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[ddv.rsa]

Foxtrot 212 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Foxtrot 212 wrote...

(Paragons are getting punished in directly which makes decisions ALOT harder)

Can you PM me the cases which this occurs? I've seen no such thing and I've pretty much combed through the leak.

That't not the problem.  The problem is the outcomes for Paragons, regardless of difficult sacrifices or decisions, is that they get a better reward, with no severe repercussions.  It's been this way the entire series, and so far (not looking at the Leak), nothing has directly changed.  Now you just get to sacrifice dozens or hundreds of people, to save larger population.  Save base, save war assets.  That's not new, thats just pushing it over.  Combined with the damn Ranting Saphra keeps spouting, it really is starting to sound worse.

Its making me want to stab the lot of you, not cancel my delicious pre-order.

Oh no no no no no, Paragons will get LOTS of penalties this game, the particular choice im thinking of is a tough one and it affects from a Paragon choice in ME 1 

Edit: But paragons dont go rushing to make a Renegade, Renegades are near in the same boat.

Please PM me the details on that choice.

[Kronner]

Chewin3 wrote...

The refinery is more important than Vido and a bunch of workers.

Why is that? If you save it, you get only 30k credits..so either they are greedy ****s or the refinery is largely unimportant.

Modifié par Kronner, 05 février 2012 - 05:15 .

[Unpleasant Implications]

Foxtrot 212 wrote...

Oh no no no no no, Paragons will get LOTS of penalties this game, the particular choice im thinking of is a tough one and it affects from a Paragon choice in ME 1 

Edit: But paragons dont go rushing to make a Renegade, Renegades are near in the same boat.

Where? PM me, I haven't heard anything of the sort.

[CroGamer002]

Kronner wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

The refinery is more important than Vido and a bunch of workers.

Why is that? If you save it, you get only 30k credits..so either they are greedy ****s or the refinery is largely unimportant.

And how is killing Vido better?

Solem is already leading Blue Suns.

[Chewin]

Kronner wrote...
Why is that? If you save it, you get only 30k credits..so either they are greedy ****s or the refinery is largely unimportant

Pff, I'm not talking about some dumb gameplay experience reward. Go back and read my post again.

[Kronner]

Mesina2 wrote...

And how is killing Vido better?

Solem is already leading Blue Suns.

Vido still might have influence over part of Blue Suns organization. But in general, my Shepard does not like when someone tries to escape using hostages, so I just kill them regardless and hopefully it sends a message.

Chewin3 wrote...
Pff, I'm not talking about some dumb gameplay experience reward. Go back and read my post again.

Yeah, the refinery might be worth a lot of money, but in my books, killing Vido is worth more than X million credits that some company is gonna have to pay. 

Modifié par Kronner, 05 février 2012 - 05:29 .

[CroGamer002]

Kronner wrote...

Vido still might have influence over part of Blue Suns organization. But in general, my Shepard does not like when someone tries to escape using hostages, so I just kill them regardless and hopefully it sends a message.

First of all, Blue Suns DIDN'T used their hostages! It's Zaeed to be blamed for that. His recklessness put those hostages in danger.
Blue Suns were just escaping from that fire and ignored their hostages, who were working as their slaves and Zaeed killed them by putting refinery to fire.


Also, if everyone dies, WHO SENDS THAT MESSAGE?!

As far as Blue Suns know, it was all an accident that killed everyone.

[cactusberry]

So a choice between sacrificing two things or getting another way out depends on the purchase of a DLC...?

-____-

[CroGamer002]

Kronner wrote...

Yeah, the refinery might be worth a lot of money, but in my books, killing Vido is worth more than X million credits that some company is gonna have to pay. 

Even if you really damage Blue Suns with that, that means Eclipse and Blood Pack get stronger.

Which I don't think it is a good idea then.

[CroGamer002]

TheDarkRats wrote...

So a choice between sacrificing two things or getting another way out depends on the purchase of a DLC...?

-____-

Zaeed is free DLC.

[Dave of Canada]

TheDarkRats wrote...

So a choice between sacrificing two things or getting another way out depends on the purchase of a DLC...?

-____-

Incorrect, not playing the DLC or not buying it gives you the third way out.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 février 2012 - 05:32 .

[TexasToast712]

Dave of Canada wrote...

TheDarkRats wrote...

So a choice between sacrificing two things or getting another way out depends on the purchase of a DLC...?

-____-

Incorrect, not playing the DLC or not buying it gives you the third way out.

PM me which race is involved?

[Femlob]

incinerator950 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Foxtrot 212 wrote...

(Paragons are getting punished in directly which makes decisions ALOT harder)

Can you PM me the cases which this occurs? I've seen no such thing and I've pretty much combed through the leak.

That't not the problem.  The problem is the outcomes for Paragons, regardless of difficult sacrifices or decisions, is that they get a better reward, with no severe repercussions.

And rightly so. If you play a narrow-minded, ruthless, opportunistic *sshole who is willing to sacrifice just about everyone and everything for victory you deserve to get the short end of the stick. Every time I see a Renegade trash about, I'm reminded that their idea of a "cure" is far worse than the disease they're trying to combat.

Modifié par Femlob, 05 février 2012 - 05:44 .

[Chewin]

Kronner wrote...
Yeah, the refinery might be worth a lot of money, but in my books, killing Vido is worth more than X million credits that some company is gonna have to pay.

In a resource rich planet like Zorya, it will cost Eldfell-Ashland Energy millions of credits if completely destroyed. Not to mention that it would look worse for humanity if they completely failed to protect their investments and workers abroad.

And if you don't know what Eldfell-Ashland Energy is, it is one of humanity's most important corporations and industries. And by getting the refinery destroyed does have consequences to a major industry like that one. Not that it will matter in ME3, but that's through gameplay purposes.

Modifié par Chewin3, 05 février 2012 - 05:47 .

[xentar]

ddv.rsa wrote...
The survival of a certain race

What? They make survival of a race dependent on playing playing optional paid dlc?

[King Minos]

Mesina2 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

The refinery is more important than Vido and a bunch of workers.

Why is that? If you save it, you get only 30k credits..so either they are greedy ****s or the refinery is largely unimportant.

And how is killing Vido better?

Solem is already leading Blue Suns.

One less dangerous scumbag in the galaxy.

[xentar]

Imperium Alpha wrote...
l sacrifice everything to stop the Reaper. :innocent:

What's the difference between you sacrificing everything and them destroying everything?

[Gh0st_00]

So the greybox does turn out to be important? Would someone mind sending me a PM about which race it effects?

[CroGamer002]

King Minos wrote...

One less dangerous scumbag in the galaxy.

You're fine letting 30 civilians to die just for 1 scumbag to die, whose death will only scratch the surface of galaxy crime?

[andy6915]

Foxtrot 212 wrote...
Oh no no no no no, Paragons will get LOTS of penalties this game, the particular choice im thinking of is a tough one and it affects from a Paragon choice in ME 1 

Edit: But paragons dont go rushing to make a Renegade, Renegades are near in the same boat.

Sounds to me like paragon or renegade, ME3 isn't going to be all rainbows and sunshine. prepare for things to kick you in the ass no matter what choices you made.

[Kronner]

Mesina2 wrote...

First of all, Blue Suns DIDN'T used their hostages! It's Zaeed to be blamed for that. His recklessness put those hostages in danger.
Blue Suns were just escaping from that fire and ignored their hostages, who were working as their slaves and Zaeed killed them by putting refinery to fire.

Also, if everyone dies, WHO SENDS THAT MESSAGE?!

As far as Blue Suns know, it was all an accident that killed everyone.

Shepard survives in any case. Word gets around.

Killing that PoS Vido is worth it IMHO, and that's why I do it. I couldn't care less about some workers or the refinery. Vido dies - one less bastard = universe is a better place.

Chewin3 wrote...

In a resource rich planet like Zorya, it will cost Eldfell-Ashland Energy millions of credits if completely destroyed. Not to mention that it would look worse for humanity if they completely failed to protect their investments and workers abroad.

And if you don't know what Eldfell-Ashland Energy is, it is one of humanity's most important corporations and industries. And by getting the refinery destroyed does have consequences to a major industry like that one. Not that it will matter in ME3, but that's through gameplay purposes.

And since they are so big, it will not set them back significantly. The refinery can be repaired, workers replaced. Vido is dead and the cost is X million credits. That's a good deal IMHO. 

Obviously we do not have all the information to properly calculate cost/profit for both options, but if Vido dies, I am a happy guy.

[King Minos]

Mesina2 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

One less dangerous scumbag in the galaxy.

You're fine letting 30 civilians to die just for 1 scumbag to die, whose death will only scratch the surface of galaxy crime?

Yeah. The way Zaeed described him 'a sadistic bastard who shoots his victims and leaves them to rot', then yeah, i would leave the civilians to die. Let's not forget he used the workers as slave labour. So yeah, i think the bastard deserves to be immolated.

I won't hesitate to remove people like him.

[Chewin]

Kronner wrote...
And since they are so big, it will not set them back significantly. The refinery can be repaired, workers replaced. Vido is dead and the cost is X million credits. That's a good deal IMHO. 

Obviously we do not have all the information to properly calculate cost/profit for both options, but if Vido dies, I am a happy guy.

I really can't see how getting one man, who has no major role what so ever, that can easily be replaced, could possibly be more important than saving a refinery. And "big" industry doesn't equal rich. And even then, it will cost millions to repair it, millions that could be invested somewhere else.

But this choice is irrelevant, since I doubt BW every even thought about this scenario. Or maybe they did and didn't care.

Modifié par Chewin3, 05 février 2012 - 06:13 .

[CroGamer002]

King Minos wrote...

Yeah. The way Zaeed described him 'a sadistic bastard who shoots his victims and leaves them to rot', then yeah, i would leave the civilians to die. Let's not forget he used the workers as slave labour. So yeah, i think the bastard deserves to be immolated.

I won't hesitate to remove people like him.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure those 30 civilians really appreciate what you did.

[Kronner]

Chewin3 wrote...

I really can't see how getting one man, who has no major role what so ever, that can easily be replaced, could possibly be more important than saving a refinery. And "big" industry doesn't equal rich. And even then, it will cost millions to repair it, millions that could be invested somewhere else.

But this choice is irrelevant, since I doubt BW every even thought about this scenario. Or maybe they did and didn't care.

Vido commanded respect and authority. Replacing someone like him is not easy, and is always preceded by a bloodbath. We'll see. I hope it does have some consequences in ME3 though (does not matter if negative or positive tbh).

Modifié par Kronner, 05 février 2012 - 06:16 .