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[andy6915]

CerberusSoldier, here's something that might make you happy. I can't bring up a source, but I strongly remember reading about how keeping your weight load really low will actually make cooldowns FASTER then normal. Like (making this one up), if reave has a 6 second cooldown, and you have very little weight it cuts to 3 or 4 seconds. So it actually gives adepts a faster cooldown then they've ever had in previous games. Quite frankly, if my memory is correct and this is the case, adepts might be much better then in ME2.

[Stardusk78]

Adhin wrote...

I find it amusing how you just assume its only the biotic classes. What about Engineer? Does this weight system not also effect them as they're a caster class? Something more different going on there im not aware of?

The only thing I can really see this forcing me to do (which isn't a fair word do use as its still a choice on my end) is max out my class passive first to up my weight limit. For some reason, in the recent cam-video of a demonstration the soldier only had 1 point in his passive. He was missing out on a lot of bonus capacity because of that.

It seems to be setup to mimic how ME2 was by the end of it with the bonus training in how much any given class can carry if they want to. Plus Adept has a bunch of little bits in powers that completely remove cooldowns all together if you combo in certain ways, or heavily reduce for a duration.

Armor-type powers also effectively add to your encumbrance directly. So Barrier, for instance, is a perm-duration on/off toggle that adds to your encumbrance like your carrying an extra weapon. Keeping it on effectively means you can use your powers less. But your far more resilient as a whole so thats kind of a worth wild trade off. Also a little short-duration buff when you turn it off, think it boosts biotic power dmg/force. At which point you get the skills cooldown.

I get what your saying either way Cerberus but we just got 2 views on it. I like it cause it supports trying out different play styles. You don't seem to like it cause you... I dunno, seem to dislike the idea of choice like that? Would rather everyone is force limited or can just carry everything with out penalty?

I just can't agree with that. I hated the forced limitations of ME2, the awkward 'your carrying everything but can't use any of it but this' in ME1. This system just seems to make the most sense with out letting Adepts carry everything and still have no penalty. I mean what would you do to balance that out?

You have to have some kind of limitation for it, so what would you do instead? Make it effect... what movement speed? How powerful powers are but not there cooldowns?

Engineer is my favourite and I am looking forward to using powers more frequently, maybe only one all purpose weapon.

[CerberusSoldier]

SykoWolf wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

SykoWolf wrote...

Well in case of firepower other classes are lacking, there should be some kind of boost, although not too much of one.

  


Bioware could fix that by allowing the other classes to cary any amount of weapons they want . Plus why all this freaking class restriction crap any way Skyrim does not have this issue . Bioware needs to get with the modern day form of rpgs .

Becasue, bioware doesn't want one class to pawn all others, why be a soldier when you can be an expert biotic AND a master of all weapons? It makes sense to restrict classes.

    



thats fine Bioware can stay stuck in the past with class restrictions but other rpg games like Skyrim sell 10 million + already you tell me which rpg style game is more popular now .  

[CerberusSoldier]

andy69156915 wrote...

CerberusSoldier, here's something that might make you happy. I can't bring up a source, but I strongly remember reading about how keeping your weight load really low will actually make cooldowns FASTER then normal. Like (making this one up), if reave has a 6 second cooldown, and you have very little weight it cuts to 3 or 4 seconds. So it actually gives adepts a faster cooldown then they've ever had in previous games. Quite frankly, if my memory is correct and this is the case, adepts might be much better then in ME2.

   


wow so a pistol only Adept can really use its powers a lot . good I now see the reason behind this idea

[Stardusk78]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

SykoWolf wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

SykoWolf wrote...

Well in case of firepower other classes are lacking, there should be some kind of boost, although not too much of one.

  


Bioware could fix that by allowing the other classes to cary any amount of weapons they want . Plus why all this freaking class restriction crap any way Skyrim does not have this issue . Bioware needs to get with the modern day form of rpgs .

Becasue, bioware doesn't want one class to pawn all others, why be a soldier when you can be an expert biotic AND a master of all weapons? It makes sense to restrict classes.

    



thats fine Bioware can stay stuck in the past with class restrictions but other rpg games like Skyrim sell 10 million + already you tell me which rpg style game is more popular now .  

I dig Skyrim but you still need to make choices and most people veer in one direction or another, i.e. rogue/assassin or sword and board. If you don't cheat you cannot be an arcane master AND a great warrior, maybe you can be a Destruction Master but not everything.

[ttchip]

this system does not really penalize casters more than hybrids or soldiers. i don't know about you guys, but i did not have a single reason to carry a HP as a soldier before. now i'd get an actual benefit for bringing as few weapons as possible even as a soldier (probably just an AR for MAXIMUM BULLETTIME!).

[Adhin]

@Drake-Shepard: Not sure what your asking? All weapons have a weight associated to them. It's not about a class having this or that, they all have access to all weapons. If you wanna play an Adept with a Widow - you can. It'll just eat into your cooldowns a good bit because well, Widows damn powerful.

So yeah, all weapons are part of this system even pistols.

[Stardusk78]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

CerberusSoldier, here's something that might make you happy. I can't bring up a source, but I strongly remember reading about how keeping your weight load really low will actually make cooldowns FASTER then normal. Like (making this one up), if reave has a 6 second cooldown, and you have very little weight it cuts to 3 or 4 seconds. So it actually gives adepts a faster cooldown then they've ever had in previous games. Quite frankly, if my memory is correct and this is the case, adepts might be much better then in ME2.

   


wow so a pistol only Adept can really use its powers a lot . good I now see the reason behind this idea

We've been trying to tell you the whole time, the less you carry the greater your cooldowns, which makes casters much better at being casters.

[ttchip]

Stardusk78 wrote...
We've been trying to tell you the whole time, the less you carry the greater your cooldowns, which makes casters much better at being casters.

i think he's being sarcastic, dude.

Modifié par ttchip, 04 février 2012 - 11:44 .

[Stardusk78]

ttchip wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...
We've been trying to tell you the whole time, the less you carry the greater your cooldowns, which makes casters much better at being casters.

i think he's being sarcastic, dude.

Oh, well I think it is cool the way it is. I want to be able to cast powers often.

[andy6915]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

CerberusSoldier, here's something that might make you happy. I can't bring up a source, but I strongly remember reading about how keeping your weight load really low will actually make cooldowns FASTER then normal. Like (making this one up), if reave has a 6 second cooldown, and you have very little weight it cuts to 3 or 4 seconds. So it actually gives adepts a faster cooldown then they've ever had in previous games. Quite frankly, if my memory is correct and this is the case, adepts might be much better then in ME2.

   


wow so a pistol only Adept can really use its powers a lot . good I now see the reason behind this idea

Yes, and it's not just adepts that benefit. For another example, a soldier with only an assault rifle and nothing else will have fast enough cooldowns to be able to near infinitely adrenaline rush. I don't know if the cooldown will outstrip the duration (that would be... Brokenly overpowered), but it will add a lot of power to you.

ALL classes can benefit from this system.

Modifié par andy69156915, 04 février 2012 - 11:46 .

[Adhin]

Yeah I like it cause, if nothing else, I don't have to bring everything. Often times there is only 2-3 weapons I ever want on me at any given moment regardless of my class choice. Sometimes I only want 1, such as my Adept I wanna just roll with a basic pistol. Sentinel on the other hand I wanna use a Revanant. Also curious if Barrier will stack with Power Armor. Screw cooldowns. If I can ill keep both of them on and mow **** down with my Revanant hah! You know, use a power everyonce in awhile but I just got this image in my mind of massive shield/barrier induced tank with an LMG.

[ttchip]

if i had to take a guess as to how SMG's and AR's are going to be different, i'd say that AR's trump SMG's in combat while the latter weigh less and thus provide better cooldowns.

[ttchip]

andy69156915 wrote...
Yes, and it's not just adepts that benefit. For another example, a soldier with only an assault rifle and nothing else will have fast enough cooldowns to be able to near infinitely adrenaline rush. I don't know if the cooldown will outstrip the duration (that would be... Brokenly overpowered), but it will add a lot of power to you.

ALL classes can benefit from this system.

not gonna happen. cooldown on Stimpack Adrenaline Rush starts once the effect is over.

Modifié par ttchip, 04 février 2012 - 11:50 .

[Adhin]

Yeah, though SMG also gets the boost vs shields. But yeah, definitely lighter then an AR. They actually have a mod, apparently, that lowers there weight as well. So you should be able to make a pretty damn good, super light-weight SMG as backup if you wanted instead of a pistol.

[SykoWolf]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

SykoWolf wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

SykoWolf wrote...

Well in case of firepower other classes are lacking, there should be some kind of boost, although not too much of one.

  


Bioware could fix that by allowing the other classes to cary any amount of weapons they want . Plus why all this freaking class restriction crap any way Skyrim does not have this issue . Bioware needs to get with the modern day form of rpgs .

Becasue, bioware doesn't want one class to pawn all others, why be a soldier when you can be an expert biotic AND a master of all weapons? It makes sense to restrict classes.

    



thats fine Bioware can stay stuck in the past with class restrictions but other rpg games like Skyrim sell 10 million + already you tell me which rpg style game is more popular now .  

This isn't skyrim! Its mass effect, and either way its gunna sell in excess amounts. And calling mass effect outdated, is just plain wrong, mass effect has done nothing but bring rpg's a step closer to perfection...

[andy6915]

Adhin wrote...

Yeah I like it cause, if nothing else, I don't have to bring everything. Often times there is only 2-3 weapons I ever want on me at any given moment regardless of my class choice. Sometimes I only want 1, such as my Adept I wanna just roll with a basic pistol. Sentinel on the other hand I wanna use a Revanant. Also curious if Barrier will stack with Power Armor. Screw cooldowns. If I can ill keep both of them on and mow **** down with my Revanant hah! You know, use a power everyonce in awhile but I just got this image in my mind of massive shield/barrier induced tank with an LMG.

That sounds viable. I read in the powers thread a bioware developer said that someone on the team rolled a sentinel who got fortification and was going around with tech armor and fortification on and, by his words, was a supremely hard to kill character (especially with how fortification restores health now).

ttchip wrote...
not gonna happen. cooldown on Stimpack Adrenaline Rush starts once the effect is over.

Good. That level of broken would be worse then ME1 adepts or ME1 soldiers with immunity specialization from shock trooper.

Modifié par andy69156915, 04 février 2012 - 11:53 .

[Drake-Shepard]

I have a feeling that the more powerful variants such as widow, revenant will weigh more leaving you with a similar dilemma to ME2, (infiltrator)

[ttchip]

Drake-Shepard wrote...

I have a feeling that the more powerful variants such as widow, revenant will weigh more leaving you with a similar dilemma to ME2, (infiltrator)

cheers to you, captain obvious!

how else would they balance an lmg having high damage, good rate of fire and decent accuracy in comparison to other assault rifles? 

[Drake-Shepard]

well in my case i am torn between a widow sniper rifle or shotgun training in me2.
So this new flexible gun system was like a omg i can carry a widow and a shotgun now. But if the widow weighs too much then i might be screwed.
Unless i can remove my sub machine gun.

Also apparently as your default power evolves on infiltrator or vanguard you can choose weather to increase your weapon weight capacity or squad damage or something.

[Adhin]

OH MAN. Gah... ahh hell hell. See normally I go with Reave on that Sentinel Idea (and take AR's for Avenger to pretend its a Revanant in ME2). But if Fortification will cause self-regeneration along with upping shield (or just upping health or giving an armor bar whatever). Hell yeah!

Oh man If i can have Fortification instead of Power Armor on my Krogen Sentinel in MP 'and' have Reave as a bumper power. Ha ha ha! Damnit, why isn't this game out already >.<

[Adhin]

@Drake-Shepard: That's the beauty of it Drake - your not forced to carry any specific weapons. So if you weanna roll with just a Widow and a Shotgun - rock it dude.

[Stardusk78]

Adhin wrote...

@Drake-Shepard: That's the beauty of it Drake - your not forced to carry any specific weapons. So if you weanna roll with just a Widow and a Shotgun - rock it dude.

Can you carry no weapon?

[Drake-Shepard]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Adhin wrote...

@Drake-Shepard: That's the beauty of it Drake - your not forced to carry any specific weapons. So if you weanna roll with just a Widow and a Shotgun - rock it dude.

Can you carry no weapon?

it would be cool if you could be a weaponless infiltrator , cloak, melee, cloak again 1.1 seconds later and repeat

Modifié par Drake-Shepard, 04 février 2012 - 12:20 .

[Stardusk78]

Drake-Shepard wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Adhin wrote...

@Drake-Shepard: That's the beauty of it Drake - your not forced to carry any specific weapons. So if you weanna roll with just a Widow and a Shotgun - rock it dude.

Can you carry no weapon?

it would be cool if you could be a weaponless infiltrator , cloak, melee, cloak again 1.1 seconds later and repeat

Apparently cloak cooldown is directly tied to how long you are cloaked, not sure how that works or maybe it has no real duration but you are penalised for staying cloaked too long?