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[hawat333]

Well, if everyone got enough screen time (I, for example, would vote for Anoleis), the game would be waaay too long.
But I could imagine Miranda having a greater role as she was nearly impossible to kill in the SM.

[mineralica]

I'm with you, OP. ME series has strange practice of leaving majority of squad and all/most of LI outside of next installment, but it's very sad that ME3 is the last game and those who were left outside won't get a chance to return.

Miranda's situation raises even more questions: how exactly person which knows most about Cerberus was left outside squad when 40% of enemies consist of said Cerberus?

[Blooddrunk1004]

I don't blame any squadmates for this matter. Bioware has sealed the fate of every squadmate in ME2, the moment they decided to add extra 10 squadmates.

Also if the game will be based on the leaked script, then i can say that: Wrex, Grunt, Miranda, Thane, Kasumi... (i didn't read for the rest of the charachters) all recieve very well done moments and justice.
Same goes for permanent squad members.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 05 février 2012 - 11:38 .

[Ecmoose]

mineralica wrote...

I'm with you, OP. ME series has strange practice of leaving majority of squad and all/most of LI outside of next installment, but it's very sad that ME3 is the last game and those who were left outside won't get a chance to return.

Miranda's situation raises even more questions: how exactly person which knows most about Cerberus was left outside squad when 40% of enemies consist of said Cerberus?

Really? ME1 Squad: Liara, Miranda, Kaidan, Tali, Garrus, Wrex.

Of these people, in ME2, two of them are permanent squad mates. One gets an entire DLC, and is a regular information broker even before that. Another is a leader on his homeworld fighting to keep his species alive.

The only people "left out" of ME2 were Kaidan/Ashely, who, as soldiers in the alliance, have a damned good reason not to be working with Cerberus.


Also, suppose Miranda is given a BIG GODDAMN HERO role in ME3. What  of the people who have saves where she was killed off? They just get some lame replacement who knows all the things Miranda knows? That doesn't make any sense.

Miranda will be in ME3. She might be the enemy, she might be a double agent, she might be an ally working elsewhere alowing Shepard to focus on other things. However she will be in the game, and f she's your LI I have no doubt that Bioware will provide you with suffiecient reason to interact on a larger capacity.

The game isn't out, so worrying about little things like this and saying that BW has "set a precedent" because they went with a slightly different direction for the second of three games is a bit ridiculous.

Modifié par Ecmoose, 05 février 2012 - 11:40 .

[shenlonzero]

this can easily be solved.

aside from the original 3 LI (kaiden, ash, liara), just have a LI slot that can be filled by any character you had a romance with. for those who did not, it could simply be filled by any opposite sex character.

[Grey34]

mineralica wrote...

I'm with you, OP. ME series has strange practice of leaving majority of squad and all/most of LI outside of next installment, but it's very sad that ME3 is the last game and those who were left outside won't get a chance to return.

Miranda's situation raises even more questions: how exactly person which knows most about Cerberus was left outside squad when 40% of enemies consist of said Cerberus?

 

that's what happen when you make a big squad  you can't fit everyone in,  just be glad you guys get good resolutions. 

 

[Vez04]

Grey34 wrote...

mineralica wrote...

I'm with you, OP. ME series has strange practice of leaving majority of squad and all/most of LI outside of next installment, but it's very sad that ME3 is the last game and those who were left outside won't get a chance to return.

Miranda's situation raises even more questions: how exactly person which knows most about Cerberus was left outside squad when 40% of enemies consist of said Cerberus?

 

that's what happen when you make a big squad  you can't fit everyone in,  just be glad you guys get good resolutions. 

 

Unfortenly, BSNers can usually never be glad of what they get from BW.

[yummysoap]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

The majority of ME fans most certainly do have Miranda - willingly or not - given that she's the single hardest
squadmate to kill in the ME2 ending and you pretty much have to actively try to achieve it.

She is not hard to kill. It's just there's only one way to do it. Either don't do her LM ordo it but side with Jack and never make up with her. Take her into the final battle. That's it. it's not hard.

Don't know what the majority of players have for squadmates who survived but I would guess that the majority has them all alive to see what happens to them in ME3. I killed Miranda though.

She is still comparatively harder to kill than any of the other squadmates in ME2, so much so that she actually comes back to life after one of her death scenes without explanation. This alone would give her a statistical advantage and probably one that Bioware intended.

But you're right in saying it's not really relevant. Of course it's not possible for Bioware to lend an equal amount of credence to all their characters - people are going to be disappointed regardless of what they do.

Modifié par yummysoap, 05 février 2012 - 01:59 .

[KingDan97]

Qui-Gon-Jinn wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

^ The Miranda Thread is being distorted by very pessimistic people who are causing me to worry a lot.

And I don't like the fact that the Normandy has become another SR1. 

Too bad, the majority of ME fans want the Normandy Blue and the majority of ME fans don't have Miranda in ME3 anyway.

Considering Miranda had plot armor thicker than an Abrams tank, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that a majority of players do have her alive, unless you think a majority of players killed multiple other people in an attempt to make sure Miranda didn't make it out alive.

[Alex Arterius]

I simply don't understand why people like Tali got onto the squad over people like Legion and Miranda who are far more main plot linked in ME3. The whole thing feels so contrived. I like Liara, but why is she on the Normandy when she's the shadowbroker?

And then we get characters like Vega on the squad over our favourites, the guy just seems like a massive... well douche tbh :L I bet he's just gonna turn out to be another boring soilder type.

And then Chobot?! Blatantly just there for sex appeal, casting aside strong chacter development for some hot piece of ass. It's pretty low tbh

[Phaedon]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

I do not understand.

Why do Tali'Zorah and Garrus Vakarian have no freewill for following Commander Shepard everywhere, but the same would not apply to Miranda?

Replace Miranda with almost the entirety of the ME1 squad, and ask that question again.

[Hillbillyshep]

Come whine about the squad in my thread!

[Someone With Mass]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

I do not understand.

Why do Tali'Zorah and Garrus Vakarian have no freewill for following Commander Shepard everywhere, but the same would not apply to Miranda?

I guess the difference is that Tali and Garrus were in ME1 and one game extra apparently makes them borderline slaves/sidekicks/whatever.

Then again, Miranda was in Mass Effect Galaxy...

I don't know how the hell that's supposed to work.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jreezy wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I don't see how.

3 games, 2 sidekicks. And what Seboist said. Same can be applied to Tali except replace "sidekick" with "little sister action-girl".

Kill them in ME2 and it's "problem solved".

I for one have no choice but to have everyone alive. I don't know what I'll be dealing with in ME3, and I don't want to see what happens the hard and sad way.

Well, I DO have a choice, BUUUUUT I want EVERYTHING Complete for ME3.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 05 février 2012 - 05:40 .

[UltimaRai]

Wow, I'm a "Miri" fan too, but you just insane. You use call her Miri but that's usually what people say when talking directly to Miri. I mean even Miranda's sister doesn't call her Miri when she mails Shepard. You need help. Also I'd probably get a lot of face time with Miranda, because she and Ashley will be yelling at me for the whole of ME3, wonder if Diana would add more to that...But then again I have two saves so yeah...

[JosephDucreux]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

I do not understand.

Why do Tali'Zorah and Garrus Vakarian have no freewill for following Commander Shepard everywhere, but the same would not apply to Miranda?

Team Dextro got two whole games to themselves, and they're batting for three now. Miranda got one game, and got f*cked over in the final instalment. Do the math.

[JosephDucreux]

KingDan97 wrote...
Considering Miranda had plot armor thicker than an Abrams tank, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that a majority of players do have her alive, unless you think a majority of players killed multiple other people in an attempt to make sure Miranda didn't make it out alive.

That's Liara, yo. Anyways, Qui-Gon is just speaking outta his ass right now, so don't read too much into it.

[Calibrationmaster]

who cares about miranda? she is a biatch , she is a spoiled biatch, look at her in the suicide mission? always telling to make bad choises ...

she is good looking only, one of the worst character in the game

[didymos1120]

Yay! More "My favorite character could beat up your favorite character" nonsense.

[royard]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Mirianda isn't a squadmate, and she only pops up at the end of the story, you can talk to her a few times. That's how it's going to happen, nothing you say will change it.

But why would BioWare do that and why would they mostly favor the ME1 Characters more? 

It is true that the Characters could die in ME2, BUUUUUUUTT that doesn't change the fact that they can STILL have large enough roles like the ME1 Characters.

I'm not sure why Bioware made the choice to exclude ME2 squad.  From the sound of it, every surviving ME2 squad member gets a side quest and could be a temp squad member.  This is really similar to the Kasumi/Zaeed situation in ME2, where you recruit them without a quest and can do loyalty quest after. 

Besides budget constrains to record all those "mission specific comments" (like the "they are gonna target Earth" comment on the collector ship trap mission), I fail to see any difficulty to implement a huge roster just like ME2.