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[RogueState]

I'm just finishing off my second renedouche Shep for ME3 and did the Noveria mission last night. I was all psyched up to acid cleanse her but when it came to the decision I just couldn't do it, I'm such a wuss!

Even in a virtual world I can't bring myself to commit genocide! The Queen is an innocent victim who has committed no crimes and is begging for her life, I don't understand how anyone could kill her!

[GodWood]

Not everyone is as selfish as you.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

I spared her in ME1 to have full story content, nothing more. SPOILERS BELOW!!! Mark text below on your own risk.

Wheter she survives or not, the Reapers will have a surrogate Rachnii queen (when u kill one ) and she will serve the reapers. The same goes for original queen. She will help Shepard at first, but when comes to choice to save grunt or rachnii queen, everyone should save grunt. If you decide to save her, she will help you build the crucible, but she'll attack as soon as harby gives her an order to attack. This will delay the crucible building process and the rachnii will fight as reaper allies till the end.

[Lotion Soronarr]

One one hand you're taking a big chance, given how easily indoctrinated the Rachni are.
On another, you're hoping for an ally. But the question remains how usefull of an ally they could possibly be in the short time-span.


At the end of the day, their help or hinderance would be a drop in the ocean. But since we desperately need any help - and any extra hinderance won't change the extend of how f**** the universe is - I generally opt to spare her.

[ShadowAussie]

I want allies to fight the husks of all races. espically the rachni!!!

[Drake-Shepard]

I refuse to metagame with my cannon shep....

at the time i didn't know the reapers were actually coming for definite and how bad they were. Noveria was the first planet i visited.
And the damn bugs screwed me over.....the geth were ok to fight for me but i was ill prepared for these rachni soldiers, my pesky infiltrator pistol was not helping and my troops were not at high enough level and didn't have liara for crowd control.

When i finally came to make that decision i was so annoyed and terrified (starship troopers propaganda) I had to kill them once and for all! Plus wrex was my right hand man.

[DJBare]

Lordy12 wrote...
Even in a virtual world I can't bring myself to commit genocide! The Queen is an innocent victim who has committed no crimes and is begging for her life, I don't understand how anyone could kill her!

For the same reason people kill things like spiders, fear and ignorance.

[Wynne]

I love the Rachni queen. I've imported saves from others that had killed her, but when I get there and look at her... I just can't. It's wrong to kill her. Knowing that her entire species' survival depends on not becoming indoctrinated, I have to think she'll be a damned sight more careful than her ancestors were--certainly more careful than Cerberus or the Alliance--and if she's not corrupted, her children won't be either.

[Poison_Berrie]

slimgrin wrote...

I toasted her in most playthroughs. She and her kind are bugs, deadly ones. Not on the level of humanoids. She got a good acid cleansing.

What measure is a non-human or Specieism is alright as long as their appearance and society isn't too much like ours.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

One one hand you're taking a big chance, given how easily indoctrinated all species are.

fixed it for you

[ddv.rsa]

DJBare wrote...

Lordy12 wrote...
Even in a virtual world I can't bring myself to commit genocide! The Queen is an innocent victim who has committed no crimes and is begging for her life, I don't understand how anyone could kill her!

For the same reason people kill things like spiders, fear and ignorance.

Genocide, yeah right.  The Rachni are just bugs. Dangerous, murderous bugs. I know that for the sake of the final mission it will be better to have the Rachni and a cured Krogan on your side. But even still I refuse to allow either, because between the two of them they'd become a bigger a threat than the Reapers.

The same is true of the Geth. Who knows what they'll do with that Dyson shpere? Better to help the Quarians get rid of them.

[DJBare]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Genocide, yeah right.  The Rachni are just bugs. Dangerous, murderous bugs. I know that for the sake of the final mission it will be better to have the Rachni and a cured Krogan on your side. But even still I refuse to allow either, because between the two of them they'd become a bigger a threat than the Reapers.

The same is true of the Geth. Who knows what they'll do with that Dyson shpere? Better to help the Quarians get rid of them.

Yup, you cover both the fear and ignorance category, I should add I'm in the ignorance category, I've no idea whether the queen was lying or not, so in that regard I can also be put in the naivity category for letting her live.

[Heimdall]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

One one hand you're taking a big chance, given how easily indoctrinated the Rachni are.

No more so than any other species, unless I missed something.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 07 février 2012 - 12:20 .

[ddv.rsa]

DJBare wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

Genocide, yeah right.  The Rachni are just bugs. Dangerous, murderous bugs. I know that for the sake of the final mission it will be better to have the Rachni and a cured Krogan on your side. But even still I refuse to allow either, because between the two of them they'd become a bigger a threat than the Reapers.

The same is true of the Geth. Who knows what they'll do with that Dyson shpere? Better to help the Quarians get rid of them.

Yup, you cover both the fear and ignorance category, I should add I'm in the ignorance category, I've no idea whether the queen was lying or not, so in that regard I can also be put in the naivity category for letting her live.

It's fact, not fear and ignorance. Can you really not see how radically the Rachni and Krogan would alter the balance of power in the galaxy? I don't think that would be a change for the better. What's the point if the cure is worse than the disease?

[ddv.rsa]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

One one hand you're taking a big chance, given how easily indoctrinated the Rachni are.

No more so than any other species, unless I missed something.

If a Rachni queen is indoctrinated, so are all of her followers. In other words the Reapers just need to indoctrinate one creature. With any other race indoctrination must be done individually.

[nightcobra]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

One one hand you're taking a big chance, given how easily indoctrinated the Rachni are.

No more so than any other species, unless I missed something.

If a Rachni queen is indoctrinated, so are all of her followers. In other words the Reapers just need to indoctrinate one creature. With any other race indoctrination must be done individually.

hopefully we'll get to learn more about the indocrination process and how to reverse it (the keepers were working for the reapers like the collectors until they were somehow modified/evolved and broken free of the reapers influence). then we could break the hold of the indocrination of the rachni queen should she fall to their mind control.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 07 février 2012 - 12:32 .

[RogueState]

DJBare wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

Genocide, yeah right.  The Rachni are just bugs. Dangerous, murderous bugs. I know that for the sake of the final mission it will be better to have the Rachni and a cured Krogan on your side. But even still I refuse to allow either, because between the two of them they'd become a bigger a threat than the Reapers.

The same is true of the Geth. Who knows what they'll do with that Dyson shpere? Better to help the Quarians get rid of them.

Yup, you cover both the fear and ignorance category, I should add I'm in the ignorance category, I've no idea whether the queen was lying or not, so in that regard I can also be put in the naivity category for letting her live.

Indeed they do!

Ummmmm.. Just bugs, eh!

Sentient Bugs capable of Space flight and who feel fear and remorse, who no doubt have hopes, dreams and aspirations and who want to survive to rebuild their species!

The Queen shows clear signs of regret, understanding and reasoning as to why her people needed to be stopped in the Rachni Wars but yeah, your right, there just bugs that need to be squashed!

Maybe she is lying and intends to unlease hell on the galaxy and that may well place me into the naive category too but to assume that she is "just a bug" who needs crushing is more than a little paranoid and remarkably ignorant!

Modifié par Lordy12, 07 février 2012 - 03:48 .

[Mr. C]

A thought occured. Why do so many people say killing her is genocide? It's closer to murder.

Modifié par Mr. C, 07 février 2012 - 03:50 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Mr. C wrote...

A thought occured. Why do so many people say killing her is genocide? It's closer to murder.

She's preggo with like 10 billion eggs.

[HTTP 404]

burn baby burn.

[Dragoonlordz]

ddv.rsa wrote...

DJBare wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

Genocide, yeah right.  The Rachni are just bugs. Dangerous, murderous bugs. I know that for the sake of the final mission it will be better to have the Rachni and a cured Krogan on your side. But even still I refuse to allow either, because between the two of them they'd become a bigger a threat than the Reapers.

The same is true of the Geth. Who knows what they'll do with that Dyson shpere? Better to help the Quarians get rid of them.

Yup, you cover both the fear and ignorance category, I should add I'm in the ignorance category, I've no idea whether the queen was lying or not, so in that regard I can also be put in the naivity category for letting her live.

It's fact, not fear and ignorance. Can you really not see how radically the Rachni and Krogan would alter the balance of power in the galaxy? I don't think that would be a change for the better. What's the point if the cure is worse than the disease?

Keep that mindset up and you'll be the last person alive left in the galaxy as turn on each other incase they at some point in time might become a threat to you. Your not at that point withholding a cure, your actually butchering and murdering other species which makes you the threat to the others in the galaxy because your playing judge, jury and executioner or more like god deciding what species deserves to live in the galaxy. Your no better than Sovereign or the Reapers in that instance.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 07 février 2012 - 04:14 .

[Legiongethinator]

My shepards saviour of the citadel council and rachni

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Mr. C wrote...

A thought occured. Why do so many people say killing her is genocide? It's closer to murder.

She's preggo with like 10 billion eggs.

Like the though Guy with Trillions of sperms, dedicated and ready for the Eggs!

So if you kill the guy, you've committed genocide

[Mr. C]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Mr. C wrote...

A thought occured. Why do so many people say killing her is genocide? It's closer to murder.

She's preggo with like 10 billion eggs.

Like the though Guy with Trillions of sperms, dedicated and ready for the Eggs!

So if you kill the guy, you've committed genocide

Was trying not to go there, but okay

[ddv.rsa]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Keep that mindset up and you'll be the last person alive left in the galaxy as turn on each other incase they at some point in time might become a threat to you. Your not at that point withholding a cure, your actually butchering and murdering other species which makes you the threat to the others in the galaxy because your playing judge, jury and executioner or more like god deciding what species deserves to live in the galaxy. Your no better than Sovereign or the Reapers in that instance.

How do you go from siding with the quarians and refusing to cure the genophage, to butchering and murdering?

And it's no more playing God than what the Council did to the Krogan and Rachni to begin with.

[Dragoonlordz]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Keep that mindset up and you'll be the last person alive left in the galaxy as turn on each other incase they at some point in time might become a threat to you. Your not at that point withholding a cure, your actually butchering and murdering other species which makes you the threat to the others in the galaxy because your playing judge, jury and executioner or more like god deciding what species deserves to live in the galaxy. Your no better than Sovereign or the Reapers in that instance.

How do you go from siding with the quarians and refusing to cure the genophage, to butchering and murdering?

And it's no more playing God than what the Council did to the Krogan and Rachni to begin with.

I did not side with Quarians, the Geth once gained sentience should of been freed from slavery and allowed to leave if so chose, they defended themselves and their aggression towards organics was due to being butchered and genocide against them once gained independance and freedom from slavery (they were attacked first and not other way around). I also thought council was wrong in what they did specifically in how they did it. They did not kill just the one's who were attacking them they also have been murdering members of the species for generations each and every time a Krogan baby dies pre-birth. I do not condemn a species for past actions the current generation had nothing to do with. I do not agree with what Council did. I also do not eliminate an entire speices for something the current generation have not done but instead just "might" do far off into the future just like every single other speices "might" do in future.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 07 février 2012 - 04:58 .