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[Wulfram]

During the Rachni wars, the Queens did not negotiate, they fought to the death. The fact that this Queen talks to you shows clearly that the situation has changed. And thus that killing her would not be justified.

[DJBare]

Saphra Deden wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Humans are intelligent, lethal and adaptable organism capable of giving birth to many young, I'd say that makes us a biohazard.

I'll dump two healthy humans (male and female) on an island and leave them there for two years.

I will do the same with two mice (male and female).

In two years which species do you think will proliferated more?

Rachni breed like rabbits, worse, actually.

You don't know the queen's motives and you can't keep an eye on her. It is irresponsible to let her go.

When I made the post I knew you would choose that anology, she is "one" queen, human females number in the billions, yeah sure not all females are going to breed, but it evens out.

[EnvyXx]

Wulfram wrote...

During the Rachni wars, the Queens did not negotiate, they fought to the death. The fact that this Queen talks to you shows clearly that the situation has changed. And thus that killing her would not be justified.

This.
Besides, its clear that she meant good if you got her message in Mass Effect 2.

[Dave of Canada]

The Rachni invaded the galaxy, the Council tried diplomacy and the diplomats were slaughtered. The Rachni Queen has full control of all insects from the hive and their memory is genetic, memories being passed down from queen to queen. The Rachni Queen has her mother's memory, so she knows how other species feel about her.

Around the corner, however, some new species which wasn't there shows up: Plea innocence, it wasn't there for the Rachni Wars. It didn't experience the horrors my mother and her sisters has commited.

... also the whole "THEY WERE INDOCTRINATED" makes no sense unless you do Noveria last, as all you know about indoctrination is that Saren does it.

Saren.

The guy who wasn't born during the Rachni Wars.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 07 février 2012 - 11:58 .

[DJBare]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Either way you can't be sure what this queen is planning.

Saphra, I cannot be sure what you are planning, think about that for a moment.

[Heimdall]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

If you go by the basic defintion of a biohazard as a something that is dangerous and organic, then I suppose you could call it a biohazard.

Yes and that's what I'm doing. You should to. No, you could not call any other species a biohazard like that unless they were infected with a disease.

A human can't escape into the forest and on its own breed an army of off-spring to conquer your city.

Not the same at all.

  Two Krogan could.  By your logic, female Krogan are biohazards.

Lord Aesir wrote...

The Rachni queen is not a primative organism with the sole drive to kill living beings.

I never said she was a simple organism. If she were just an animal this choice would be a lot easier for most people. The problem is you don't know what her motives are. You can't read her mind.

Neither can you, and there is no rational reason for her to do what you think she'll do.

Lord Aesir wrote...

Why would the queen go to war?

To protect her species from a hostile galaxy that tried to wipe them out.

That would be a highly irrational response and likely have the opposite effect.  Starting a war is what got the Rachni into this situation in the first place.

[Heimdall]

Dave of Canada wrote...

The Rachni invaded the galaxy, the Council tried diplomacy and the diplomats were slaughtered. The Rachni Queen has full control of all insects from the hive and their memory is genetic, memories being passed down from queen to queen. The Rachni Queen has her mother's memory, so she knows how other species feel about her.

Around the corner, however, some new species which wasn't there shows up: Plea innocence, it wasn't there for the Rachni Wars. It didn't experience the horrors my mother and her sisters has commited.

... also the whole "THEY WERE INDOCTRINATED" makes no sense unless you do Noveria last, as all you know about indoctrination is that Saren does it.

Saren.

The guy who wasn't born during the Rachni Wars.

Exactly how much ancestral memory does the queen have anyway.?

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Dave of Canada wrote...

The Rachni invaded the galaxy, the Council tried diplomacy and the diplomats were slaughtered. The Rachni Queen has full control of all insects from the hive and their memory is genetic, memories being passed down from queen to queen. The Rachni Queen has her mother's memory, so she knows how other species feel about her.

Around the corner, however, some new species which wasn't there shows up: Plea innocence, it wasn't there for the Rachni Wars. It didn't experience the horrors my mother and her sisters has commited.

... also the whole "THEY WERE INDOCTRINATED" makes no sense unless you do Noveria last, as all you know about indoctrination is that Saren does it.

Saren.

The guy who wasn't born during the Rachni Wars.

Did you even play Mass Effect 1, let alone any of the Mass Effect games...

The reapers indoctrinate, Sovereign was the one doing the indoctrination for the longest time, a reaper which has been floating around doing who knows what for a very very long time.

[adrewan]

well i kill her and and save her because i through it was the right thing to do

Modifié par adrewan, 08 février 2012 - 12:02 .

[Xewaka]

I saved her because it gave blue points and the game doesn't allow for proper roleplaying anyway.

[Dave of Canada]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Did you even play Mass Effect 1, let alone any of the Mass Effect games...

The reapers indoctrinate, Sovereign was the one doing the indoctrination for the longest time, a reaper which has been floating around doing who knows what for a very very long time.

... also the whole "THEY WERE INDOCTRINATED" makes no sense unless you do Noveria last, as all you know about indoctrination is that Saren does it.

[Heimdall]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

The Rachni invaded the galaxy, the Council tried diplomacy and the diplomats were slaughtered. The Rachni Queen has full control of all insects from the hive and their memory is genetic, memories being passed down from queen to queen. The Rachni Queen has her mother's memory, so she knows how other species feel about her.

Around the corner, however, some new species which wasn't there shows up: Plea innocence, it wasn't there for the Rachni Wars. It didn't experience the horrors my mother and her sisters has commited.

... also the whole "THEY WERE INDOCTRINATED" makes no sense unless you do Noveria last, as all you know about indoctrination is that Saren does it.

Saren.

The guy who wasn't born during the Rachni Wars.

Did you even play Mass Effect 1, let alone any of the Mass Effect games...

The reapers indoctrinate, Sovereign was the one doing the indoctrination for the longest time, a reaper which has been floating around doing who knows what for a very very long time.

He's saying that at the time Shepard is on Noveria, Shepard does not know for certain that it is the Reapers that indoctrinate and not Saren.

Though given the unusual nature of indoctrination and the unlikelihood of a normal species miraculously finding it, it wouldn't be a stretch for Shepard to believe it was a tool Saren got from the Reapers.

[DJBare]

As already been pointed out, Saren was NOT the one doing the indoctrinating!

[Heimdall]

DJBare wrote...

As already been pointed out, Saren was NOT the one doing the indoctrinating!

That isn't anyone's point.

[General User]

The Rachni Queen we met in ME1 was a relic, an echo of a past from which the rest of the galaxy had long since moved beyond.   Sometimes it's best just to let the dead stay buried.

On the other hand, I'm not going to kill someone who has never done me or mine any wrong.

I let her go.

Modifié par General User, 08 février 2012 - 12:11 .

[Heimdall]

Saphra Deden wrote...

If Sovereign indoctrinated the rachni then who come he didn't know the location of the Mu relay?

Plot-hole!

Not at all.

Saren needed an Asari to get the information form the rachni mind.  Sovereign had no Asari when the Rachni were indoctrinated.

[Almostfaceman]

Saphra Deden wrote...

If Sovereign indoctrinated the rachni then who come he didn't know the location of the Mu relay?

Plot-hole!

Not really there are Reaper indoctrination devices left all over the place in the galaxy, you can run into a couple in ME1 and ME2. Direct Sovereign involvement is not required.

[Dave of Canada]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

If Sovereign indoctrinated the rachni then who come he didn't know the location of the Mu relay?

Plot-hole!

Not really there are Reaper indoctrination devices left all over the place in the galaxy, you can run into a couple in ME1 and ME2. Direct Sovereign involvement is not required.

Reapers know the thoughts and memories of their indoctrinated slaves (whether or not it was the Reaper doing the indoctrinating doesn't matter), they can even suggest things to them without actually forcing them to do anything. Explained in great detail in Retribution.