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[Klijpope]

OperativeX wrote...

When was it mentioned that the Rachni were indoctrinated? All the Rachni queen said was that her races songs (voices/thoughts) were discolored (tainted/mind-controlled).

It was my understanding that this was Cerberus' doing and not a Reaper. After all, the rogue rachni's were found in a lab - not on a Reaper vessel.

The discolouration was during the Rachni War, 1000(?) years before Cerberus even existed. It was the reason they attacked - the inference is that Sovereign was behind it, mucking around with the young species because the keepers weren't working properly.

[Joker is my pilot]

 I can't doom a entire race of their past sins, I don't elimimate races because they are evil or others.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

I wanted to do an Ender Wiggin. That's about it.

[ZehnWaters]

Klijpope wrote...

OperativeX wrote...

When was it mentioned that the Rachni were indoctrinated? All the Rachni queen said was that her races songs (voices/thoughts) were discolored (tainted/mind-controlled).

It was my understanding that this was Cerberus' doing and not a Reaper. After all, the rogue rachni's were found in a lab - not on a Reaper vessel.

The discolouration was during the Rachni War, 1000(?) years before Cerberus even existed. It was the reason they attacked - the inference is that Sovereign was behind it, mucking around with the young species because the keepers weren't working properly.

Technically we don't know what caused the 'discolouration'.  Sovereign might not have even been involved.

[Nizzemancer]

xnoxiousx wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

My Shepard is a soldier not a murderer.

My shepard is for greater good not what makes him sleep well at night.

A soldier have to live with himself for the rest of his life.

Genocide is not in my job-description.

[Medhia Nox]

I let her go - just to ****** of Saphra Deden...

No, wait

- I let her go because I found her explanation compelling

- because she was not around during the Rachni War, and I don't make it a habit of holding beings accountable for what their ancestors did (otherwise I would kill all Britains for the Revolutionary War - all Germans for WW 1 and 2 - etc. etc. etc) 

- because one queen would not be able to breed fast enough. Hostility would lead to discovery - as would a population explosion. Discovery leads to either extermination or sanctions - sanctions lead to the Council "dealing" with the new Rachni population (and I would hope extermination isn't the first course of action)

I find it to be utterly ludicrous - paranoid - and alarmist propaganda to support just another childish act of video game cruelty to claim that the Rachni would somehow be able to threaten Citadel space like they did when they had an entire sector of space and a full population - plus ships - etc.

- She is willing to sacrifice her children, which she admits are lost. I find this compelling evidence toward her sincerity given the fact that you can offer to 'try' to save them and she simply says: "No, it wouldn't work."

Yes, I'm aware that's so you can go shoot more Rachni - but taken as RP, it would be tactically idiotic for her to let Shepard destroy the remaining Rachni if he's willing to try to save them.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 07 février 2012 - 10:07 .

[Aumata]

killed the queen because their was no option to let the council handle it. So rather than let a threat that should be contain go I killed it as the other option was letting her go and that wasn't an option for me.

[Nizzemancer]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Trusting something which almost destroyed the galaxy centuries prior on it's word while you're essentially holding a gun to it's head isn't in my nature.

Hitler and the German people would like a word with you...

[Medhia Nox]

@Nizzermancer - they did it like THREE times. Germanic Tribes destroyed Western Civilization. World War 1 - and then 2.

Man - we should put a German woman in a breeding tube and then brain wash her children into serving us in our "War on Terror" because we're edgy pragmatists who are willing to "get the job done" for the "greater good" . 

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 07 février 2012 - 10:16 .

[MegaBadExample]

Let's see. I've been running around shooting up dangerous miniatures of these things… Yes, I’m going to kill it, and pray it never breeds ever, ever again.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 07 février 2012 - 10:23 .

[Ice Cold J]

5/6 Ice Cold J Shepards let her go.

Either I want to preserve life or have strong allies... only my xenophobic Shepard drowned her with acid.

[Nizzemancer]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Nizzermancer - they did it like THREE times. Germanic Tribes destroyed Western Civilization. World War 1 - and then 2.

Man - we should put a German woman in a breeding tube and then brain wash her children into serving us in our "War on Terror" because we're edgy pragmatists who are willing to "get the job done" for the "greater good" . 

If we went around wiping out everyone who could be grouped with any form of bad apple this planet would be pretty darn void of human life.

[MegaBadExample]

Ice Cold J wrote...

5/6 Ice Cold J Shepards let her go.

Either I want to preserve life or have strong allies... only my xenophobic Shepard drowned her with acid.

Wrex told me to do it.

[legion999]

Let her go. Genocide isn't something I would ever be able to do no matter the risks.

[Soccer FeverMan]

Did a playthrough a couple days ago brought Wrex and he pushed me through to kill her, got some playthroughs where she lives, but ultimately i want her dead.

[Heimdall]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Oh hurray, more bad analogies.

Yeah, it's totally a responsible thing to let the dangerous biohazard loose.

I sure hope for the sake of all the people you recklessly endangered that you were right.

Biohazard?  And you're critciziing other people's analogies...

[M-Taylor]

wizardryforever wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Seeing a mother who has had her children taken away from her and turned crazy, locked in a cold cage too small for her to turn around in, ask for freedom is too much for me to say no to. She knew the errors of her ancestors and she was the one who suffered for it. Instead of turning to hate, she gained wisdom from her experience. I can't kill her.

Mostly this for me too.

She was not responsible for the actions of her ancestors.  Hell, her ancestors weren't responsible for the actions of her ancestors.  She has done absolutely nothing to deserve being killed.  If anything, she's a victim.  She has had her children taken from her, had information ripped from her mind, and still doesn't hate those who did it to her.  I can't help but feel that those who kill her can't look past the Rachni wars and her appearance, and kill her solely based on that.

And the idea of killing someone because they could get indoctrinated is asinine.  Why don't we kill Joker?  He could get indoctrinated!  Why not Garrus, or Tali, or Liara?  Why not assassinate the president of the Alliance?  What about that random bystander?  Indoctrination is no special danger for the Rachni instead of anyone else.

Because they are all capable of individual thought. I dislike killing her, but in my canon Shepard I do kill her. The fact that should the Queen become indoctrinated, the entire race become indoctrinated too is a massive risk you're taking. Hive-mind species have a habit of being lethal.

If Rachni could invidivually think on their own, I would honestly spare them. But the fact that the whole race is virtually dictated by one sole individual is not enough for me to think 'Oh what the hell, let's free her'.

[Poison_Berrie]

Galkan wrote...

She's a disgusting bug that reproduces rapidly. Death was the only option for that failed species.

Considering the Council needed to uplift the Krogan's to fight them, I don't think they were such big failures.

Mr. C wrote...

So basically, if someone kills a young woman, it's genocide because she had the capability to produce offspring?

It is if she's the last one of her species.

Saphra Deden wrote...

I killed her because I (my Shepard) didn't know anything about her beyond the fact that her species was dangerous. After all, she was locked up in there with heavy security for a reason. He couldn't just release her into the wild on her word alone.

I do think that if they had you in a research facility, against your will, they wouldn't just put you in a unlocked room amongst their personel without security measures. Especially if you were twice their size and you getting out would endager their operation...
That might just be me, though. I'm crazy like that. 

[DJBare]

There are species out in the galaxy tapping into our communications and reading this thread.
Alien species 1, hmm, we will wait a few centuries for them to grow up.
Alien species 2, is that world bomb ready yet?, we need to get rid of these humans before they start spreading across the galaxy.

Modifié par DJBare, 07 février 2012 - 11:41 .

[Heimdall]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Biohazard?  And you're critciziing other people's analogies...

I'm not making any analogy.

A biohazard is exactly what she is. That's what Peak 15 is for. That's why she was in a tank rigged to pour acid on her in the event she was able to escape.

She is an intelligent, lethal, and adaptable organism capable of giving birth to many young in a short time frame.

The rachni queen is a biohazard.

If you go by the basic defintion of a biohazard as a something that is dangerous and organic, then I suppose you could call it a biohazard.

Along with every other species

The Rachni queen is not a primative organism with the sole drive to kill living beings.  Shepard has no reason to assume the queen will follow in the footsteps of her forebearers.  The queen was not even hatched when they were destroyed.  If she is intelligent, as you admit, then she should realize that no matter how many offspring she produces there would only be a matter of time before the population becomes something she can't hide away from the galaxy and any war would devestate her and her children as well.  A war that would gain her nothing and probably end the same way the last one was ended.

Why would the queen go to war?  This is like destroying the Krogan because they threatened the galaxy at one time in the past.  Are Krogans biohazards?  They're intelligent, lethal, and adaptable organisms capable of giving birth to many young in a short time frame.

[Masterphailure]

I kept her alive, simply because my Shepard could not condemn a race to death. The Queen could have tried to attack me with the Matriarch, but explained her predicament instead. If she does decide to betray me, she's going to regret it regardless.

[DJBare]

Saphra Deden wrote...
A biohazard is exactly what she is. That's what Peak 15 is for. That's why she was in a tank rigged to pour acid on her in the event she was able to escape.

She is an intelligent, lethal, and adaptable organism capable of giving birth to many young in a short time frame.

The rachni queen is a biohazard.

Humans are intelligent, lethal and adaptable organism capable of giving birth to many young, I'd say that makes us a biohazard.