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[incinerator950]

Slidell505 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Killing Shiala
Punching Khalisah al-Jilani
Killing Rana Thanoptis
Refusing spectre reinstatement
"Let the council die"

Telling the council to blow their Spectre status out of their collective ass was awesome. I'm just sad there's not a No Gods No Masters route in ME3.

That's my favorite route to take, I don't like any of the factions.  One is clearly led by a megalomaniac, with an army of dim-wits and raiders.  The other is an offshoot of former America, who won't rape your family and kill you, they'll just steal your land and take your money.  A Beurocratic mess after their last glorious president died.  Another remnant of the old Fallouts thats withered away.  House is just...House.  I enjoy eating him.

[Cuddlezarro]

1)purposely killing the colonists on feros if you have enough grenades... (which I ran out of and ended up with a dead colony any ways >_<)
2)selling the "presidium" fish to the krogan (wat)
3)selling Legion
4)leaving David in the machine
5)choosing morinth over samara (she doesnt tell you she will have to kill you until AFTER the loyalty mission and you can still let her die in the SM)

also Im not seeing how electrocuting the Batarian merc who was working on the gun ship is a bad thing when hes trying to fix it to use it against you and you will be killing the mercs all of 2 seconds later when they realize you are there to save archangel

[mereck7980]

Mezza68 wrote...

my fave ones are:
Kicking the merc out the window on Thane's recruitment mission, the "how 'bout goodbye?" line is awesome.
The interrogation for Thane's loyalty mission - being the bad cop when I'm supposed to be the good cop haha.
Being a massive jerk to Ashley during the first mission of ME1 and then on the Normandy afterwards when she gives lip - telling her to become competent to avoid future occasions of abuse.
Prank calling the council in ME1 - contacting them and then disconnecting for lols.
Not really renegade but letting Kasumi die in the reactor explosion on the suicide mission - her 'aahh' grunt as she dies is quality.

^These two plus killing Vido Santiago in Zaeed's LM, shocking the batarian before reaching Garrus on Omega, and in one playthrough I killed Wrex...

[Jynthor]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

1)purposely killing the colonists on feros if you have enough grenades... (which I ran out of and ended up with a dead colony any ways >_<)
2)selling the "presidium" fish to the krogan (wat)
3)selling Legion
4)leaving David in the machine
5)choosing morinth over samara (she doesnt tell you she will have to kill you until AFTER the loyalty mission and you can still let her die in the SM)

also Im not seeing how electrocuting the Batarian merc who was working on the gun ship is a bad thing when hes trying to fix it to use it against you and you will be killing the mercs all of 2 seconds later when they realize you are there to save archangel

You know you can just punch them instead, right?

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Not interested to do these:

- Killing Wrex
- Not Giving the Admirals the evidence in Tali's LM (Renegade Speech)
- Saving Morinth
- Selling Legion to Cerberus
- Destroy the Heretic Base

[Collider]

Punching the reporter was just thuggish and dumb looking.

Leaving David in the machine knowing that the experiment had JUST failed spectacularly and risked the entire galaxy. There was no measure mentioned by Archer I remember to prevent this from happening again. Why would I leave him to do the same thing when it had just proven to be possibly do more harm than it could good?

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Collider wrote...

Punching the reporter was just thuggish and dumb looking.

Leaving David in the machine knowing that the experiment had JUST failed spectacularly and risked the entire galaxy. There was no measure mentioned by Archer I remember to prevent this from happening again. Why would I leave him to do the same thing when it had just proven to be possibly do more harm than it could good?

But ...

[HolyAvenger]

I think the only serious Renegade choice I've never been able to do, even on a really Renegade playthrough, is pick Morinth over Samara.

[clopin]

People are saying killing Cathka is weird for Renegade Shepard?

I do that in all my Paragon runs, and it's perfectly natural to me :/

[Dasher1010]

1. Killing Chorban
2. Being mean to Tali in both games
3. Wiping out Feros
4. Shooting Wrex to death
5. Shooting the looters in Omega

[Peer of the Empire]

1. Killing Feros colonists
2. Decking reporter

The only things that are out of place for my Renegade off the top of my head.  His other actions may transgress only in being unnecessarily rude

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 06 février 2012 - 05:35 .

[DxWill10]

exskeeny wrote...

I personally think that electrocuting the Batarian is the epitomy of the renegade actions. In one callous execution you instantly help your own cause.

[Spectre 007]

Bleachrude wrote...

wirelesstkd wrote...

I think, in general, a lot of the dialogue options really cross the line. It fine to be a dick when talking to a Batarian slaver, but when dealing with your own crew you shouldn't be so harsh. But the things that Shepard says to his crew should have him losing loyalty before he ever gets it. It's nuts.

I suppose action that really springs to mind for me as out of place is in convincing Harrot to crush Ken. "I shall crush the Quarian child." Hilarious line, but overly evil.

Interestingly, I think some of the actions shouldn't be "renegade" specifically. Electrocuting the Batarian on Garrus' recruitment is one of them. Doing that weakens the gunship for later battle. Another example is in the same mission when you have mech in your sights and you snipe it. How is that considered "renegade" ??? It's coming to kill you. And it's a mech. It you don't snipe it there, when the cut scene is over you sill have to kill it. Sheesh.

Another one is letting the krogan talk and talk and TALK.

You're going to have to kill him ANYWAY so why is it renegade to kill him earlier?

Lol... The reaction on Mordins face when the krogan says " We shal eat the salarians eggs as a delecasy"

[I-am-Biwinning]

The only major renegade choice I find out of place, is the option to kill the politician in thane's loyalty mission. Just flat out killing him with no legal repercussions, or anyone saying a word about it other than "that's not the choice I would have expected" seemed out of place to me. With most other things though, I think you can make a pretty reasonable case that a hard core renegade shepard might possibly have done it.

[Phate Phoenix]

5. Giving the Admirals the incriminating evidence against Tali's father
--Just... why? I mean, why? Unless you hated Quarians and Tali, or were crusading for the Geth. It does nothing to give them that data. I agree with a previous poster--this seems more like a Lawful Paragon choice than a Renegade one.

4. Killing the colonists on Feros
--I could understand a Renegade Shepard saying that, if the grenades don't work, shooting the colonists is an option. However, skipping it and going straight for slaughter?

3. Renegade option for Zaeed's mission (letting the people burn alive)
--I've had playthroughs where Zaeed wasn't loyal simply because I can't choose that option.

2. Morinth
--Why would Shepard choose a psycopathic murderer over the loyal and bound asari? I suppose I could understand if Shepard felt Samara would choose to kill her/him when all is said and done... But even then, why would Shepard try to mate with her?!

1. David stays in Cerberus
--There's Renegade, and then there's Evil. This is evil.

In fact, you could argue that's the problem with all of these. They aren't "Renegade", or Renegade as how I interpret it. They're evil, villainous choices. Which, if you're playing the character, awesome. But it does shoehorn renegades a bit. I always think back to ME's way of aligning R vs P: Renegade was "Intimidate" and "By your own book", Paragon was "Charm" and "By the law". In general, of course, and there were always off choices for both. But they've really stepped away from that distinction in ME2 (to its detriment, imho). It bugs me, and I hope it's altered in ME3.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Izhalezan wrote...

Giving Cerberus the base.
1. It's Reaper tech, there's no such thing as Reaper tech that doesn't indoctrinate the beejesus out of everyone.
2. Cerberus personnel have a lower survival rate than Star Trek red shirts.
Not a combo I can allow.

Ugh.....


And how do you plan to combat if if you don't plan to study it?
With hugs and kisses?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Collider wrote...

Punching the reporter was just thuggish and dumb looking.

Leaving David in the machine knowing that the experiment had JUST failed spectacularly and risked the entire galaxy. There was no measure mentioned by Archer I remember to prevent this from happening again. Why would I leave him to do the same thing when it had just proven to be possibly do more harm than it could good?

I wouldnt' say that. Ambitious experiments in unknown areas always carry risks.
But the experiment did prove that geth can be controlled. I'd say it improved our understanding of geth considerably.
Hence, it cannot be called a utter faliure.

[Arppis]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Collider wrote...

Punching the reporter was just thuggish and dumb looking.

Leaving David in the machine knowing that the experiment had JUST failed spectacularly and risked the entire galaxy. There was no measure mentioned by Archer I remember to prevent this from happening again. Why would I leave him to do the same thing when it had just proven to be possibly do more harm than it could good?

I wouldnt' say that. Ambitious experiments in unknown areas always carry risks.
But the experiment did prove that geth can be controlled. I'd say it improved our understanding of geth considerably.
Hence, it cannot be called a utter faliure.

Ally with the geth and problem goes away, letting you study them better.

[GodWood]

Phate Phoenix wrote...
5. Giving the Admirals the incriminating evidence against Tali's father
--Just... why? I mean, why? Unless you hated Quarians and Tali, or were crusading for the Geth. It does nothing to give them that data. I agree with a previous poster--this seems more like a Lawful Paragon choice than a Renegade one.

It proves Tali's innocence, gives the quarians all the information they need and gives a war-criminal the condemation he deserves.

2. Morinth
--Why would Shepard choose a psycopathic murderer over the loyal and bound asari? I suppose I could understand if Shepard felt Samara would choose to kill her/him when all is said and done... But even then, why would Shepard try to mate with her?!

Choosing Morinth is not a renegade choice.

1. David stays in Cerberus
--There's Renegade, and then there's Evil. This is evil.

You tell that to the mothers of the thousands of sons and daughters you could have saved by controlling the geth.

[Phate Phoenix]

GodWood wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...
5. Giving the Admirals the incriminating evidence against Tali's father
--Just... why? I mean, why? Unless you hated Quarians and Tali, or were crusading for the Geth. It does nothing to give them that data. I agree with a previous poster--this seems more like a Lawful Paragon choice than a Renegade one.

It proves Tali's innocence, gives the quarians all the information they need and gives a war-criminal the condemation he deserves.

Then that's not a Renegade action. That's Paragon, as I said. Or, rather, how I interpret Paragon and Renegade.

2. Morinth
--Why would Shepard choose a psycopathic murderer over the loyal and bound asari? I suppose I could understand if Shepard felt Samara would choose to kill her/him when all is said and done... But even then, why would Shepard try to mate with her?!

Choosing Morinth is not a renegade choice.

Point.  I think I forgot that, because everyone else was mentioning it. Although, don't you get a massive amount of Renegade points for it?

1. David stays in Cerberus
--There's Renegade, and then there's Evil. This is evil.

You tell that to the mothers of the thousands of sons and daughters you could have saved by controlling the geth.

I would.

[DarkSeraphym]

Several people have listed selling Legion as an out of place renegade choice, but I am not sure what is so out of place about that. Legion is a Geth, a member of a hostile synthetic species that Shepard has spent a lot of time destroying. Much like the Rachni and even to a certain extent the Krogan, it is an example of Shepard remaining reluctant to trust species that have been hostile in the past.

Likewise, I think it makes more sense when we reflect on just how important it is that Legion is a Geth. Assuming you choose nothing but renegade dialogue/choices, ReneShep does not like artificial intelligence anymore. Shepard has spent so much time since ME1 combatting it that he is not able to find any good in it. I remember working with an old guy that served in WW2 and because he served in the Pacific theater, he was so hostile to Asians today that we had to find someone else to serve them should one show up. Its a very common and very real problem for soldiers who are only able to determine between non-combatants and combatants based upon physical differences. I would imagine it works like that for Shepard.

Knowing this, I would expect ReneSheps response to be similar to Jacobs in "spacing it" because of what the Geth did at Eden Prime. However, at this point, Shepard knows nothing about the heretic/orthodoxy dichotomy either. To ReneShep, the Geth are an enemy that are all hostile and will have to be put down like the Rachni. We need to understand their technology of we plan to do that. Similarly, we still need to plan for war with the Reapers and I think it is safe to say that Geth cyberweapons are second to none in the galaxy. As such, Shepard sells Legion to study it.

Personally, I think this decision is very in-line with established precedent for Renegade principles.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 06 février 2012 - 03:33 .

[AlanC9]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I think the only serious Renegade choice I've never been able to do, even on a really Renegade playthrough, is pick Morinth over Samara.

This is the hardest one for me, too. It's not like Samara is underpowered, so I don't see any real motivation to do it.

[Team Value]

Spectre 007 wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

wirelesstkd wrote...

I think, in general, a lot of the dialogue options really cross the line. It fine to be a dick when talking to a Batarian slaver, but when dealing with your own crew you shouldn't be so harsh. But the things that Shepard says to his crew should have him losing loyalty before he ever gets it. It's nuts.

I suppose action that really springs to mind for me as out of place is in convincing Harrot to crush Ken. "I shall crush the Quarian child." Hilarious line, but overly evil.

Interestingly, I think some of the actions shouldn't be "renegade" specifically. Electrocuting the Batarian on Garrus' recruitment is one of them. Doing that weakens the gunship for later battle. Another example is in the same mission when you have mech in your sights and you snipe it. How is that considered "renegade" ??? It's coming to kill you. And it's a mech. It you don't snipe it there, when the cut scene is over you sill have to kill it. Sheesh.

Another one is letting the krogan talk and talk and TALK.

You're going to have to kill him ANYWAY so why is it renegade to kill him earlier?

Lol... The reaction on Mordins face when the krogan says " We shal eat the salarians eggs as a delecasy"

I always wait for this to happen before shooting the tank--best of both worlds.

[Kia Purity]

For me Rejecting Mordin would be it. The hell?
Ticked me off as my Shepard is a paragon character but she doesn't think sleeping with everyone is smart when saving the universe is IMPORTANT. (Didn't stop her from accidentally falling in love with Kaidan :X)

[VolusvsReaper]

Not letting the Batarian's leave during Moridan's recruiting mission after you promised to...coooooooooooold blooooooded