Single species, face with tentacles, hands with tentacles and very slim. Shiala, Liara, Vigil and the visions confirm this.
ME3: Collective organization of different species. The actual "prothean" its a less insectoid Collector.

So yeah, retcon.

[Chuvvy]

mauro2222 wrote...

ME1: Single species, face with tentacles, hands with tentacles and very slim. Shiala, Liara, Vigil and the visions confirm this.
ME3: Collective organization of different species. The actual "prothean" its a less insectoid Collector.

So yeah, retcon.

Like I said before, I wish they'd be straight up and say it's a retcon, I'd be fine with that, what I don't like is when they try and make up some dumb reason behind it. I didn't like it with the Qunari, and I don't like it with this.

[mauro2222]

Slidell505 wrote...

Like I said before, I wish they'd be straight up and say it's a retcon, I'd be fine with that, what I don't like is when they try and make up some dumb reason behind it. I didn't like it with the Qunari, and I don't like it with this.

Wait... I never played DA2. You mean the horns? The ugly elves? 

What have they done to my Sten?

Modifié par mauro2222, 05 février 2012 - 06:25 .

[ZehnWaters]

mauro2222 wrote...
Wait... I never played DA2. You mean the horns? The ugly elves? 

I know.  The elves were all diamond shaped.  I never understood it.  Whose stomach is wider than their shoulders?  It made them all look gross.

[Raxxman]

Slidell505 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

ME1: Single species, face with tentacles, hands with tentacles and very slim. Shiala, Liara, Vigil and the visions confirm this.
ME3: Collective organization of different species. The actual "prothean" its a less insectoid Collector.

So yeah, retcon.

Like I said before, I wish they'd be straight up and say it's a retcon, I'd be fine with that, what I don't like is when they try and make up some dumb reason behind it. I didn't like it with the Qunari, and I don't like it with this.

Same thing with thermal clips for me.

While I'm happy to entertain the concept of the Protheans being a multispecies empire, I wouldn't be shocked if they were single species.

So much of ME has been Rectoned I'd just go with 'deal with it'

[DayusMakhina]

Slidell505 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

ME1: Single species, face with tentacles, hands with tentacles and very slim. Shiala, Liara, Vigil and the visions confirm this.
ME3: Collective organization of different species. The actual "prothean" its a less insectoid Collector.

So yeah, retcon.

Like I said before, I wish they'd be straight up and say it's a retcon, I'd be fine with that, what I don't like is when they try and make up some dumb reason behind it. I didn't like it with the Qunari, and I don't like it with this.

You wish they would say it's a retcon? That's hardly going to happen when they still haven't been willing to confirm the character exists.

[Matt251287]

DayusMakhina wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Like I said before, I wish they'd be straight up and say it's a retcon, I'd be fine with that, what I don't like is when they try and make up some dumb reason behind it. I didn't like it with the Qunari, and I don't like it with this.

You wish they would say it's a retcon? That's hardly going to happen when they still haven't been willing to confirm the character exists.

True enough, but i am terribly insulted they think they could do this and the fans would be too stupid to notice. ME3's storyline is tearing itself apart before the game is even released,

everyone should be able to admit; this descision disrespects their own work and us simultaneously.
 
 
 
Maybe they'll go all 'minitrue'  and patch ME1 to 'vaporise' the 'unperson' of the original prothean.... Hell half the posters in this thread seem ready to accept just about anything.

Modifié par Matt251287, 05 février 2012 - 09:43 .

[Someone With Mass]

Slidell505 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

They originally looked like thin humans covered in tenticles (see the statues on Ilos, Hock's statue, the codex image, and Shepard's visions) but...

***SPOILER ALERT***



The ME3 artbook shows them to be more like a collector with a mouth. Not necessarily a hard retcon as it's possible that there were multiple prothean races.



***END SPOILER***

Vigil described the Protheans as a single spieces. They're pulling this out of their ass. I don't really mind, but I'd rather they said they're retconing it instead of making up some bull**** reason. It's like what they did with the Qunari.

The Protheans still are one and only one race.

It was the strongest race of their time that earned the title "Prothean", that's all.

[Icinix]

BioWare has admitted they've made things up as they've gone in regards to a lot of the details.

Its a retcon, but I'm still holding out hope that the Prothean character is DLC so I can deactivate it.

Problem Solved. At least for my Sheps story.

[SantosCapela]

It is not necessarily a retcon. There are to many unknowns. They could even be something like the rachni with different aspects and roles. As an example the statues could represent elders and the me3 one could simply be a soldier or something like that.

The truth is there isn't much information about the species.

[Mayhem br]

To be honest i would like to know how would they sound. Do you guys think that he will sound calm and serene like Vigil on Ilos sounded or more agressive like a soldier?

Modifié par Mayhem br, 05 février 2012 - 11:16 .

[turian councilor Knockout]

Something out of a nightmare, that's what they look like

[Bad King]

Slidell505 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

They originally looked like thin humans covered in tenticles (see the statues on Ilos, Hock's statue, the codex image, and Shepard's visions) but...

***SPOILER ALERT***



The ME3 artbook shows them to be more like a collector with a mouth. Not necessarily a hard retcon as it's possible that there were multiple prothean races.



***END SPOILER***

Vigil described the Protheans as a single spieces. They're pulling this out of their ass. I don't really mind, but I'd rather they said they're retconing it instead of making up some bull**** reason. It's like what they did with the Qunari.

Yeah I think you're right, I was being a little too optimistic in that post.

[seven324]

Bad King wrote...

Matt251287 wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

It's a retcon, of the retroactive type, plain and simple. Saying otherwise is denial.

Anyway, let me throw one more piece of evidence onto the pile as to why it's a retcon. Okay, so Protheans have always looked like Collectors? Well, regardless of what we saw in the visions, Shepard apparently 100% understood every little last thing about the beacon visions by the end of ME1. If the Protheans looked like Collectors, Shepard would know it.

In that case, why is it that when you first see Collectors Shepard isn't automatically going "holy crap, Protheans are Collectors?!". I mean, on Horizon and possibly Freedom's Progress, Shepard should have INSTANTLY recognized Collectors as Protheans at first sight. That vision burned into the brain isn't something Shepard will just forget the details of. For that matter, Shepard wouldn't be shocked on the Collector ship when it's confirmed because Shepard would be like "well, they look almost exactly the same, no surprise there". Instead, Shepard is "HOLY CRAP, I never saw this coming!"

Shepard's reaction is most telling.

Basically This.

LordJeyl wrote...

Sigh.

It's a retcon. Shiala identifies the Protheans as a race, not a society of multiple races. If multiple races were involved, some would have thought differently than others. That is not what Shiala stated.

Bioware is only making the Protheans look like Collectors now because, in a common practice when you want to reach out to a broader audience, they think gamers are too stupid to remember the details regarding how the collectors no longer resemble what the Protheans looked like. So they're relying on what's familiar and choosing to "forget" those important details they brought up. All we have to do is wait for the "blizzard retcon" response of "We like it better this way!".

And this.

Tazzmission wrote...

The tentacle-faced statues on Ilos are not, I repeat NOT, Protheans. They were a primitive race that the Prothean empire conquered, similar to how the Spanish conquered the Aztecs and Incas in real life. The reason why the Conduit's research lab on Ilos was not detected by the Reapers 50,000 years ago was because the Protheans disguised it as the ruins of this primitive race, a race that the Reapers assumed was already destroyed.

Basically, the statues on Ilos are just Bioware trolling us.

And what is this rubbish? If this is the official line it's awful.

You're right about one thing, Bioware is Trolling us.

Agreed. To all the people saying "The statues were never specifically said to be protheans", I disagree, as Shepard's vision show similar tenticled aliens suffering at the hands of the reapers. The visions confirm that the statues on Ilos were indeed prothean. If BioWare says otherwise, and the statues weren't protheans, then it is a retcon.

It is not a retcon. They are just to assumed  to be Protheans, the Eden Prime beacon was incomplete and corrupted. The Protheans
were not the only race wiped out by the Reapers - the ones seen in the
Beacon vision were another race being wiped out.

If it had outright stated that they were Protheans, then yes, it would be a Retcon. But all the sources saying they are Prothean are not facts - Statues are only assumed to be Prothean, the Beacon was broken, the Codex is from an in-universe perspective and get's things wrong (Such as how it says Sovereign is a Geth ship). Bioware has never said they were Protheans, therefore  not a retcon.

As for Shephard not knowing about the collectors, what we saw was the same as what he saw. Shephard just thought because it was a Prothean beacon, they must be Prothean. It means nothing - he didn't even know the Collectors existed, the Beacon doesn't show them.

Modifié par seven324, 05 février 2012 - 12:53 .

[ace1221]

SantosCapela wrote...

It is not necessarily a retcon. There are to many unknowns. They could even be something like the rachni with different aspects and roles. As an example the statues could represent elders and the me3 one could simply be a soldier or something like that.

The truth is there isn't much information about the species.

Thank you! a point i can finally agree on. while i wont side for or against a 'retcon' until i see the proof myself, im willing to keep an open mind. just because people from the the present day say the protheans were one species, how do they truly know? what wealth of knowledge are they drawing upon? The protheans could very well be one species, just as the romans were (sort of) but have many client races under the same imperial name ie the Prothean Empire (roman empire).

Vigil never explicitly states that the prothean empire was made up of one species; all we know is that he refers to his makers race as the protheans. the figures we see in the visions could be a client race etc, especially since we know that these images were being sent around the prothean empire. 

However, the argument for a retcon is quite convincing too. i guess ill wait for the ME3 for more answers!

[PrinceOfFallout13]

there is no retcon

just because some asari or whatever said that the protheans where the only spacefaring race back in the day doesn't make it true

no one had concrete evidence about them

[GnusmasTHX]

Except the Thorian that was alive back then who just killed her, and then spat out a clone of her with all his knowledge.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 05 février 2012 - 01:07 .

[Bad King]

seven324 wrote...

It is not a retcon. They are just to assumed  to be Protheans, the Eden Prime beacon was incomplete and corrupted. The Protheans
were not the only race wiped out by the Reapers - the ones seen in the
Beacon vision were another race being wiped out.

If it had outright stated that they were Protheans, then yes, it would be a Retcon. But all the sources saying they are Prothean are not facts - Statues are only assumed to be Prothean, the Beacon was broken, the Codex is from an in-universe perspective and get's things wrong (Such as how it says Sovereign is a Geth ship). Bioware has never said they were Protheans, therefore  not a retcon.

As for Shephard not knowing about the collectors, what we saw was the same as what he saw. Shephard just thought because it was a Prothean beacon, they must be Prothean. It means nothing - he didn't even know the Collectors existed, the Beacon doesn't show them.

It wasn't only the Eden Prime beacon which showed the protheans as being squidlike- see also the ones on Ilos and Joab. We even see from the beacon on Joab the squidlike protheans being transformed into the collectors (this was likely the interpretation of the protheans of what was happening to members of their species- it shows that the squidlike aliens were indeed protheans). And why would the protheans show images of earlier alien races being wiped out? The beacons were meant to be a way of connecting with other protheans, it simply doesn't make sense that they'd show some earlier race being wiped out and not themselves.

So it is a hard retcon, and even if you were correct, it would still be a retcon (albeit a soft one).

Modifié par Bad King, 05 février 2012 - 01:44 .

[Total Biscuit]

Sure, it's a retcon, but it doesn't negatively effect a single thing in the game, so who cares?

It just means the Protheans operated under the same principle as the Romans; once you were conquered and earned your place, you were one of them.

Besides, the whole melty tentacle monster looks was horribly impractical and rather dull looking. Having seen the artwork for Prothy, he looks so much more awesome than the vision creatures, there is no doubt in my mind that Bioware made the right call.

[SkyJackal]

Bad King wrote...

And why would the protheans show images of earlier alien races being wiped out? The beacons were meant to be a way of connecting with other protheans, it simply doesn't make sense that they'd show some earlier race being wiped out and not themselves.

Makes perfect sense to me. They were on Illos researching the ruins of an ancient race that came before them (not unlike human researching Protheans) and they discovered that they were wiped out by the Reapers (not unlike Shepard figuring out the beacons). They send a message depicting the events through the beacons as a warning (not unlike news reports on Earth of the reaper invasion).

Modifié par SkyJackal, 05 février 2012 - 02:09 .

[TobyHasEyes]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Sure, it's a retcon, but it doesn't negatively effect a single thing in the game, so who cares?

It just means the Protheans operated under the same principle as the Romans; once you were conquered and earned your place, you were one of them.

Besides, the whole melty tentacle monster looks was horribly impractical and rather dull looking. Having seen the artwork for Prothy, he looks so much more awesome than the vision creatures, there is no doubt in my mind that Bioware made the right call.

 Depends on your view on the original design, for those such as myself who thought the "melty tentacle monster look" was cool, it is a bit of a let down to see the new design, especially when to me the  Prothy artwork looks flat and dull.. just a Collector put through a human-shaped strainer to make it looks acceptable

 I don't agree with the scale of the upset around this, even though I do think at first I expressed my distaste with the change in such a way, but it seems like for many people the dislike is not based  on it being a retcon, but a retcon from a cool design to a dull one

[Adragalus]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

They looked more like Collectors.

They didn't look anything like Collectors but hurray for retcons!

inb4 some moron comes in here and tells me it isn't a retcon.

"Oh look, statues on Ilos that look like tentacle-eyed Slender Men. Clearly, this must be the Protheans exact appearance! If they look any different in any way, it's a retcon, Bioware is evil and fake for doing it, and anyone who disagrees is a moron!!111!1!!!!one!"

Yes, because every statue on earth looks exactly like us, right?




Hey, remember how the statues were all lined up on pedastals?

Kinda like this?