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[Lotion Soronarr]

hawat333 wrote...
It's the same as Tali becoming an admiral, despite managint to loose all her men in every mission and despite not having a training in strategy.
Let's pretend that between ME2 and 3 there is a 3 years time spacing, and it makes more sense.

Well, Bio wants to make every character important, so they are handing out important positions left and right, regardless how unbelievable such positions are.

[Aligalipe]

Ecmoose wrote...

Aligalipe wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

According to a foto of the upcoming artbook Jack has become a teacher at the Grissom Academy.
http://www.masseffec...012/02/Jack.jpg


What? How did that happen?
ME3 plays only months after ME2, so how did the psychotic Jack suddenly become a teacher?
First, no one with a sane mind would want a psycho like Jack anywhere near his children, let alone teach them something. And why would anyone employ a convicted mass murderer who broke out of a superprison to join a terroristic organization (thats from the view point of earth government)? I consider Jack beeing free and not hunted already a miracle, but as teacher for little children?

Sure, Jack is a powerful biotic, especially for a human, but that has more to do with her genetic modifications than with her skill which she would be able to pass on.

It's the same as Tali becoming an admiral, despite managint to loose all her men in every mission and despite not having a training in strategy.
Let's pretend that between ME2 and 3 there is a 3 years time spacing, and it makes more sense.

She wasn't in charge of those missions. First time Prazza was in charge. Second Kal Rheegar was escorting her. Just wanted to point it out.

She specifically tells Prazza that she's the boss. She was in charge and could not keep a hold of her own men.

Prazza lets her handle the situation but he is Tali's superior. If it wasn't like that she would have blamed herself for the others' deaths.

[Collider]

Ixalmaris wrote...

Collider wrote...
Almost makes me think they've been looking on the forums for ideas.
I recall some Jack fans suggesting Jack's ME3 epilogue to be helping orphans or disenfranchised biotics, or something else to that effect.

Which would actually fit better than a teacher employed by the government.

They're both gag worthy to me.

[Collider]

I thought it was pretty obvious that Tali was in charge. She said that Prazza's working for her, and told him to go wait on the ship if he can't follow orders.

The Admiralty Board put her in charge of the team on Haestrom too.

[Aligalipe]

jreezy wrote...

Aligalipe wrote...

Prazza lets her handle the situation but he is Tali's superior. If it wasn't like that she would have blamed herself for the others' deaths.

You have any evidence of that?

Not exactly, but the whole squad follow Prazza and I doubt that Tali is THAT bad as a leader. After all Kal Reegar respects her, I doubt that its a easy thing to earn the respect of an experienced soldier.

[Collider]

Not exactly, but the whole squad follow Prazza and I doubt that Tali is THAT bad as a leader. After all Kal Reegar respects her, I doubt that its a easy thing to earn the respect of an experienced soldier.

Miranda mentions Tali's botching her leadership roles and getting her teams killed.
I think they deliberately made Tali out to look like a bad firefight leader. Otherwise...there's the question of why she isn't a suitable team leader for the suicide mission.

Kal'Reegar doesn't strike me as someone who has especially high standards that he can only respect people who lead well.

[Someone With Mass]

Collider wrote...

I thought it was pretty obvious that Tali was in charge. She said that Prazza's working for her, and told him to go wait on the ship if he can't follow orders.

The Admiralty Board put her in charge of the team on Haestrom too.

Kal'Reegar was the commander, though. It's just as much his fault.

Then again, if we can blame people for being ambushed by the enemy, then Shepard is the worst commander in history.

[Collider]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...
I thought it was pretty obvious that Tali was in charge. She said that Prazza's working for her, and told him to go wait on the ship if he can't follow orders.

The Admiralty Board put her in charge of the team on Haestrom too.

Kal'Reegar was the commander, though. It's just as much his fault.

Then again, if we can blame people for being ambushed by the enemy, then Shepard is the worst commander in history.

For me it's not so much my personal opinion (I hardly judge or blame Tali for what happened on Haestrom or Freedom's Progress) as what Bioware deliberately tried to portray - that Tali had difficulties with being a leader and having command.

Not surprising considering what they're doing in ME3 - it's relevant. I think it's very probably there to show character development and her role and skills progressing.

[Aligalipe]

Collider wrote...

Not exactly, but the whole squad follow Prazza and I doubt that Tali is THAT bad as a leader. After all Kal Reegar respects her, I doubt that its a easy thing to earn the respect of an experienced soldier.

Miranda mentions Tali's botching her leadership roles and getting her teams killed.
I think they deliberately made Tali out to look like a bad firefight leader. Otherwise...there's the question of why she isn't a suitable team leader for the suicide mission.

Kal'Reegar doesn't strike me as someone who has especially high standards that he can only respect people who lead well.

You' re right he's not, but it showes that she's capable of earning respect. Besides she tells Shepard, "Prazza and his squad rushed on ahead..." (Looked at it in youtube). If it really is her fault, Bioware used wrong words. Or it isn't her fault because she isn't in charge.

[Collider]

Aligalipe wrote...

Collider wrote...

Not exactly, but the whole squad follow Prazza and I doubt that Tali is THAT bad as a leader. After all Kal Reegar respects her, I doubt that its a easy thing to earn the respect of an experienced soldier.

Miranda mentions Tali's botching her leadership roles and getting her teams killed.
I think they deliberately made Tali out to look like a bad firefight leader. Otherwise...there's the question of why she isn't a suitable team leader for the suicide mission.

Kal'Reegar doesn't strike me as someone who has especially high standards that he can only respect people who lead well.

You' re right he's not, but it showes that she's capable of earning respect. Besides she tells Shepard, "Prazza and his squad rushed on ahead..." (Looked at it in youtube). If it really is her fault, Bioware used wrong words. Or it isn't her fault because she isn't in charge.

It's partly her fault by virtue of her being in command.
I don't blame her for what Prazza did, but she is responsible for her team. That's just how it works.
It's not a mortal sin, I just wouldn't put her in command of troops on the ground anymore. She can't be good at everything (especially given that she's not Miranda and the whole suicide mission balance thing).

[Aligalipe]

Collider wrote...

Aligalipe wrote...

Collider wrote...

Not exactly, but the whole squad follow Prazza and I doubt that Tali is THAT bad as a leader. After all Kal Reegar respects her, I doubt that its a easy thing to earn the respect of an experienced soldier.

Miranda mentions Tali's botching her leadership roles and getting her teams killed.
I think they deliberately made Tali out to look like a bad firefight leader. Otherwise...there's the question of why she isn't a suitable team leader for the suicide mission.

Kal'Reegar doesn't strike me as someone who has especially high standards that he can only respect people who lead well.

You' re right he's not, but it showes that she's capable of earning respect. Besides she tells Shepard, "Prazza and his squad rushed on ahead..." (Looked at it in youtube). If it really is her fault, Bioware used wrong words. Or it isn't her fault because she isn't in charge.

It's partly her fault by virtue of her being in command.
I don't blame her for what Prazza did, but she is responsible for her team. That's just how it works.
It's not a mortal sin, I just wouldn't put her in command of troops on the ground anymore. She can't be good at everything (especially given that she's not Miranda and the whole suicide mission balance thing).

Since Prazza was the CO its entirely his fault but of course just because it isn't her fault that doesn't make Tali a good leader either. You' re right about that I never even considered her to be in charge of any squad. I wouldn't put any quarian in charge. Because even the best of them can be equal only to an average alliance marine, they aren't front line fighters. Their power lies in their huge fleet.

[nitefyre410]

jreezy wrote...

Aligalipe wrote...

Prazza lets her handle the situation but he is Tali's superior. If it wasn't like that she would have blamed herself for the others' deaths.

You have any evidence of that?

 

 Prazza was a  ****ing idot that got his friends killed and injured for being a hot head in a hositle  area.  

Do I have  sympathy  for him or the people the followed... absolutely not.   

[Collider]

Idiot, but he was trying to save a fellow quarian - and unstable one at that. Depending on how you play, Cerberus may actually get their claws on Veetor and make him even worse. So it's not as if Prazza had no cause to be concerned that one of their own would be abused.

[nitefyre410]

Collider wrote...

Idiot, but he was trying to save a fellow quarian - and unstable one at that. Depending on how you play, Cerberus may actually get their claws on Veetor and make him even worse. So it's not as if Prazza had no cause to be concerned that one of their own would be abused.

 

Yes are ran off  right  smack   into a heavy mech with his name on it and not did not SAVE anyonebut  got a bullet to face in the process. 

yes  he's an idoit... I really don't care what he was trying to do... especailly when he caused  more harm and still did not   save Veetor.. 

Cause you know the stand off with Cerebus could have wait till everyone got  to Veetor. 
He let his emotions get in the way  and got himself killed for it.  I don't care for Cerebus either but  don't be stupid about it.. 
Sorry, he was stupid and people died because of it. 

Cerebus or not.. there is no excuse for that. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 05 février 2012 - 02:05 .

[Armass81]

Because shut up.

Modifié par Armass81, 05 février 2012 - 02:06 .

[CerberusSoldier]

you mean the nerf job they did on here and she becomes a teacher

[DJBare]

nitefyre410 wrote...
Yes are ran off  right  smack   into a heavy mech with his name on it and not did not SAVE anyonebut  got a bullet to face in the process.

A mech Veetor programmed to protect himself, something Prazza was not expecting, unless he had the power to see into the future.

[Shadowrun1177]

Wow this got way off topic moved from about Jack being a teacher to Tali's leadership ability.

[Lvl20DM]

Jack is also a wanted fugitive. My guess would be that either the Academy sees lots of potential in Jack as a teacher, or they don't know who she really is.

Personally, I think this is a great direction for her character, even if it strains the timeline a bit. And concerning the timeline - do we have any idea how much has actually passed since ME2? Shep appears to have been grounded for quite a while, and following Arrival he doesn't immediately turn himself in. Enough time has passed for the Normandy to be taken apart piece by piece, upgraded, and reassembled.

[nitefyre410]

DJBare wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
Yes are ran off  right  smack   into a heavy mech with his name on it and not did not SAVE anyonebut  got a bullet to face in the process.

A mech Veetor programmed to protect himself, something Prazza was not expecting, unless he had the power to see into the future.

 

Or he could have been a  little more cautious instead of rushing off and running face first  into it, cause you know Ymir's are really not that stealthy or small. 

Was his heart right place... yep.  Sadly that doesn't count much  in end when the rest of your splattered everywhere else.


and their right this is off topc.. back on topic.  


Jack teaching ability , relating personal expirence ... which depends on how closer she has gotten in the  time between Mass Effect 2 and 3. On  top of the desire of  "Well they made me to be weapon but I'm going to opposite. "  There is some of that going on.    

Modifié par nitefyre410, 05 février 2012 - 02:21 .

[Sebbe1337o]

Is there somewhere where I can find more pics from the ME3 artbook?

[Ixalmaris]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

Is there somewhere where I can find more pics from the ME3 artbook?

They must be out there somewhere. I once found the Artbooks Amazon site with a "Look Inside" feature where you can look at Ashleys, Vegas, Anderson and I think Liaras page. But sadly they either turned the feature off or I am now not finding tis book any more.

[royard]

The writer of Tali's story recently posted something along the lines of "tali is not a good combat leader." http://forums.penny-...-toaster-today/

It's buried somewhere in there.

But I think the relationship between Tali and Prazza is less than clear. If Tali is CO, then Prazza's action (defying his CO's direct orders in the presence of Cerberus) is simply unforgivable. It's one thing to say that Tali can't handle a group of well-trained marine, another to say that she can't manage a bunch of guys who hardly have any military discipline.

Tali's situation on Haestrom is better in some ways since Kal'Reegar appears to be following her command. However, it's also much worse since geth has superior firepower. 12 regular marines are simply not enough.

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about the Jack situation--WTF? This truly makes no sense. Being a teacher, even just a sports coach, requires discipline that I just can't see in Jack. On the other hand, showing off her abilities and beating other people in "practice matches" is something I can see Jack doing. Also, in the game, when you push a button and tell Jack to go somewhere, she usually does, so maybe there's the discipline that I was looking for.
I would think Jack was more suited to lead a biotic death squad which hunts down Cerberus operatives.

[Nexis7]

mass effect fields. im telling you guys.