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[MissMaster]

annihilator27 wrote...

MissMaster wrote...

And if Ash had a mustache and was ugly people would still be pissed.

I found this in the Twitter thread a couple of days ago.

LOL!!!

[JeffZero]

Russalka wrote...

Would forcing male characters into tight latex outfits put things into perspective?

"No, that would be wrong!"

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

[quote]Russalka wrote...

Would forcing male characters into tight latex outfits put things into perspective?[/quote]

[/quote]
You mean like Jacob?

[The Minority]

If she's the same character, I really don't care.

[incinerator950]

bleetman wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

As for the rest of your post, yeah, that's what made me do a bit of a double-take. The art book is just... facepalm. So is that GameInformer interview with one of the designers from last year that gets mentioned from time to time, when he explained that the relative lack of female aliens was due to not knowing what to do to make them attractive.

Mmm. I hadn't even seen that. I suspect it's probably a good thing that I didn't.

Also, I was talking about the ME1 armour before. Not sure if that did or didn't come across clearly, so I'll just mention it.

incinerator950 wrote...

Bioware's IP, not theirs.  They don't like it, then can shove off.  I hear Star Wars or the pre FO3 Fallout Community is looking for more useless fans.

Oh good. I was afraid you might have something useful to contribute.

I have as much useful information to contribute as you do. 

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Isabela is one of the best female characters I have ever encountered in my life. I mean it. She owns her image, it's part of who she is and what she does, how she is treated by others in the game and how those relationships evolve. Her existence in the game exposes common attitudes that society holds towards women who enjoy sex and who refuse to be shamed into putting pants on when she doesn't want to put pants on. Plus, she has depth beyond that pantslessness and liking sex.

Plus plus, and more importantly, I have never heard a BW person claim that Isabela's designed was informed by any desire to make her sexier. That is what I find most abhorent about these character designs- this notion that what Ashley was in ME, which was kickass and feminine in a way that isn't exactly what we're told to find sexy, was unsexy. And now, in the process of amping that sexy up, we're hitting the edge of caricature. It's not enough that ME2 attempted to define Miranda by her ass, or Samara by her boobs, when they didn't need to. It's not enough that the only female aliens we see are gorgeous, humanoid, bisexual, all-seem-to-have-a-stripper-phase Asari and the curvy (and "vulnerable"!) quarian. No. We have all of that happening, and the team had  to turn Ashley into a standard issue "babe" and didn't even have the creativity, or the courtesy, to make up a less insulting excuse than "she was too dumpy in ME."

What I found abhorrent about Isabel was what I mentioned above--that she in a relationship with hawke, says she's falling for him, but when an old friend drops by she jumps in the sack without even having the slightest curtesy to have asked hawke if that kind of relationship was okay.

I liked Isabel until that part. i didn't really mind the overt sexuality. The fact that she would be so selfish and inconsiderate, however, pulled me away. It's about the character (the abstract definition) to me.

Should've picked  Merrill.

[GodWood]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Frankly, I think Ashley is sexier in armor than she is in Miranda's cat suit. In fact I feel the same way about Miranda. She looks so much better in her DLC armor than she does in the catsuit.

I find Ash's shirt, cargo pants look more attractive overall.

At least with that you can imagine undressing her. With the catsuit it's more "....wait...uh.. how do I? Hmmm.. Maybe? No, that's not right."

Ahem. 

[Xarathox]

kareatix wrote...

bleetman wrote...

What's getting people - or me, at least - riled up over ME3 outfits isn't so much that they're sexy. It's the 'character X needed to be sexy, so we sexed them up' isn't even community speculation. It's literally described as being the justification for character design. So when stuff like this comes out, yeah, people're going to get annoyed by it.

This, a hundred times this. Oh Bioware, what were you thinking...

They would like to make more money? They're in the business of it, tbh...

[Anarya]

SurelyForth wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Anarya wrote...
When I look at the difference between Bioware's two major original IPs with regard to respect for female (and homosexual) characters it just blows me away. Dragon Age is not perfect in this respect but it's lightyears ahead of Mass Effect. 
 

*ahem*

I'd like to introduce you to Isabel.

Mass Effect is light years ahead of DA.

Isabela is one of the best female characters I have ever encountered in my life. I mean it. She owns her image, it's part of who she is and what she does, how she is treated by others in the game and how those relationships evolve. Her existence in the game exposes common attitudes that society holds towards women who enjoy sex and who refuse to be shamed into putting pants on when she doesn't want to put pants on. Plus, she has depth beyond that pantslessness and liking sex.

Plus plus, and more importantly, I have never heard a BW person claim that Isabela's designed was informed by any desire to make her sexier. That is what I find most abhorent about these character designs- this notion that what Ashley was in ME, which was kickass and feminine in a way that isn't exactly what we're told to find sexy, was unsexy. And now, in the process of amping that sexy up, we're hitting the edge of caricature. It's not enough that ME2 attempted to define Miranda by her ass, or Samara by her boobs, when they didn't need to. It's not enough that the only female aliens we see are gorgeous, humanoid, bisexual, all-seem-to-have-a-stripper-phase Asari and the curvy (and "vulnerable"!) quarian. No. We have all of that happening, and the team had  to turn Ashley into a standard issue "babe" and didn't even have the creativity, or the courtesy, to make up a less insulting excuse than "she was too dumpy in ME."

Well put. 

[ttchip]

ehh... lookin forward to putting her into that alternative outfit provided by the CE.

[Russalka]

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

You mean like Jacob?

Yes!

I haven't seen any male characters in tight buttlicious suits in ME3 as of yet.

[GodWood]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
I liked Isabel until that part. i didn't really mind the overt sexuality. The fact that she would be so selfish and inconsiderate, however, pulled me away. It's about the character (the abstract definition) to me.

By forcing her to remain loyal to you and preventing her from being able to be free with her sexuality you're being selfish and inconsiderate of her needs.

/contrarian.

[Icinix]

Anarya wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Anarya wrote...
When I look at the difference between Bioware's two major original IPs with regard to respect for female (and homosexual) characters it just blows me away. Dragon Age is not perfect in this respect but it's lightyears ahead of Mass Effect. 
 

*ahem*

I'd like to introduce you to Isabel.

Mass Effect is light years ahead of DA.

Isabela is one of the best female characters I have ever encountered in my life. I mean it. She owns her image, it's part of who she is and what she does, how she is treated by others in the game and how those relationships evolve. Her existence in the game exposes common attitudes that society holds towards women who enjoy sex and who refuse to be shamed into putting pants on when she doesn't want to put pants on. Plus, she has depth beyond that pantslessness and liking sex.

Plus plus, and more importantly, I have never heard a BW person claim that Isabela's designed was informed by any desire to make her sexier. That is what I find most abhorent about these character designs- this notion that what Ashley was in ME, which was kickass and feminine in a way that isn't exactly what we're told to find sexy, was unsexy. And now, in the process of amping that sexy up, we're hitting the edge of caricature. It's not enough that ME2 attempted to define Miranda by her ass, or Samara by her boobs, when they didn't need to. It's not enough that the only female aliens we see are gorgeous, humanoid, bisexual, all-seem-to-have-a-stripper-phase Asari and the curvy (and "vulnerable"!) quarian. No. We have all of that happening, and the team had  to turn Ashley into a standard issue "babe" and didn't even have the creativity, or the courtesy, to make up a less insulting excuse than "she was too dumpy in ME."

Well put. 

Indeed it was. This envelops the whole issue with their direction.

[kareatix]

Xarathox wrote...

kareatix wrote...

bleetman wrote...

What's getting people - or me, at least - riled up over ME3 outfits isn't so much that they're sexy. It's the 'character X needed to be sexy, so we sexed them up' isn't even community speculation. It's literally described as being the justification for character design. So when stuff like this comes out, yeah, people're going to get annoyed by it.

This, a hundred times this. Oh Bioware, what were you thinking...

They would like to make more money? They're in the business of it, tbh...

They wanna sex the characters up? Fine, whatever. But include that fact in the character art descriptions in their art books? Gimme a break.

[DJBare]

Russalka wrote...

Would forcing male characters into tight latex outfits put things into perspective?

Do it Bioware!, I want to see the flak

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Should've picked  Merrill.

Merrill isn't a human being.

And that matters why...?

[Icinix]

mrsph wrote...

Jacob and Thane had pretty skintight outfits.

The camera also focuses on Jacob's ass a lot when you start the romance.Though it isn't as obnoxius as Miranda's ass filling up the entire screen.

Jacob wasn't an existing character from ME1 who suddenly found himself sexed up for the sake of it.

[Ravensword]

Kasumi is pretty much the only character that is justified in wearing a catsuit b/c of the fact that she's a thief and it wouldn't do to wear bulky or baggy clothing when she would probably need to crawl through air ducts or avoid tripping security systems.

[Icinix]

mrsph wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Jacob wasn't an existing character from ME1 who suddenly found himself sexed up for the sake of it.

I know!

That's my issue with Ashley!

Ohh - sorry. My bad.

In which case - I agree!

[incinerator950]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

At least this way Ash serves some kind of purpose, the character is worthless in all other regards. Maybe this will make the one playthrough where I didn't let this poetry-reading, angsty, religious little bigot die at least bearable.

Still looking forward to having her freak out when she finds out Shepard banged Jack.

I deliberately avoided a relationship in ME 1 because I started to dislike Liara for some reason, I never liked Ash or much of her character.