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[incinerator950]

DayusMakhina wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

NovinhaShepard wrote...

I admit electrocuting the Batarian before recruiting archangel has a direct tactical impact on the mission, but I classify it as senseless violence. It's not going to be the same for everyone, but catching the guy unawares and zapping him to death felt too cold. =/

It was never clear to me whether or not he was dead or just unconscious. I always assumed he was just unconscious. Maybe that's why I never really had a problem with doing it, well that and the tactical advantage is hard to resist.

That and the fact he's a mercenary attempting to kill Archangel. I understand why some people wouldn't like using the Renegade interrupts in the game, but when it comes to doing things to mercenaries i'm really at a loss at how anyone could feel bad about that. Merc's are guns for hire and spend almost all their time trying to kill you, so the renegade interrupts are just you beating them to the punch.

Not all mercs fit that stereotype.  However, they are trying to kill you.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

I admit electrocuting the Batarian before recruiting archangel has a direct tactical impact on the mission, but I classify it as senseless violence. It's not going to be the same for everyone, but catching the guy unawares and zapping him to death felt too cold. =/

The reason I wouldn't see that one out of place is b/c I (emphasis on the "I" haha) play renegade to where I don't do things just to be an ass or what have you, but to gain an advantage in a situation or to take the most efficient action to complete the mission. No dicking around just to be nice. lol

Incapacitating or killing that merc does a couple of things...

1.) "One less to worry about" ... after finding out that you aren't with the merc teams he would undoubtedly join his comrades in trying to kll you. 

2.) He is repairing a gunship that the mercs have been using to attack Archangel. Knowing they may find you out and use that on you would make me want to take action to make sure that doesn't happen. So you take him out, not letting him finish repairs hoping to take the gunship out of the equation or at the very least cripple it. 

[ratzerman]

I play mostly paragon, but electrocuting that Batarian is one of the renegade interrupts I take, mostly for the reasons Reed laid out. That gunship is going to be used against you in combat in the very near future, and disabling it gives you a distinct tactical advantage. The same goes for blowing up that gas pipe on Tuchanka. Although, I wish I was given the option of talking those Krogan down. :-(

[Eyerock]

SHepard's "discrimination against the poor" speech at the citadel in ME2 is mighty silly IMHO, though funny as hell.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Eyerock wrote...

SHepard's "discrimination against the poor" speech at the citadel in ME2 is mighty silly IMHO, though funny as hell.

lol, I can agree with this one!

I mean, sure he's getting an advantage he wouldn't have by going renegade, but what is he reeeeally gaining? Access to souvenirs? lol dumb.

[Han Shot First]

4) leaving Zaeed behind on his loyalty mission
5) electrocuting the Batarian on Garrus' recruitment mission

Both of these are justified, in my opinion.

In his blind desire for vengeance Zaeed intentionally sets the whole complex on fire, knowing that in addition to Vido, it will be killing the innocent workers. If Shepard went the paragon route early on and told Zaeed that the workers have priority over Vido, Zaeed just disobeyed orders. With that in mind, Shepard would be justified in leaving Zaeed behind to burn in the inferno he started. I personally didn't go that route, and instead saved him with a warning that he damned well better follow orders. But I can understand people that left him behind.

The electrocution of the Batarian was also justified. He was a member of the Blue Suns, working on an armored vehicle that was going to be used to get at Garrus. (and you, once you got to him)
He also tells you that he plans the attacks against Archangel, so he is in somewhat of a leadership role among the mercs. Sure, he is civil enough in conversation with you. But only because he thinks you are a fellow merc that is there to kill Archangel. If he knew who Shepard really was, he wouldn't have hesitated for an instant in trying to kill him. Killing that Batarian is the smart move. It removes one of the merc leaders coordinating the assaults and guarantees that the armored gunship won't be up and running.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 05 février 2012 - 08:04 .

[didymos1120]

Badpie wrote...

The Zaeed mission always ends the same way for me. I always save the people, paragon or renegade. To me it's just so stupid to let them die. Let innocent lives be lost for the sake of some personal vendetta? I don't need the guy to be loyal to me. I just need him to do the hell what I say dammit. Not gonna cry over him not liking me, particularly catering to his vengeful desire causes so many meaningless deaths. Zaeed still does his job even if he's not "loyal."  It always feels dirty to me.  Like I have to "suck up" to Zaeed by letting him do whatever he wants.  Screw that.  haha

Not to mention he lied to you about the objective in the first place. You went there thinking you were going to liberate the refinery, not destroy it and burn all the employees to death.  Don't know why people don't care about that more.

[BlueMagitek]

didymos1120 wrote...

Not to mention he lied to you about the objective in the first place. You went there thinking you were going to liberate the refinery, not destroy it and burn all the employees to death.  Don't know why people don't care about that more.

Not really; the job *is* to save the refinery.  His objective is to kill Vido.  At the beginning these two objectives are one in the same.  Only when Vido has you cornered and in an unfavorable position does Zaeed save  yo' flank and the two objectives are now exclusive.

[didymos1120]

No, he just straight-up lies. There's really no getting around it. He tells you one thing on Omega, and another after you're already committed to a fight.

[IllusiveMike]

didymos1120 wrote...

No, he just straight-up lies. There's really no getting around it. He tells you one thing on Omega, and another after you're already committed to a fight.

This.  For a while, his LM mission made me straight up hate Zaeed.  I got over it and now I just punch him and paragon intimidate him into submission, but man, what a jerk.

[Hunter of Legends]

IllusiveMike wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

No, he just straight-up lies. There's really no getting around it. He tells you one thing on Omega, and another after you're already committed to a fight.

This.  For a while, his LM mission made me straight up hate Zaeed.  I got over it and now I just punch him and paragon intimidate him into submission, but man, what a jerk.

Really?

I think he's quite awesome if a bit rough around the edges.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

IllusiveMike wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

No, he just straight-up lies. There's really no getting around it. He tells you one thing on Omega, and another after you're already committed to a fight.

This.  For a while, his LM mission made me straight up hate Zaeed.  I got over it and now I just punch him and paragon intimidate him into submission, but man, what a jerk.

Really?

I think he's quite awesome if a bit rough around the edges.

Zaeed is indeed awesome. 

[IllusiveMike]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

IllusiveMike wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

No, he just straight-up lies. There's really no getting around it. He tells you one thing on Omega, and another after you're already committed to a fight.

This.  For a while, his LM mission made me straight up hate Zaeed.  I got over it and now I just punch him and paragon intimidate him into submission, but man, what a jerk.

Really?

I think he's quite awesome if a bit rough around the edges.

Zaeed is indeed awesome. 

There's no doubt Zaeed is a badass, I've a played a game with him as a squd-member in nearly every mission, it's just he handled his LM so badly, that I found it hard to empathize with him for a bit.

For the reasons mentioned above and the fact that he had already waited 20 years to get his revenge, his unwillingness to keep people from burning to death was small and petty.  I don't buy all that "this could be our last chance" bull.  He is rolling with Shepard, the guy who picks fights with Reapers.  We can track down Vedo some other time.

[Dean_the_Young]

Of course, I have a hard time holding lying against others considering the number of bold-faced ones Shepard does throughout the games.

[mybudgee]

Man, this storyline needs a cool Batarian. There's gotta be a few. The anti-batarain sentiment is running rampant

[robarcool]

1) Killing Shiala

2) Choosing Morinth

3) Leaving Zaeed on his LM (He is trapped under the bar when he follows Shepard's orders to save the workers. At least the guy deserves a chance. If Vido is killed, Zaeed isn't trapped and by not saving the colonists, Shepard is equally blamable as Zaeed)

4) Killing Feros colonists

5) Handing Legion to cerberus

Modifié par robarcool, 05 février 2012 - 09:05 .

[Hunter of Legends]

mybudgee wrote...

Man, this storyline needs a cool Batarian. There's gotta be a few. The anti-batarain sentiment is running rampant

Yeah...about that in ME3...

[IllusiveMike]

mybudgee wrote...

Man, this storyline needs a cool Batarian. There's gotta be a few. The anti-batarain sentiment is running rampant

Quite a few Sheps are from Torfan, ya know, the colony where all of Shep's friends and parents were killed by Batarians when he was around 16.  ME1 sowed the seed of anit-batarian sentiment well. (+ Balak in BDtS)

[Dean_the_Young]

mybudgee wrote...

Man, this storyline needs a cool Batarian. There's gotta be a few. The anti-batarain sentiment is running rampant

I once rolled a Batarian operative for an RPG. He was too paranoid to NOT believe in the Reapers, and realized the Hegemony would need help in order to survive.

He was something of a highly unofficial, internally contested outreach to Citadel Space.

[Tazzmission]

1. reporter punch

2. punching merch out the window during thanes recruitment

3. killing the batarian bar tender on omega after he poisons you.

4. punching kellum in chair ( during thanes lm)

5. having jack shoot elrush

[Han Shot First]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Zaeed is indeed awesome. 

Zaeed is a cool character, but he does lie to Shepard and disobeys orders. But that is also part of what makes him a interesting character. Not everyone should say, "how high" when Shepard tells them to jump, and it is fun to put Shepard in a situation where he has to deal with someone that just defied him. In fact, I hope Shepard is faced with a situation or two like that in Mass Effect 3 as well.

Quite a few Sheps are from Torfan  Mindoir ya know, the colony where all of Shep's friends and parents were killed by Batarians when he was around 16.  ME1 sowed the seed of anit-batarian sentiment well. (+ Balak in BDtS)

....which we be part of the fun if we had a Batarian squadmate in ME3 who is a 'good guy' but isn't too crazy about humans either. The back and forth banter between him and Shepard could be epic, particularly if Shepard has a background where Batarians killed his family (Mindoir) or if Shepard fought the Batarians during the Skyllian Blitz. (War Hero or Ruthless backgrounds)

At the end they'd either come to have a grudging respect for one another, or they'd absolute despise each other. Either way it would be a fun ride.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 05 février 2012 - 09:13 .

[ReallyRue]

NovinhaShepard wrote...
4) leaving Zaeed behind on his loyalty mission

That's paragon Shep's option, not renegade's. The renegade option is to let the refinery burn, and Zaeed just comes with you automatically after killing Vido. There's no dramatic "I'm trapped under a thingy, help me out" from Zaeed like the is with the paragon option.