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[Grey34]

mereck7980 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Grey34 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Grey34 wrote...

you should've Expected that really since ME2 came out. so deal with it!

Not really. ME2 was my first Mass Effect game. I had no Idea about what happened in ME1 back then.

 

 oh boo hoo  like i said now you know how it feels to be left out.  but unlike you i dealt with it and moved on
  
Edit: i love every character anyway so i'm going to be pleased ether way. of course some more than others  like Ashley and Liara. 

No need to be an ass.<_<

I feel you OP, whats with all the douchey comments.  You are just expressing your opinion.  

sorry it's just  he expects  to much from Bioware they are not gods.  and as for the Douchey comments i bet he would  say those things if it was the other way around.  

[Alex Arterius]

FeralEwok wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

With respect, I don't mean it like that.

Like I said:

If they wanted to give the ME2 Characters little time (LI or not), they could have done the same for the ME1 Characters. It is a War after all.
Why favor just one Fanbase? That's all I'm asking.

For Example: Liara is the Shadow Broker ffs. Why isn't she at her base finding Vital Info?
Tali could be at the Migrant fleet helping her people and/or help Legion as well.
The VS is a Spectre now, right? So why don't they have their own Ship and Crew?
Garrus could easily round up some troops and what not on his own.

You could point to all previous squadmates and give them some sort of business to do.

If everyone did then all Shepard would have left is Vega.

It's not a question of which characters Bioware prefers MassEffectfan. They are not out to spite you and anyone who loves (a little too much it seems) Miranda.

If you really loved that character so much then you would learn to appreciate what her role is about and not how many lines she has. She plays a role. It's not the lead, it's not even the main supporting one, but she has a purpose just like everybody else.

Giving everyone an equal amount of time simply to satisfy every single fan out there would be a disaster and not to mention insane.

People dont always have the same level of importance...it is a War after all.

People who throw about the term "equal amount of time" simply don't get it at all. It's probably beacuse they like the current build of the squad so are some what mesmorised by anyone elses view who differs.
"Disaster and not to mention insane" please? that's such a load of rubbish :L What would be the harm of haveing 3 charcters from ME1 (VS, Liara, Garrus) then three from ME2 (Legion, Mirana, Thane?) what kind of "insane" and "disaterous" consequences would supposedly arise from this? Hahaha

The whole point is not "all charcters can't have equal screen time" -  we al get that. it's the point that Bioware hasn't even attempted to try and incoperate different characters from different fannbases (ME1 base and ME2 base)

Instead, what we're left with is the furthest pole possible from "equal": A team composed souly of ME1 crew squaddies with not a singe ME2 chacter among them, "not all charcters can have equal screen time" then why the hell do the ME1 cast have so darn much screen time? That's waaaay over even.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Grey34 wrote...


sorry it's just  he expects  to much from Bioware they are not gods.  and as for the Douchey comments i bet he would  say those things if it was the other way around.  

No, I'm no hypocrite.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 05 février 2012 - 03:54 .

[G3rman]

Why split the squad evenly between ME1 and ME2? You can make an argument that any of the characters have better things to do than be on the Normandy when the game starts or eventually come to stay on the Normandy. They have other things to do and have to help Shepard from the sidelines, get over it.

Be happy they get their own arcs at all.

[MisterJB]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
You also seem to be ignoring the fact that Tali and Garrus were in fact also in ME2, as well as that it is harder to incorporate ME2 characters because they could be dead.

Therefore, Garrus and Tali should not be on the squad.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...
You also seem to be ignoring the fact that Tali and Garrus were in fact also in ME2, as well as that it is harder to incorporate ME2 characters because they could be dead.

Therefore, Garrus and Tali should not be on the squad.

That is true. They were likely able to die like everyone else.

[G3rman]

I think they are gong by 1. Popularity of character 2. The impact the character gives and 3. the class of each character to round out the squad.

Its important for new fans getting into the series with ME3 to have iconic characters like Garrus and even Tali to teach them about Turians/Quarians and have them as old friends.

[MisterJB]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
Actually, since he was talking about trying to please both ME1 and ME2 fans, they would be the best choice out of all the ME2 squad, as they were in both.

Which would be acceptable if, besides them, the squad in ME3 consisted solely of new characters.
As it stands, the VS and Liara will already be on the squad representing ME1, having two ME2 exclusive squadmates would be only fair.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...
Actually, since he was talking about trying to please both ME1 and ME2 fans, they would be the best choice out of all the ME2 squad, as they were in both.

Which would be acceptable if, besides them, the squad in ME3 consisted solely of new characters.
As it stands, the VS and Liara will already be on the squad representing ME1, having two ME2 exclusive squadmates would be only fair.

That's the problem, the Characters staying on the Normandy Representing ME2 will be Garrus and Tali. Like I said: ANOTHER SR1....<_<

[Grey34]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...
You also seem to be ignoring the fact that Tali and Garrus were in fact also in ME2, as well as that it is harder to incorporate ME2 characters because they could be dead.

Therefore, Garrus and Tali should not be on the squad.

That is true. They were likely able to die like everyone else.

 

 well in certain people's playthrough they are dead so it will be interesting how they incorporate that into the gane. wait til the game is out before complaining i say 

[Mclouvins]

MisterJB wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...
Actually, since he was talking about trying to please both ME1 and ME2 fans, they would be the best choice out of all the ME2 squad, as they were in both.

Which would be acceptable if, besides them, the squad in ME3 consisted solely of new characters.
As it stands, the VS and Liara will already be on the squad representing ME1, having two ME2 exclusive squadmates would be only fair.

Life's not fair. The character/squad distribution is the way it is because the writing and production team decided that this was the best way to do it in a manner that was fiscally viable. People can second guess them all day long and complain and about such and such a character but in the end of the day all that would lead to is pandering which almost always leads to a poorer final product. Even if they did put two ME2 exclusive companions in the extent of the grievences from people who didn't get their favorites in would be just as rampant as it is now.

[MisterJB]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
Well, from where I see it, they put in Liara and the VS because they were guaranteed to be alive. Simple enough.

True.

From there, they only had space (if they wanted to keep the squad small) to put in two ME2 squadmates. So they picked the ones that had been with Shepard from the beginning and had the most history with him/her.

No, they picked the ones with the largest fanbases. A developer admitted this much when he stated that Tali was included due to fan demand.
It's a good move, from a commercial standpoint. I am just, understandably, not happy with it.
Some fans get to eat their cake in all 3 games. Others...not so much.

By doing so, they also manage to keep the squad more mixed-race (choosing, say, Miranda and Jacob would result in only having one alien on the entire team, provided you don't have the CE).

It's more important to have more well written characters on the squad rather than simply more aliens.
But I will refrain from saying anything more because I'd rather not see this turn into a "My favorite character is much better than your favorite character" argument.

[DigitalMaster37]

I honestly think its plenty fair. In ME2 all of ME1 fans took a back seat except for Tali, so really there should be no complaints imo. Some might say well we got ME1. Every romance will get its due in ME3, so again, there is no need to complain on this one. We all have suffered equally in my opinion. I am sure a ton of people agree too.

[JosephDucreux]

Grey34 wrote...
i'm sorry  Garrus,Tali,Liara is more important to the story than the rest whether you like it or not.

MEFan, chillax and learn from the Panda. Of course, nepotism's gonna be rife cause of the wailing kids-I mean groupies, the devs who ****** to alien sex, and the fact that Liara happens to be the lead writer's waifu.  But then again, the Panda has given us an idea of what to do to Bioware's head office. So chillax, and go Panda.

Modifié par JosephDucreux, 05 février 2012 - 04:29 .

[Ryzaki]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...frankly I'd be happy if we could choose our squadmates.

At least have some of the ME2 exclusive squad (that's not equipment) be mutually exclusive with ME1 squad.

I.E: You can get Miranda or the VS at a certain point.
Tali or Legion.
Garrus or X
So on.

If they were really going to go to all the trouble to write all those extra characters and make them bonus powers and such, why would they make them mutually exclusive with other squadmates so that half the players get nothing out of it? Plus they'd have to come up with some pretty contrived reasons to make you choose between them, too.

There's a beautiful thing called replayability. There's plenty of content in ME that half the playerbase won't see. Didn't stop the devs from putting it in.

Not really. Not more contrived than the reasons for not having them on the squad (or having them on the squad) in the first place.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 février 2012 - 04:31 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I can't relax. I want to actually speak to a dev.

[jtrook]

In honestly, It is insanely hard to write a story where characters get an equal amount of time and plot importance. I just got done writing a novel(yeah, I know nerdy) and doing such a thing was impossible with 6 characters. Now take that and imagine about 14 characters or so who can die (except Liara), don't forget 7 of them can have romances and 2 were DLC which meant some players didn't have access to them. Combine that with the plethora of choices one made over the span of 2 games, and you have a LOT of game to make. Miranda and other LI's will more then likely have a diminished appearance. But on the paragon side of things, I doubt BW will just dump anyone. So March 6th, let's troll then.

[DigitalMaster37]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I can't relax. I want to actually speak to a dev.

It won't do you any good. The game is gold, there are no more changes going to be made. what you get at this point is what you get. It really pans out fairly. This game is far more than a dating sim (although admittantly, it is a dating sim too), so as such there is a bigger story that needs to be told which trumps all of the side stories (and yes the romances are side stories).

What you're going through is what us Liara/Ashley/Kaidan people went through in ME2. Suck it up and face the music, we had to. Truthfully it is fair, even Tali's situaition as much as I cringe to say it. YOu couldn't romance Tali in ME1, so she got put into ME2 and now will play a role in ME3 just like Miranda and others. No one was cheated, so I'd say go get a beer/wine whatever floats your boat and chill. 

If a dev does reply, you will get a generic answer and I promise you that answer will include in one way or another that the game is finished and you will get what you get (meaning you will still get a very good climax... to your story - and yes, the pun was intended). 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ I don't think it was intended for BioWare to make ME2 Romancers suffer because of the lack of moments for Liara/Ashley/Kaidenmancers.

Anyway....I'm just worried ok? I'm just afraid of being played, duped, whatever, in the Final Game of the Series.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 05 février 2012 - 04:44 .

[MisterJB]

Lack of moments for Liaramancers? Please.

[DigitalMaster37]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

^ I don't think it was intended for BioWare to make ME2 Romancers suffer because of the lack of moments for Liara/Ashley/Kaidenmancers.

Anyway....I'm just worried ok? I'm just afraid of being played, duped, whatever.

Man, it's ok, I understand how you feel as aforementioned. After playing ME2, I felt all was lost, then BioWare went and made the LotSB and blew my mind. I don't think they will let you down. I read the spoiler script (I will NOT spoil anything) but you have nothing to worry about. Miranda is definitely in ME3 and although probably not in a squaddie role, I don't think you'll be dissapointed. 

[DigitalMaster37]

MisterJB wrote...

Lack of moments for Liaramancers? Please.

ME2 vanilla was the worst!

Even worst for VS romancers. 

Don't give me that. Yeah we Liara lovers may be swimming in bliss now, but at one point in time, we were on the bottom of the totum pole (well at least second to the bottom ~ I'm looking at you VS romancers, poor guys/gals) 

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 05 février 2012 - 04:49 .