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[corporal doody]

saved her cuz the idea of genocide didnt sit well with paragon Shep... the rachni queen's story about her ancestors made sense....and second chances are okay in my book

[ZehnWaters]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

May even motivate the revocation of the Genophage, which could mean only good things.

Yes.  Increasing the birth rate of a race of tribal 1-ton lizards that glorify violence by a factor of 1000 can only lead to good things.  Zero chance of a negative outcome with that one.

Yes, THANK YOU!  This is why I think Paragon Shep in ME2 is a moron.  The Salarian's could've wiped the Krogan out.  But like they said, letting them breed indefinitely lead to countless deaths.  It's not like they just did it willy-nilly.  They heavily crunched numbers over and over again.  Even my Paragon Sheps destroy the data (I have 1 run where I don't).

As far as the Rachni Queen, I let her go.  She didn't start the war, and who's to say if they'll start another conflict.  I don't think she's indoctrinated in the new game, the image we see in the preview doesn't mean anything, the Brood Warriors were lit-up like blue Christmas trees too.

[Kelwing]

I always let the queen go. Lot more Rachni out in the galaxy than this one queen. Rather have her and her offspring as allies and that's how I looked at it at the time.

[CaptainZaysh]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

That isn't "wet work." Wet work is killing someone for something THEY did, not for something their grandparents did.

Well I've never worked as an assassin, so I can't really speak with authority on this topic, but my military experience makes me suspect that the guys tasked with that kind of work don't shoot people because they did something wrong.  You get given a target and told to kill it, and you compartmentalise your doubts and go kill a fellow sentient being who probably doesn't really deserve it because society can't function without the cleaners.

[CaptainZaysh]

Kelwing wrote...

I always let the queen go. Lot more Rachni out in the galaxy than this one queen. Rather have her and her offspring as allies and that's how I looked at it at the time.

Hmm!  What led you to believe that?

[CaptainZaysh]

ZehnWaters wrote...

As far as the Rachni Queen, I let her go.  She didn't start the war, and who's to say if they'll start another conflict. 

Well they did kind of do it before.  Remember that their response to meeting an exploration vessel filled with those cool salarian guys was to invade the rest of the galaxy.

[CaptainZaysh]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I'm saying you're viewing it as a legal issue, of who is allowed to make a decision like that, and I'm saying that it's not a legal issue, it's an ethical/moral issue

My feeling is that if a free society has granted you the legal authority to do something, it's probably morally and ethically okay to do it.  I guess you have your own ethical/moral system that you elevate over societal ethics & morals?  Is it religious or something you invented yourself?

[ObserverStatus]

She's going to be dead on all of my playthroughs. I let her go most of the time in ME1, but I get the feeling she's a mistake I'll have to fix in ME3.

[Collider]

I had her killed.
If somehow the only two options are to set her free or kill her, the latter is the safest choice.

It is only technically genocide. It's ultimately only killing one rachni.
May still make you feel bad, but that's an easier price to pay than another rachni war that Shepard would be partially responsible for.

[CrimsonNephilim]

Kelwing wrote...

I always let the queen go. Lot more Rachni out in the galaxy than this one queen. Rather have her and her offspring as allies and that's how I looked at it at the time.

[Xeranx]

I think even if there was an option to leave it up to the Council to decide, I think I would have chosen to let her go. I find the idea of someone deciding whether someone lives or dies to be unconscionable. Extend that to the fate of a race and I'm thinking I'm not a genocidal maniac. So I let the Rachni go every time.

[Aaleel]

I let her live. It comes down to whether or not I believe the species should be wiped out for sins committed by generations before, and whether I believe the species itself is inherently evil, and the answer to both for my Shepards was no.

My Shepards aren't committing genocide unless they're absolutely sure. Once it's done it's done. It's the same as the philosophy that it's better to let 100 guilty people go than convict one innocent person, or in this eradicate an entire species.

Modifié par Aaleel, 06 février 2012 - 04:19 .

[Mr. C]

I would find the Queen's story about the "sour note" a bit more believable if she wasn't in a cage with acid hoses attached. "The war wasn't even our fault! We were being mind controlled! Now let me out? I promise we'll behave!" Nice try. I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill em all! D:<

[Razith]

My Shepard couldn't bring himself to kill the last reproduction chance for a species. Besides we still have Krogan and thankfully potential cure for the Genophage as we later found. There was a lot of interesting things to learn about the species though. Honestly curiosity was the biggest factor for my Shepard. Excited to hear they have ships.

Modifié par Razith, 06 février 2012 - 04:20 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Xeranx wrote...

 I find the idea of someone deciding whether someone lives or dies to be unconscionable.  

Really?  But how do you function as a SPECTRE - hell, even as a normal soldier - if you can't cut away from these feelings in order to shoot, stab, crush, burn, suffocate, decapitate, batter and otherwise eliminate society's foes?

[ZehnWaters]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

ZehnWaters wrote...
As far as the Rachni Queen, I let her go.  She didn't start the war, and who's to say if they'll start another conflict. 

Well they did kind of do it before.  Remember that their response to meeting an exploration vessel filled with those cool salarian guys was to invade the rest of the galaxy.

Assuming they weren't already indoctrinated at that point.

[Izhalezan]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

 I find the idea of someone deciding whether someone lives or dies to be unconscionable.  

Really?  But how do you function as a SPECTRE - hell, even as a normal soldier - if you can't cut away from these feelings in order to shoot, stab, crush, burn, suffocate, decapitate, batter and otherwise eliminate society's foes?

Because attacking Eden Prime had NO impact on Saren's career.

Although, as we saw, the turian councilor will yell at you no matter what choice you make so it's somewhat moot.

Modifié par Izhalezan, 06 février 2012 - 04:31 .

[Collider]

And, in ME, you were never instructed to kill her. You were instructed to see what Benezia was doing

You are tasked to protect the galaxy, though. I would think that's more important than feeling good.

Modifié par Collider, 06 février 2012 - 04:28 .

[Mr. C]

Zaysh, you speak as if we were ordered to act against the rachni. Shepard was on Noveria to intercept Benezia; running into the rachni was a total surprise on his/her part. Although I do see where you're coming from, and mostly agree.

Side note: Why wasn't there an option to simply walk away? A third party opinion, council or Alliance, would have been welcome.

[Mr. C]

ZehnWaters wrote..

Assuming they weren't already indoctrinated at that point.

Were they ever? Were they ever really?

[Collider]

Mr. C wrote...

Zaysh, you speak as if we were ordered to act against the rachni. Shepard was on Noveria to intercept Benezia; running into the rachni was a total surprise on his/her part. Although I do see where you're coming from, and mostly agree.

Side note: Why wasn't there an option to simply walk away? A third party opinion, council or Alliance, would have been welcome.

I imagine because that would make the choice too easy. Having the council choose is obviously most reasonable.

[Megaton_Hope]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Megaton_Hope wrote...

May even motivate the revocation of the Genophage, which could mean only good things.

Yes.  Increasing the birth rate of a race of tribal 1-ton lizards that glorify violence by a factor of 1000 can only lead to good things.  Zero chance of a negative outcome with that one.

The Krogans can't reasonably be judged by their present culture. Yes, they did nuke their homeworld until it glowed in the distant past (what were YOUR ancestors doing in 1000 AD?), but they are driven by two irresistible forces - a fundamental need to sustain their race with inter-tribal warfare to acquire and protect fertile females, and a thousand years of fatalism inspired by their intentional infection with an engineered disease. Many Krogans we meet are violent, but then, approximately half of the people we meet from all the races are actively trying to kill us at the time - the Krogans are just especially well-adapted to it, being naturally hardy. Every Asari could strip the flesh from your bones with a thought; the Turians might neuter your genes if they think it's in their best interests. The Salarians are...kind of annoying. Everybody's got their faults.

Scheisse, human biotics are almost uniformly dangerous psychopaths with astonishing mental powers. Should we kill 'em all in case they give us trouble later?