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[whykikyouwhy]

I didn't say the ending to the game was a comic - I said that the other products released will add to the larger narrative. The comic may or may not provide additional lore, that has yet to be seen. The latest book contributes to the lore and the overall picture of how things *may* be in parts of Thedas post act 3.

It's not required that a player purchase and peruse any of the additional offerings to enjoy the core game, but they could expand the universe a bit. So too, the various writers and devs could be working on other projects simply because they are enthusiastic about all things Dragon Age.

Why DA2 was rushed (and *where* it was rushed) was not exclusively a matter of writing or mechanics. There are numerous variables to consider when putting out a game product and the desire to put out a solid product does not always fall in line with schedule constraints.

[bluewolv1970]

bleetman wrote...

Because he's a writer. And being a writer, he's probably going to write things from time to time.

...

and my point is that perhaps when a game is rushed and by his OWN admission act three 3 was not as originally intended or act 2 actually, maybe writing to improve the game first would be appropriate...

[bluewolv1970]

JasonPogo wrote...

DiTHmaphacks wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

Yeah, I have no problem with potatoes and green beans on the side as long as the steak is properly cooked. I'd like to see a little more emphasis on the main course and a little less on the appetizers.

So YOU whine at the Cook that is making the steak that the other Cook that is making the green beans is bad?The people working on graphics/gameplay/systems/backgrounds have absolutely nothing to do with the anime or the books.

You propably need 1-2 writers from the team that is making the game to make those so its np.

I think you are missing the point.  Bioware as a companie is spending time and money on these other ventures when they cheeped out on DA2.

THANK YOU!!

[LadyJaneGrey]

They want to give  us forumites something new to grouse about in between game releases.  They're givers that way.  

[Wulfram]

The writing has to be finalised quite a while before the release, since you've got the VO to record.

[bluewolv1970]

the point is rather releasing books and anime to "further the story" how about a dlc that cleans up act 3 and the ending...why is the comic Gaider is writing NOT a DLC - I mean it is not like DA2 had any type of ending and act 3, storywise was a mess and poorly implemented.

[Wulfram]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

the point is rather releasing books and anime to "further the story" how about a dlc that cleans up act 3 and the ending...why is the comic Gaider is writing NOT a DLC - I mean it is not like DA2 had any type of ending and act 3, storywise was a mess and poorly implemented.

Because presumably the limiting factor on producing DLCs likely isn't Mr Gaider's ability to come up with a story, but the ability of Bioware to turn this into a game of appropriate quality.

I'd also say that there are many stories which can't really be told well in a conventional CRPG.  Ones which require the protagonist be a particular character who makes particular choices, or perhaps ones which don't involve lots of fighting.  If the only way you interact with a world is through the eyes of an CRPG protagonist, you're view will be limited, even distorted.

edit:  And the other mediums allow Mr Gaider to not have to fit the story to various peoples canon.  No DLC or game could include Wynne, Shale or Alistair in a major role, because they might be dead.

Modifié par Wulfram, 06 février 2012 - 04:18 .

[DreamwareStudio]

Shevy_001 wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

Yeah, I have no problem with potatoes and green beans on the side as long as the steak is properly cooked. I'd like to see a little more emphasis on the main course and a little less on the appetizers.

I have to second this.

And I third it.

[Yrkoon]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

They want to give  us forumites something new to grouse about in between game releases.  They're givers that way.  

I thought that was what DLC was for.

[Eragondragonrider]

They are bust with books and stuff because the A button of Awesomeness, recycled level, exploding bodies and Swooping made people think DA2 was a dungeon crawling action game not a RPG, that and the fact they think people care more about the DA lore then the Warden and Hawke.

[Vincent Laww]

So in summary we need to pay more money just to get a resolution to the events in Dragon age 2. Oh, whoops let's leave the ending out so we can milk it.

[Atakuma]

Just FYI, no one at bioware is actually working on the anime.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

They want to milk what's left of their franchises, in addition to hiring people like Jessica Chobot to appeal to perverts and websites like IGN.

[Wulfram]

Atakuma wrote...

Just FYI, no one at bioware is actually working on the anime.

Hopefully there's at least some sort of fact/lore checking going on, so that it doesn't turn out like Mass Effect: Deception.

[Atakuma]

Wulfram wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Just FYI, no one at bioware is actually working on the anime.

Hopefully there's at least some sort of fact/lore checking going on, so that it doesn't turn out like Mass Effect: Deception.

Hopefully

[Saile]

I don't see the problem... Writing comics/anime/etc. and getting through bugfixes are done by two completely different departments, and possibly even smaller teams within the departments. If their workload isn't too heavy to take on extra projects, then why shouldn't they?

There isn't really much they can do about DA2 being a bit of a fiasco after they've already shipped the game, so they might as well fill in some blanks whilst working on the next installment, which hopefully will be a better game than DA2. If they're taking their time with DA3 amd D:C, these 'distractions' might actually prove to be useful and give them a different perspective on things which in turn might make the next game more interesting.

edit: just read the thing about changing the ending of act 3, for example- I think this is a bit difficult to do, too. A lot of people sold their game or won't have the opportunity to download the replacement for act 3 if this were the case. Not to mention that there would have to be a team dedicated to doing this, extra VA costs, etc. Personally, I'd rather see them put effort into DA3 and tie up loose ends this way, rather than spending money on trying to fix an already sunken ship. >_>

Modifié par Sailers, 06 février 2012 - 06:17 .

[Maria Caliban]

This thread is based on a deep lack of understanding.

The vast majority of people who make the game have nothing to do with the tie-in media. The anime is by a completely different company. The comic and books are both written by Mr. Gaider, who is a single person in a group of a couple hundred.

[Davillo]

I ain't buying **** if it's not an Xpack.

[bluewolv1970]

Maria Caliban wrote...

This thread is based on a deep lack of understanding.

The vast majority of people who make the game have nothing to do with the tie-in media. The anime is by a completely different company. The comic and books are both written by Mr. Gaider, who is a single person in a group of a couple hundred.

This thread is not based on a a complete lack of understanding, I just am not a Bioware sycophant - my point is that it leaves a bad taste in ones mouth when the writers as well as the dragon age team more or less abandon a poorly written game (act 3 anyway) with no resolution and yet it is full steam ahead with all this other garbage. It is like the kid at christmas who puts part of the model plane together then moves on without finishing.  Futhermore when you see that the LEAD writer of the series is writing a comic while doing interviews stating how rushed the game was and talking about how certain elements of the story were poorly implemented that also is kind of annoying. In regards to the anime, I understand that the dragon age team are not making it, but there is Mike Laidlow front and center promoting it, while he cannot even acknowledge what crap a lot of DA2 is, let alone fix any of it...

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 06 février 2012 - 11:08 .

[bluewolv1970]

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 06 février 2012 - 10:52 .

[Atakuma]

We get it, you didn't like DA2. Bioware isn't just going to remake the game just to appease you.

[bluewolv1970]

Atakuma wrote...

We get it, you didn't like DA2. Bioware isn't just going to remake the game just to appease you.

It is not a question that I did not like it - I actually enjoyed the companions and most of act 1 and 2 - and honestly - I am hardly in the minority in being disatisfied with the game, but what I really take exception with is all this energy going in all these other directions (largely on the marketing and writing end) - while the core product is sub par, unfinished, and should be, one would think, their primary concern...

[devSin]

David has said in the past that the novels are separate. He has to write them on his own time (even though they stick their logo on the front cover, undeservedly).

I don't know if the comic is in the same boat. And the anime has nothing really to do with BioWare.

Mike Laidlaw is responsible for DA2. This influences what he will or will not communicate. He is not responsible for the anime, or the book, or the comic, no more than he is responsible for the DA-themed t-shirts they sell.

You can argue that corporate is turning the team leads into franchise pimps, but it's not coming at the expense of the game. If BioWare chooses to rush a game again, they will do it because they think they can get away with it, not because everybody was busy on all the tie-in material.

[Atakuma]

^read above

Modifié par Atakuma, 06 février 2012 - 11:21 .