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[Poison_Berrie]

Unbannable wrote...

In theory, you'd think that with Shepard you'd have more options and choices in how you roleplay the character.  But in practice, you actually have an inferior roleplaying experience with Shepard, as adversed to Geralt of Rivia because Geralt's level of characterization is much higher than Shepard's..

You are probably right (Witcher 1 & 2 are still on my humongous backlog), but that isn't linked to whether they have to account for one or two voice actors for the lead.
This comes down to how well the developers and writers handle the choices and characterizations.

[Bleachrude]

XDMMX wrote...

Perkocet13 wrote...

Does anyone else think the voice actor for the male shep is alittle monotone? I can't stand that guys voice acting, almost no emotion.

When people say this I always wonder if I am playing the same game as everyone else? I personally think Mark Meer does excellent work, his Renegade lines are especially awesome, he sounds like a hardened Marine, who has been through hell and back.

I thinkhe does a good Renegade shep but his paragon one is weak...Both Hale's renegade and paragon shep I find to have good voice acting...

But there's also Hale's normal interaction which I think she is more nuanced...A good example would be meeting Archangel and finding out is Garrus..

If you didn't recruit Garrus in ME1 (hard to believe, but some people didn't), both Hale and Meer's first words to Garrus are measured and even so to speak...however, if you did recruit Garrus in ME1, I find Femshep's response to Archangel/garrus much more lifelike than the somewhat monotone Meer's.

Same thing goes with Wrex. I find.

[jwalker]

This troll thread still going ? sheesh...

[tetrisblock4x1]

Thanks for the input jwalker. Got anything to contribute to the topic?

[DragonRageGT]

Does this topic contributes to anything?

I have over a couple dozen Shepards and at least 30% of them are females! Are you trying to prevent me from having 30% of my fun?

And I like the Voice Actors. I can think of some 100 games with much worse voices and not many with the same quality level.

Modifié par DragonRageGT, 07 février 2012 - 12:26 .

[El-Capitain]

All my Sheps have been female. The VA is better with the female and I prefer spending my game looking at my female creation rather than the male alternative!

[inversevideo]

El-Capitain wrote...

All my Sheps have been female. The VA is better with the female and I prefer spending my game looking at my female creation rather than the male alternative!

This

[abnocte]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Well it's expensive writing the extra romances and I'm sure that Jen can set the price as high as she likes considering the resume.

The statistics Bioware released a couple of years ago say that 80% played mark meer shep...

So this might be due to advertising or something, but they've had the whole trilogy to make it generally known tht there is a femshep so I don't know why they'd go 2 whole games without trying to sell it until the very late last minute attempt at a trailer for femshep that still hasn't been shown yet.

All Bioware games since BG have the option to play the PC as female.
All Bioware games since BG2 have romaces for either gender.
Since BG2, Bioware has expanded on romance options for female PC's making it equal to male PC's options.

Game after game, Bioware has expanded such feature. In the software industry, you don't expand on worthless features.

[sumoaltus]

I'm glad that we're given the option to choose our own path, let that be male or female however I can see where the OP is coming from.

Plus, I love Jennifer Hale, and she does some amazing voice work however, her Shepard just puts me to sleep. No offense to her voice acting in other titles though, it's amazing. (i.e. Naomi from the MGS series).

[JamieCOTC]

Mark Meer's Shepard has grown on me quite a bit, but I still prefer Hale. She does the "deep" stuff better. Therefore if you want a "deeper" character you should nix maleShep.  The character is more defined, the story is deeper and Hale can pull off the emotional stuff much better.  IMHO.

Not everyone's going to agree w/ that statement and that's fine. Lucky thing we have two of them.

[Sharizah]

Yes! I, as a female player, love playing femshep and would surely not be happy about being forced to play maleshep (i can't stand the voice actor either).

So I would never have become a fan of mass effect without femshep.

Modifié par Sharizah, 07 février 2012 - 01:54 .

[BiggBno]

Let's look at those statistics again.

80% played as male shep.
That means that 20% did not create a single male shepard, and only played as a female. So, 20 % of all revenue is because they made a female option.

I'll say that confirms that it was a sound businessmove from BioWare,
Whether or not it contributes to the game or not, is a purely subjective matter.

[Altie]

Stardusk78 wrote...

What I find funny is all the women who love that Femshep is strong, nonsexualised and treated equally when, yes, that's true but very few of them would ever want that to be a realty for women in the present. I doubt many women would want to be conscripted, sent off to war, have their family court privileges taken away from them, their special women's help centres and so on. So, yes Femsehp is the true indepedent woman but that is only a nondesireable fantasy for most women in reality.

It's so sad to see such a highly misogynic post...

Search on google : 15% of the soldiers in occidental countries are women. Stll a minority, of course, but for from being negligible !

You're playing a war hero. Do you want to enter the military and become a war hero IRL yourself ? Your argument is absurd !
And what provileges are you talking about ? do you really think women are priviliged in our modern societies ?


I am a woman. I sure don't want to go to war, but I am used to male-oriented jobs : I have a PhD in physics, and you don't find many women in research in physics.
I am lucky : I have responsabilities at work, and my male colleagues respect my professional abilities. But I am mad when I see all those fictional heroines, especially in video games, who are oversexualized bimbos. Objects for male fantasies, and not real, respectable and able characters. We women are real persons, not fantasms !

That is why I absolutely love femshep : she embodies all the qualities that I would dream to have, she is extremely charismatic without being oversexualized, and everybody in the game respect and trust her (and Kaidan is perfect for her, but that's another subject). She is strong, is never a "damzel in distress"... I short she is not the eternal cliché of a female heroine.

I would never have played mass effect if not for femshep.

Modifié par Altie, 07 février 2012 - 03:16 .

[Altie]

oooops

Modifié par Altie, 07 février 2012 - 03:14 .

[rapscallioness]

Unbannable wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

@Unbannable: I'm glad you're not making the game.

Having the character so set and defined was One of the things DA2 fans raged about.

Besides which, male and female shepard have the same friggin' lines. You're customizing your character, but it's the same character. It's like you're saying because someone's Shepard has brown hair instead of blonde hair, it's impeded their character development. No.

So you're comparing the choice of gender to the choice of having brown or blonde hair? 

Gender (or sex to be more accurate) is a bit more involved I would think. 

I understand what you're trying to get at. I just think it's a bad idea.

How is it a bad idea?  All of the most famous and popular video game characters have defined attributes.  Thats a large part of what makes a character memorable and unique.

The Baldurs Gate series was critically acclaimed, but no one remembers who the bhaal spawn was.  Why?  Because the bhaal spawn was an open ended character with no defined attributes.

Jon Irenicus, the antagonist, is much more memorable than the hero/heroine.

First off, you're right. You did not say Hale was an emotional windbag. I jumped to conclusions on that. Basically because it reminded me of how many times she is slapped with that label. And don't see that emotionalism in her portrayal of Shepard. But you didn't say that.


As for everything else, I completely disagree. You want to take one of the big rpg elements out of the rpg game.

And yes, I'm comparing the gender choice to the hair choice because what you don't seem to understand is that Shepard in ME , regardless of gender choice, is the Same character. The lack of charcater development has absolutely nothing to do with the players customization options.

Nothing.

And yes, it is a bad idea for BW/ME games. You want a different type of game.

Should BW have fleshed out the character of Shepard more...starting from ME1? Yes. Is the lack of charcater development because of customization options? No.

Now you're jumping to conclusions trying to link those two things as cause and effect. One has nothing to do with the other.

[andy6915]

Altie wrote...
And what provileges are you talking about ? do you really think women are priviliged in our modern societies ?

Before I say anything, I greatly disagree with who you quoted. Anyway, they do get some privileges. For instance, women win child custody cases far, far more then men do, even in the cases the father is clearly better for the child. I'm not quite sure what reasons there are, but this is a documented fact. If you're a mother, you are much more likely to win costody just on the basis that you're female. On top of that, women who don't win custody are much less likely to have to pay child support, and even if they do end up having to provide child support, it's usually significantly less then what males have to pay for it.

I know, nothing to do with Mass Effect, but women do have some unfair advantages about certain things.

[Altie]

andy69156915 wrote...

Altie wrote...
And what provileges are you talking about ? do you really think women are priviliged in our modern societies ?

Before I say anything, I greatly disagree with who you quoted. Anyway, they do get some privileges. For instance, women win child custody cases far, far more then men do, even in the cases the father is clearly better for the child. I'm not quite sure what reasons there are, but this is a documented fact. If you're a mother, you are much more likely to win costody just on the basis that you're female. On top of that, women who don't win custody are much less likely to have to pay child support, and even if they do end up having to provide child support, it's usually significantly less then what males have to pay for it.

I know, nothing to do with Mass Effect, but women do have some unfair advantages about certain things.

Ah, those "privileges" !
Yes, they exist. And yes, it is unfair.
I have children but I don't consider I have more rights towards them than my husband. We were two to make them (the best part :innocent:), and we're two to raise them.
But again, both of us have full-time jobs with almost the same salary. It helps to feel equals.

[Stardusk78]

Altie wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

What I find funny is all the women who love that Femshep is strong, nonsexualised and treated equally when, yes, that's true but very few of them would ever want that to be a realty for women in the present. I doubt many women would want to be conscripted, sent off to war, have their family court privileges taken away from them, their special women's help centres and so on. So, yes Femsehp is the true indepedent woman but that is only a nondesireable fantasy for most women in reality.

It's so sad to see such a highly misogynic post...

Search on google : 15% of the soldiers in occidental countries are women. Stll a minority, of course, but for from being negligible !

You're playing a war hero. Do you want to enter the military and become a war hero IRL yourself ? Your argument is absurd !
And what provileges are you talking about ? do you really think women are priviliged in our modern societies ?


I am a woman. I sure don't want to go to war, but I am used to male-oriented jobs : I have a PhD in physics, and you don't find many women in research in physics.
I am lucky : I have responsabilities at work, and my male colleagues respect my professional abilities. But I am mad when I see all those fictional heroines, especially in video games, who are oversexualized bimbos. Objects for male fantasies, and not real, respectable and able characters. We women are real persons, not fantasms !

That is why I absolutely love femshep : she embodies all the qualities that I would dream to have, she is extremely charismatic without being oversexualized, and everybody in the game respect and trust her (and Kaidan is perfect for her, but that's another subject). She is strong, is never a "damzel in distress"... I short she is not the eternal cliché of a female heroine.

I would never have played mass effect if not for femshep.

I agree. You don't find many women in research physics. I wonder why. It must be because they are oppressed.

[Stardusk78]

andy69156915 wrote...

Altie wrote...
And what provileges are you talking about ? do you really think women are priviliged in our modern societies ?

Before I say anything, I greatly disagree with who you quoted. Anyway, they do get some privileges. For instance, women win child custody cases far, far more then men do, even in the cases the father is clearly better for the child. I'm not quite sure what reasons there are, but this is a documented fact. If you're a mother, you are much more likely to win costody just on the basis that you're female. On top of that, women who don't win custody are much less likely to have to pay child support, and even if they do end up having to provide child support, it's usually significantly less then what males have to pay for it.

I know, nothing to do with Mass Effect, but women do have some unfair advantages about certain things.

This is because society, which is based upon our basic biological urges and instincts, does everything to shelter, protect and help women. Women have always been the limiting factor in reproduction and hence are 'inherently' more valuable to society at large. Men on the other hand are expandable, you know 'women and children first' and all that jazz, work-horses and so on.There is a growing awareness of men but it is very slow to catch on and thus female privilege continues to dominate. For example domestic abuse actually shows approximate statistical symmetry between the sexes but if you were only listen to the media (which many do) men are allegedly always the purpertrators. In fact lesbian relationships are THE most violent. Likewise with child abuse and so and so on. Have a look at the television and see how often men are portrayed as buffoons, idiots, useless and the like. There are biological reasons for this but for the past few decades it has run amok.

[Stardusk78]

Altie wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

Altie wrote...
And what provileges are you talking about ? do you really think women are priviliged in our modern societies ?

Before I say anything, I greatly disagree with who you quoted. Anyway, they do get some privileges. For instance, women win child custody cases far, far more then men do, even in the cases the father is clearly better for the child. I'm not quite sure what reasons there are, but this is a documented fact. If you're a mother, you are much more likely to win costody just on the basis that you're female. On top of that, women who don't win custody are much less likely to have to pay child support, and even if they do end up having to provide child support, it's usually significantly less then what males have to pay for it.

I know, nothing to do with Mass Effect, but women do have some unfair advantages about certain things.

Ah, those "privileges" !
Yes, they exist. And yes, it is unfair.
I have children but I don't consider I have more rights towards them than my husband. We were two to make them (the best part :innocent:), and we're two to raise them.
But again, both of us have full-time jobs with almost the same salary. It helps to feel equals.

One day, should you divorce your husband (approximate 50% chance with over 80% of divorce initiations begun by women) you will have more rights than your husband and I am sure you will be grateful for them.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

The PLC wrote...

frustratemyself wrote...

 BLASPHEMY OP!!!!!

Out of around 10 playthroughs there has been no Sheploo for me, Fem Shep all the way.

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but; You're in the minority.

As a man I have played both Mas Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 about 25 times each. 3 Male Shepards and 22 female Shepards. After my third playthrough with male Shepard in ME2 I made a promince to myself never again, I just can't enjoy the male Shepard.

I play female characters almost in every game that I have the option, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fable 2, Fable 3, Jade Empire, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1, Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age II just to name a few. If I want to play as a male character then I will play any number of games where the hero is a male and there is no gender chose. 

As far as being in the minority it's not the first time that I've been in one and it won't be the last.  

[CountSnackula]

I do not like Hale's Shepard voice, at all.
To me, it comes across as...forced, whereas Meer's comes across as generally relaxed, but capable of sounding truly pissed. More natural, overall.

[Siegdrifa]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Altie wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

Altie wrote...
And what provileges are you talking about ? do you really think women are priviliged in our modern societies ?

Before I say anything, I greatly disagree with who you quoted. Anyway, they do get some privileges. For instance, women win child custody cases far, far more then men do, even in the cases the father is clearly better for the child. I'm not quite sure what reasons there are, but this is a documented fact. If you're a mother, you are much more likely to win costody just on the basis that you're female. On top of that, women who don't win custody are much less likely to have to pay child support, and even if they do end up having to provide child support, it's usually significantly less then what males have to pay for it.

I know, nothing to do with Mass Effect, but women do have some unfair advantages about certain things.

Ah, those "privileges" !
Yes, they exist. And yes, it is unfair.
I have children but I don't consider I have more rights towards them than my husband. We were two to make them (the best part :innocent:), and we're two to raise them.
But again, both of us have full-time jobs with almost the same salary. It helps to feel equals.

One day, should you divorce your husband (approximate 50% chance with over 80% of divorce initiations begun by women) you will have more rights than your husband and I am sure you will be grateful for them.

You hear that Altie ?
We take the cake but we let you the cherry, that's fair ...

From an article Jennifer Hale think that if FemShep is this low minority, it is because of how woman are represented in our society.
But i'm not sure i would agree with her all the way on that, like some poster pointed earlier, ME1 as been sold as a mal soldier saving the galaxy, even from test and tv show about video game, it was a mal heroes, none stated that there was gender choice.
This is what stoped me from buyng the game back then, because i hate the look of bald character military type... but sill it's a Bioware game... then SECUrom... okay pass.

Some game with feminin character are really popular and sold million, so, i think if ME was sold with both manshep and femshep artwork, the femshep would have increased their number, even if i honestly don't belive she could catch up with manshep, but i don't care.

It's not a popularity contest to me, it is about how the game let me to play the way i like, quantity >< quality.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 07 février 2012 - 05:17 .

[Unbannable]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

To the OP: Yes, those FemShep numbers of BW were controversial. If you look at my poll then you see something different. No doubt most people have created a MaleShep, but that does not mean it is their favorite character. A lot of people like me have created a MaleShep, but actually play a FemShep more often. BW's 80% figure was vague, because motivation and the actual measurement conditions were left out. For a comparison click the link of the poll in my sig. There FemShep is more popular, even though most people played a MaleShep as well. The results surprised me.

You and that silly poll.  Do you honestly believe that poll of yours is representative of the entirety of the people that bought and played Mass Effect?

The people like you that made several Shepards are in the low minority.  Most people made only one Shepard, and beat the game only once, if at all.

[Unbannable]

rapscallioness wrote...

And yes, I'm comparing the gender choice to the hair choice because what you don't seem to understand is that Shepard in ME , regardless of gender choice, is the Same character. The lack of charcater development has absolutely nothing to do with the players customization options.

And what you don't seem to understand, is that a man isn't merely a bigger version of a woman, and a woman isn't merely a smaller version of a man.

I find it strange that so many people whinge and moan about more roleplaying options (the fight for the love crowd for instance), yet they are perfectly happy to roleplay FemShep exactly the same as MaleShep, and vice versa.

As if there were no notable differences between a man and a woman.   

I guess I'm not progressive enough to suspend my disbelief or something..