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[Blacklash93]

I don't see why people are arguing if it's worth it from a sales and statistical standpoint. Around 20% sounds like a good amount of people to me.

[What a Succulent Ass]

That's because it is.

[leggywillow]

scyphozoa wrote...

Lets get to the real reason of why a Bioware protagonist should be a defined character with a defined gender and name. Because this whole "last name" thing, Shepard and Hawke, is terrible. This isn't a sports team, people shouldn't be calling me by my last name. And I don't gain anything, not a single ounce of benefit or immersion from writing in my characters first name and then never using it again.

Stop with the half-assed defined protagonist, either full-ass or no-ass. I'd like a defined protagonist because it means the devs can better tailor the game, characters, dialog and story to that defined protagonist, rather than designing for an undefined protagonist.

I just... what?

I've heard this argument before and I just don't get it.  "Oh man, the last name is defined, we may as well define the first name too.  And gender and class, while we're at it.  Morality too."  It seems like a pretty extreme reaction, and it makes no damn sense at all.

[Bleachrude]

scyphozoa wrote...

Lets get to the real reason of why a Bioware protagonist should be a defined character with a defined gender and name. Because this whole "last name" thing, Shepard and Hawke, is terrible. This isn't a sports team, people shouldn't be calling me by my last name. And I don't gain anything, not a single ounce of benefit or immersion from writing in my characters first name and then never using it again.

 

Er...I went to school in the Caribbean and non family members always refer to last name...I think it is part of the British system we grew up with but just like the Harry Potter books, teachers and other students would refer to students by their last name...

Only time I think people called a person by their first name growing up who wasn't a family member was if said eprson was their significant other..

(It was kind of jarring moving back to Canada and hearing everyone refer to me by my first name on the 1st day of school...)

[string3r]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

So, Tetris, baby, how many accounts have you made, exactly?

Seriously, though, I don't think I would have ever gotten into Mass Effect as much as I did if it weren't for FemShep.  You don't see many female protagonists like her.

Indeed, bland static characters with no personality are a rarity these days.

[incinerator950]

Bleachrude wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

Lets get to the real reason of why a Bioware protagonist should be a defined character with a defined gender and name. Because this whole "last name" thing, Shepard and Hawke, is terrible. This isn't a sports team, people shouldn't be calling me by my last name. And I don't gain anything, not a single ounce of benefit or immersion from writing in my characters first name and then never using it again.

 

Er...I went to school in the Caribbean and non family members always refer to last name...I think it is part of the British system we grew up with but just like the Harry Potter books, teachers and other students would refer to students by their last name...

Only time I think people called a person by their first name growing up who wasn't a family member was if said eprson was their significant other..

(It was kind of jarring moving back to Canada and hearing everyone refer to me by my first name on the 1st day of school...)

Back in the military, anyone junior rank was recognized by last name.  Above Petty officer, you're saying either by rank alone, rank and occasionally name.  Never hurts to say sir or Ma'am.

[incinerator950]

string3r wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

So, Tetris, baby, how many accounts have you made, exactly?

Seriously, though, I don't think I would have ever gotten into Mass Effect as much as I did if it weren't for FemShep.  You don't see many female protagonists like her.

Indeed, bland static characters with no personality are a rarity these days.

That was worded wrong.  I don't play Bioware games because of Female protagonists.

Modifié par incinerator950, 06 février 2012 - 08:12 .

[JakeGamer1]

Okay I wasn't going to post, but this is just getting out of hand. 80% of players played male. Yes, that statistic from *2010*, is correct. It is not, however, 80% play solely male. Nor is it 80% of total playthroughs are male. It is a non mutually exclusive check box. Ergo you either played male at one point or another or not. This means that 80% of the players played the male Shepard at least once. This also means that 20% of players never even bothered playing male Shepard. What it does not tell us is the % of players who played female Shepard. That number can be anything above 20% it is possible, however unlikely, that it is as high as 100%. Though given the number of griefers on this board that is unlikely. Most likely the number is somewhere around the 60% range at least. Female Shepard is quite common and enjoyable to many players. Frankly I enjoy both and find both their stories entertaining. The few changes between the genders make the story that much more interesting with scenes like hitting on Aria as a guy and threatening to shoot, and then kicking, Fade in the balls as a girl are both fun in their own respects.

Why I must ask are there so many people offended by the concept of a female main character is anyone's guess, but that is neither here nor there. Point is, yes, from a financial standpoint it was a wise decision to include her. Was it a wise decision to not advertise it until now, truly it depends on if some of the people who complain about female Shepard would have still bought it if they knew from the start of the choice. Granted I find that a real odd reason to not play a game, but I know I won't play games that focus on choice if I can't truly customize that choice so who knows.

Point is, don't worry about what others think or do and play the game however you want!

[What a Succulent Ass]

Defining Shepard (or Hawke, for that matter) would be a business mistake of astronomical proportions. According to the statistics that are being generously thrown about, customisation is one of Mass Effect's biggest selling points; axing it during the game's inception leaves you with a vaguely derivative protagonist in a vaguely derivative universe full of vaguely derivative characters. Even accepting the enormous assumption that the game would get a massive writing overhaul, what you are looking at is an entirely different game, and assuming that game would sell well is entirely speculation.

[Unbannable]

Arkitekt wrote...

This is a completely irrelevant criticism wrt to the topic of the thread, so you are either confused or just trolling. The criticism of the blandness of Shepard is a very good one, and I do think Bioware took such criticism to heart. I have no clue if their efforts will be sufficient or not. However, it's a completely different discussion.

Yeah, now you bring up the fact that my concerns and the topic of this thread aren't the same......after two pages.

It's not crucial if you have not the purpose of letting the people choose with their own freedom the character they want to play with. It is crucial if you do. Again, the fact that other games are different is completely irrelevant to this game. This game is what it is. Criticise it for what it is, not for what others are. Mass Effect is not SuperMario, and that's fine.

Why do I even bother?  You do realize I was replying to an incorrect assertion from another member when I made that statement don't you? 

No ofcourse not, because you clearly have reading comprehension issues. 

Whom else should I speak for? Goddamit, people love the character creator. You don't, so you are irrelevant.

Perhaps you are a minimalist. I couldn't care less.

Yeah, you're the spokesperson for the "people."

And sometimes mysogenists appear like an exception to the rule.

Yeah, how dare I even notice that men and women have fundamental differences...  Seriously, how does your kind even manage to survive in this World?

And it's misogynist btw.  If you're going to use the word, at least spell it correctly.  Although I doubt you even know the meaning of the word since you used it so frivolously.

[JamieCOTC]

JakeGamer1 wrote...


Point is, don't worry about what others think or do and play the game however you want!

You just won the interenet today.  

[incinerator950]

JamieCOTC wrote...

JakeGamer1 wrote...


Point is, don't worry about what others think or do and play the game however you want!

You just won the interenet today.  

That part of the post was the only reason why I didn't respond.  Unfortunately not everyone will respect it.

[Unbannable]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Defining Shepard (or Hawke, for that matter) would be a business mistake of astronomical proportions. According to the statistics that are being generously thrown about, customisation is one of Mass Effect's biggest selling points; axing it during the game's inception leaves you with a vaguely derivative protagonist in a vaguely derivative universe full of vaguely derivative characters. Even accepting the enormous assumption that the game would get a massive writing overhaul, what you are looking at is an entirely different game, and assuming that game would sell well is entirely speculation.

Getting rid of customization at this point would be foolish I agree.  I still think that the Mass Effect series would have been better if Commander Shepard would have been more defined though.

With the status quo, Commander Shepard is just another generic space marine.  Not a memorable character at all.

[ODST 3]

I play both male and female. I don't know where they got the statistics from, but if surveyed, I would have said I play as a male because that's my main/favorite/most relatable Shepard but my female Shepards are just as fun to play (and more fun to look at) so I say yes, it was certainly worth it.

Modifié par ODST 3, 06 février 2012 - 08:23 .

[leggywillow]

scyphozoa wrote...
Well let me be clear, I want a defined protagonist in a Bioware game for a multitude of reasons. Like I said above, devs being able to tailor every bit of the game to a single, defined protagonist is worth it to me. Not having to go by a last name like Hawke or Shep is just an added bonus.

Then you're probably playing the wrong games.  Why would you want something that has never been a prominent feature of Bioware games?  It seems like that'd be me playing Call of Duty and demanding they get rid of the pesky multiplayer.

[RubyRed1975]

Is it really so bad to be able to play a game as a strong woman really so bad? You do realize that even if they didn't include Fem-Shep you character would have still been called Shepard? Why? Because BioWare has always said that this was going to be Shepard's story. Just figured I'd throw that out there even if no one cares.
Is having FemShep in the game worth it? For me as a female gamer, yes she is definitely worth it!

[Zjarcal]

scyphozoa wrote...

Stop with the half-assed defined protagonist, either full-ass or no-ass.  

Miranda for future protagonist? 

And no, I don't actually want that, I'm just poking fun at your post.

[Sable Phoenix]

Somehow, the OP of this thread strikes me as nothing but a troll attempt.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Unbannable wrote...

Getting rid of customization at this point would be foolish I agree.  I still think that the Mass Effect series would have been better if Commander Shepard would have been more defined though.

With the status quo, Commander Shepard is just another generic space marine.  Not a memorable character at all.

And I don't think that cutting out customisation would have necessarily improved this at all, because Shepard's blandness is an issue of writing more than anything else. Much of ME has Shepard taking a passive role instead of an active one, and being reactive rather than proactive. It's down to character interaction; the series would have greatly benefited if it allowed the player options that made for a more competent Shepard (as a commander, this character sorely lacks this) that could volunteer information (personal or otherwise) and express emotions other than MAD!/DETERMINED!, instead of stumbling through the game like an FNG with a gun who never bothered to crack open a book and/or an extranet terminal. Most of ME1's more inspired conversations are the ones in which Shepard is allowed to talk about her/himself.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Well it's expensive writing the extra romances and I'm sure that Jen can set the price as high as she likes considering the resume.

This makes me laugh.

Jennifer Hale is a fine voice actress, sure, but she's not the be all end all VO goddess some people seem to see her as. There are other, talented women out there, like Grey DeLisle and Jo Wyatt.

Nor can she just pick any role she wants like Samuel L. Jackson AND collect a huge fat paycheck because companies roll out the red carpet for her. VO acting isn't that lucrative a business. Frankly, I think she's happy to be on board the ME project, most of her interviews indicate she finds it an honour, not something she takes for granted.

[Nu-Nu]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Somehow, the OP of this thread strikes me as nothing but a troll attempt.

He rings the doorbell, leaves a pile of burning dog poo then runs away cackling while watching others having to deal with the mess  

[Kilshrek]

scyphozoa wrote...

Lets get to the real reason of why a Bioware protagonist should be a defined character with a defined gender and name. Because this whole "last name" thing, Shepard and Hawke, is terrible. This isn't a sports team, people shouldn't be calling me by my last name. And I don't gain anything, not a single ounce of benefit or immersion from writing in my characters first name and then never using it again.

Stop with the half-assed defined protagonist, either full-ass or no-ass. I'd like a defined protagonist because it means the devs can better tailor the game, characters, dialog and story to that defined protagonist, rather than designing for an undefined protagonist.

The Vault Dweller, Chosen One, Living One, and Nameless One wave back at you from isometric RPG land.

Of course the nameless one was a sort of defined protagonist, but the others, from really fine RPGs had a fine custom character story.