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[wizardryforever]

Saphra Deden wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Sovereign was complacent.

Oh I see. The complex artifical A.I. that was millions of years old and had no need of emotions was complacent.

Do you mean this as a serious explanation or are you just covering for Bioware screwing up?

You do realize that compacency has nothing to do with emotions, right?  And that the Reapers had continued the cycle many many times before, so that it was old hat to them?  And the theory that the Reapers have no emotion is put to the lie considering many of the lines that the Reapers use. 

And yes, it is a serious explanation.  If it has an actual flaw other than "I don't buy it because I'd rather believe that Bioware sucks" then lets hear it.  Otherwise, don't be snide.

[wizardryforever]

Saphra Deden wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

You do realize that compacency has nothing to do with emotions, right?

Why would Sovereign be complacent? They cycle had already been screwed up, remember?

By the time he knew it had been screwed up, it was too late to get the information from the Rachni.  Up to that point, he had no reason to care about the Mu relay, and assumed that the cycle would continue without a hitch.  For some reason people like to think that the Rachni indoctrination was motivated by Sovereign trying to get them to open the Citadel, but there's no evidence of that.  The Rachni could have been indoctrinated for any number of reasons.  Perhaps they were intended to be shock troops once to invasion began, and those pesky salarians screwed up that plan when they found the Rachni.  Maybe they were deliberately pitted against the Council races because Sovereign didn't like the direction of the Rachni development (under-reliance on ME fields), and he wanted to weed them out, letting the Council races develop "properly."  Or hell, maybe it wasn't Sovereign at all, just a random indoctrination artifact that the Rachni found.  There's insufficient evidence to really support any of these claims, but they're all plausible given what we know about how the Reapers operate.

PS: Why do you put so much space in your posts?  Just curious. 

[masseffect5]

I saved her because i dont think she will be indoctrinated because she could sick her babies on the reapers and dont you think they could do some damge let alone the queen herself

[Ice Cold J]

wizardryforever wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

5/6 Ice Cold J Shepards let her go.

Either I want to preserve life or have strong allies... only my xenophobic Shepard drowned her with acid.

Wrex told me to do it.

Yah... he gets RIP**** if you let her go.

Too bad, cause Wrex is one of the best squaddies to have on Noveria for his abilities and his incredibly memorable and humorous lines throughout the level.

I actually have a renegade playthrough where Liara convinced my Shepard to spare the queen.  Liara implores you to spare the queen, while Wrex practically demands that you kill it.  I usually take Liara for that mission, simply because of the interaction with Benezia.  Biotics in general are very useful on Noveria, since the Rachni are completely immune to tech attacks except Neural Shock.

I agree... Liara and Wrex would be the best combination to have as far as dialogue goes.

But, the only time I could justify that would be if I were and engineer or infiltrator.

My engineer playthrough I did this AFTER Virmire where I had Ashley kill Wrex and my Infiltrator did this BEFORE going to Therum to get Liara.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

The ability to sing doesn't make Rachni intelligent. Qui Gon will agree with this
Saphra said the right word: Biohazard

[Icinix]

For the hope of LI.

Be still my beating insectoid heart!

[Tokion]

I let her go because I know Paragon will always have more contents at the end. The rule of thumb for ME: You lose more if you kill more.

Hopefully this doesn't happen in ME3.

[ZehnWaters]

Saphra Deden wrote...
A random indoctrination artifact is possible, but I think it's unlikeyl. The only example of such an artifact we are aware of is Object Rho, and it seemed to be a one of a kind. All the other indoctrination devices just transformed people into mindless zombies.

Uh...The Illusive Man?  Saren's brother?  Neither of them were mindless zombies.  Both came into contact with a Reaper artifact.  And if they can control them so precisely, what in the world was Saren's brother's plan?  Sometime's their motives are just weird.

[Lotion Soronarr]

wizardryforever wrote...
The Rachni could have been indoctrinated for any number of reasons.  Perhaps they were intended to be shock troops once to invasion began, and those pesky salarians screwed up that plan when they found the Rachni.

Indoctrinated Rachni would be under complete Sovereign control.
So there's no way they would attack on their own.

[Lotion Soronarr]

ZehnWaters wrote...

Uh...The Illusive Man?  Saren's brother?  Neither of them were mindless zombies.  Both came into contact with a Reaper artifact.  And if they can control them so precisely, what in the world was Saren's brother's plan?  Sometime's their motives are just weird.

Indoctrination can be subtle... and sometimes it can take time.

[Nizzemancer]

Dave of Canada wrote...

The Rachni invaded the galaxy, the Council tried diplomacy and the diplomats were slaughtered. The Rachni Queen has full control of all insects from the hive and their memory is genetic, memories being passed down from queen to queen. The Rachni Queen has her mother's memory, so she knows how other species feel about her.

Around the corner, however, some new species which wasn't there shows up: Plea innocence, it wasn't there for the Rachni Wars. It didn't experience the horrors my mother and her sisters has commited.

... also the whole "THEY WERE INDOCTRINATED" makes no sense unless you do Noveria last, as all you know about indoctrination is that Saren does it.

Saren.

The guy who wasn't born during the Rachni Wars.

The council didn't try diplomacy, they couldn't even contact the rachni who lived deep underground on a toxic pit of a planet.

edit: Too many idiotic kids in this thread...must...resist...urge....to...bang...head...into...wall.

Modifié par Nizzemancer, 08 février 2012 - 04:36 .

[ianvillan]

I let her live, I dont believe i have the right to genocide an enitire species. I also do not trust that the Geth wont misplace a decimal point and decide that all organic species should be exterminated.

Having the Rachni to help counter the Geth should they ever attack us may be a wise decision.

[ddv.rsa]

cgrimm54 wrote...

I have a feeling this choice is going to bite me in the ass HARD in ME3.

You don't have much to worry about, trust me.

[wizardryforever]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...
The Rachni could have been indoctrinated for any number of reasons.  Perhaps they were intended to be shock troops once to invasion began, and those pesky salarians screwed up that plan when they found the Rachni.

Indoctrinated Rachni would be under complete Sovereign control.
So there's no way they would attack on their own.

I'm not saying they attacked on their own.  I'm saying Sovereign realized the jig was up, and simply told the Rachni to attack.  Meh, it was just one theory.

[wizardryforever]

Saphra Deden wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

By the time he knew it had been screwed up, it was too late to get the information from the Rachni.

No, no, it can't have been. If it hadn't been screwed up yet by then he would have just told the keepers to open the relay. No need to fight a proxy war using the rachni. You'd also think that locating an astray relay would be important regardless.

A random indoctrination artifact is possible, but I think it's unlikeyl. The only example of such an artifact we are aware of is Object Rho, and it seemed to be a one of a kind. All the other indoctrination devices just transformed people into mindless zombies.

Well like I suggested, perhaps Sovereign was "weeding the garden" with the Rachni wars.  Realizing that the Rachni were developing along a path that diverged from standard mass effect technology, he prodded them into attacking the Council races.  This could have had the dual purpose of testing the Council races to see if they were worthy or ready for harvesting.  If the Council races won, then he would have gotten rid of the Rachni's divergent ideas.  And if the Rachni won, he'd know that the Council races weren't worth harvesting anyway.

Either way, he wouldn't need to know where the Mu relay was at that moment, since it was irrelevant at the time.  He'd have far better resources for finding it when the Reaper fleet arrived, and since there was no pressing reason to find it, he put it on the back-burner.

wizardforever wrote...

PS: Why do you put so much space in your posts?  Just curious. 

I didn't know I... was?

Yeah, you put at least four lines of extra space either between paragraphs or at the end of your posts that I quoted earlier.  Just wondering why you did that.

[WizenSlinky0]

Saphra Deden wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

You do realize that compacency has nothing to do with emotions, right?

Why would Sovereign be complacent? They cycle had already been screwed up, remember?

Screwed up by the protheans. He had no reason to believe the current races would pose much of a problem, unless Shepard backhanded Saren.

[Yakko77]

All my paragade players let her go in the hopes that in ME2 or ME3 they repay me for giving their race a second chance and help me fight the Reapers.

IIRC, the Rachni Wars from the start were caused by the Reapers (Sovereign) manipulation. Knowing that, I'd like to think they'd want some payback for their own reasons let alone out of a sense of debt to Shepard.

[Yakko77]

Ice Cold J wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

5/6 Ice Cold J Shepards let her go.

Either I want to preserve life or have strong allies... only my xenophobic Shepard drowned her with acid.

Wrex told me to do it.

Yah... he gets RIP**** if you let her go.

Too bad, cause Wrex is one of the best squaddies to have on Noveria for his abilities and his incredibly memorable and humorous lines throughout the level.

Wrex was with me on my recent playthrough and he just says something along the lines of "Whatever, my people will just kill them all again when the time comes."

[Sora Shepherd]

ZehnWaters wrote...

Uh...The Illusive Man?  Saren's brother?  Neither of them were mindless zombies.  Both came into contact with a Reaper artifact.  And if they can control them so precisely, what in the world was Saren's brother's plan?  Sometime's their motives are just weird.

Desolas sought for Turian supremacy, he believed the Reaper artifact was an evolution device.

[groundhogie]

I killed her with my "canon" Shepard, a paragade, and the one I used for my first ME2 playthrough and will use for the first of ME3.

It may be a decision that come's back to bite me in the ass, (maybe literally... with big pincer-fang thingies) but it will be fun to finally see the consequences of the choice.

Modifié par groundhogie, 08 février 2012 - 10:55 .

[Stalker]

The Rachni are just a race like any other. That's why I saved her.
The Queen explained it like they have been controlled around the time of the Rachni war, probably by the Reapers. They are no hostile monsters.

And the talk to the Rachni-Asari in ME2 makes me think my choice was correct. "We will sing with you when the time comes...", or something along those lines. Hopefully I get my promised support in ME3...